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Westerfield GN 9000 Series Box Car
James L. Jeffery
Does anyone have under frame details for these GN cars. I am working on a kit but the instructions are so fuzzy I can't tell how the under frame ribs and brake rigging are assembled.
Thanks for any help, Jim Jeffery
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Hi Eric,
I see Pullman Standard, but not Pressed Steel Car. Am I
missing something?
Thanks,
Steve Hile
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:47 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library
The Pennsylvania State Archives seems to have some PSC archives.
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg393.htm
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
No. We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.
The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.
I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.
Steve Hile IRM volunteer
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Does the
Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Eric Hansmann
The Pennsylvania State Archives seems to have some PSC archives.
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/mg/mg393.htm
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
No. We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd drawings.
The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.
I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car drawings.
Steve Hile IRM volunteer
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Does the
Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
No. We have Pullman, Standard Steel Car and Budd
drawings.
The Museum of Transportation in St. Louis does have a good
collection of ACF drawings and the Barriger Library at UMSL has ACF documents
and photos, many of which they have shared on Flickr.
I don't know of a source for Pressed Steel Car
drawings.
Steve Hile
IRM volunteer
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:10 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car
drawings?
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Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars
Eric Hansmann
Rob,
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 16 has a few good images of these prototypes on page 24 & 25. Drawings are on pages 8 & 9.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From:
STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
LOL – well, because I am building to O scale.
Rob
From: STMFC@...
[mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 4:08 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars
Bill Welch
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
Tony Thompson
Bruce Smith wrote:
Now that sounds like a tasty idea . . . Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
Bruce, since this group prides itself on accuracy, I'd like to note that Pilsner beer comes for Pilsen. Pilsen is in Bohemia, not Bavaria. One wouldn't want to have the wrong paperwork...;)
Otto Kroutil
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Tony Thompson
Oh, c'mon, Alex. I have been to lots of archives and libraries with rare materials, and of course there is vigilance against theft, and there should be. But how about a little common sense here? One rare book library I visited allowed you to examine one book at a time. Turn it back, and you get your next request. I have worked in archives that had photo prints in folders, and you had to go through them under the eye of a librarian, and in one place, the number of prints was noted on the outside of the folder. Easy to count. I know Ted Anderson a little and he seems a reasonable guy. But in my view, Dave Nelson's experience is out of bounds. II would call it a black mark on the Pullman library. Just my two centavos. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Scott
Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?
Scott McDonald
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Fred Jansz
Being over the pond and a few miles away, I also have excellent experiences with IRM/Pullman Libary. Very helpfull and understanding people who sent me everything I needed for my WP model projects.
Fred Jansz, The Netherlands
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
Well, since I inadvertently sent this email to the list, let me point out that anyone with interest in this program can check it out at http://humsci.auburn.edu/brewing/ Unfortunately, it will not help
you research, build or weather steam era freight cars, but it will train you to be a professional craft brewer, so if you’re looking for a career change to help pay for all those steam era freight car models, check out our program at Auburn!
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And of course, all of this reminds me to get to work on a presentation for Cocoa Beach 2019 on breweries and related Steam Era Freight Car traffic…
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith, Auburn Al
P.S. Does saying “Steam Era Freight Cars” 3 times get me off the hook for a wildly off-topic post? Please? How about if I provide the moderators with beer (oh wait, I already do!)
P.P.S. Being faculty in a brewing science program is hard work, but somebody’s got to do it! ;)
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
pennsylvania1954
I thought maybe there was coming up a discussion on DSDX (Schlitz)
and SLRX (Bud) beer cars.
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Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
On 01/26/2018 09:18 AM, 'Bruce F.
Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] wrote:
oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
Wowzer Bruce, I almost sent my application to Auburn for this party, I mean class ;>)
On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 10:18 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: 2018 U.S. Open College Beer Championship
oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??
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Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Alexander Schneider Jr
Dave, I see several reasons why your approach didn’t work.
First, you seem to be confusing a PUBLIC LIBRARY with the Pullman Library. You pay taxes to support your local public library, which they use to employ a staff, fund a building, and acquire books and magazines for the use of the library district’s residents. Most of the materials are “in print”, and many will be in demand for only a limited period. The Pullman Library has no taxpayer support. It is supported by donations and by the fees paid for copies of the drawings and photos in its collections. Its staff is volunteers who wish to see the materials preserved and made available to present and future railfans, car preservation projects, and modelers. The materials in its collection are either donated or on long term loan from the successor companies to Pullman and Budd, and in the latter case are subject to the terms of the loan agreement. If lost they cannot be replaced. Second, the volunteers at the Pullman Library come in on Wednesday. Some of them also volunteer in other roles at the Illinois Railway Museum on other days of the week. On Wednesdays there are always a number of projects under way, including filling drawing orders from the queue. The process to fill an order includes identifying the needed drawing, determining if it has been scanned, retrieving the tracing and scanning it if that has not been done previously, and burning a disk with the image. There are seldom extra volunteers to escort visitors into the storage areas to browse drawings and determine whether a drawing meets their needs. Unlike your public library, most research libraries do not have open stacks, and the Pullman Library does not have a reading room. Visitors MAY be allowed by appointment, and certainly should not drop in unexpectedly. Naturally, visitors with a “track record” of giving back to the railfan community through writing publications or marketing models seem most worthy of such a diversion of resources. Third, because much of the collection of the Pullman Library is held on loan from the carbuilding companies, any copies distributed must be for a specific purpose and a license for that use must be signed by the recipient. Model building and car restoration are probably the most common purpose. There have been some requests for drawings to support litigation, and those require clearance from the legal department of the carbuilder. Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies is part of the “cost of admission”. People who feel the rules don’t apply to them do arouse suspicion. Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good condition. Preservation of the information contained argues toward use of scans, not the original tracings, to minimize handling. It is also important to immediately return them to the correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing could be lost for decades. Most buyers of information for a particular lot of cars start by purchasing a copy of the applicable drawing list, which is part of the specification for the lot. Naturally floor plans or general arrangement drawings are in much more demand than details of individual parts, if you are model building. If you are restoring a car the opposite may be true. In almost all cases an estimate is sent and payment is expected before the work is started. The fees received pay for equipment and supplies used to prepare the drawings and for general operating costs of the library. I am one of the Wednesday volunteers and I drive 50 miles, paying several tolls, to come help. I also contribute financially as my retirement income allows. Others drive farther and pay more. We have other options for our time and money. But we hope our efforts preserve the information contained in these drawings for the benefit of those who appreciate them. Alex Schneider From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 2:22 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library I had a COMPLETELY different experience. A number of years ago I had to jump thru hoops to convince Ted Anderson that my project was worthy of their attention and when I said I wanted to see the 1914 drawings in person before buying (as really old stuff is often poorly dimensioned) it was implied rather directly they suspected I want to steal the drawings. After multiple rounds of explaining to Bob Webber what and why I wanted to see the drawings he agreed it would be fine and sent me a license contract to sign, which I did. I figured Ted’s reservations seemed to have been set aside so I flew out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend for them and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time) In the reply I was told by Ted that he still had doubts that my project was worthy of their attention and the only reason he could figure why anyone wanted to see the drawings beforehand was to steal them and that perhaps the right thing to do was for me to start the whole process of convincing them over again but absent that it was a no-go. I told him in rather un-polite terms he could shove their drawings where the sun doesn’t shine and even tho I am still interested in purchasing drawings for at least a half dozen cars I’ll not do business w/ IRM so long as Ted Anderson had anything to do with the library. Dave Nelson From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC@...> [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:01 AM To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library Ted was very helpful to me in obtaining a drawing for a C&O HS project years ago just after they moved in. Al Kresse On January 25, 2018 at 9:48 AM "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... <mailto:mike_schleigh@...> [STMFC]" <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC@...> > wrote: Over this past weekend, Group---- I received three sets of car builder drawing copies from the Pullman Library at the Illinois Railroad Museum. I had begun discussing these cars with Ted Anderson on Saturday afternoon late in October while attending the ChicagoLand RPM at Lisle. Ted recommended the best course of action to follow and I began it a couple of weeks after returning home. A couple of emails and one phone call later, my desires were identified, quoted, and soon paid for, just ahead of the Christmas season. I could not be more pleased with what I received and with the superb help I received from Ted and Bob Webber at the Library. If any of you are possibly! considering seeking help there, do not hesitate. Get on with it; the process was very easy as long as you provide the basic information the Library needs, i. e., car description including railroad and number series when purchased and date and place of construction. Do not get into the weeds with what you seek, just those facts of the construction. The Library is a phenomenal resource for research on our prototypes. If they have it, you will likely be pleased with it. Since it has not been otherwise noted, I trust that I will be forgiven for the following. I will take the lead to say that Ted Anderson informed me that he would be retiring at the end of 2017 and, with that, no longer be the chief contact and curator at the Library. I hope he will not become a stranger there or attending our gatherings such as the RPM meets. We owe him a debt of gratitude and I suspect I am one of many researchers who have been thrilled with the information Ted has helped find and provide for our dreams and desires. Thank you Ted! Mr. Bob Webber has assumed the curator role and Ted as assumed an "emeritus" title. From Western Penna, at Grove City----Mike Schleigh
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Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds
destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <benjaminscanlon@...> wrote : However, Martin Lofton's categorisation of some rebuilds as 'AAR design' made me think that some earlier 'extended height' category rebuilds maybe differed from AAR dimensions. Cheers, Ben Scanlon =================== Which would be correct. The early Youngstown Steel Door Co. pre-fab car sides offered no increase in height, the sheathing pattern differed from the AAR design, and were intended to use the existing roof components. The last iteration of the design essentially supplied an AAR standard body modified to adapt it to a narrower underframe. Dennis Storzek
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Re: More reefers
destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote : 2 tons chicken, 1,800 gallons beer... Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org ======================= Note to wife: Decrease chicken, increase beer :-) Dennis Storzek
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Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds
Benjamin Scanlon
Dear Jack, thanks for the correction All very helpful and I thank you
I'd assumed the railroads would, if it were possible, rebuild their cars to conform to designs and practices in vogue at the time. However, Martin Lofton's categorisation of some rebuilds as 'AAR design' made me think that some earlier 'extended height' category rebuilds maybe differed from AAR dimensions. Cheers, Ben Scanlon
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Re: Services of the Pullman Library
Dave Nelson
I had a COMPLETELY different experience. A number of years ago I had to jump thru hoops to convince Ted Anderson that my project was worthy of their attention and when I said I wanted to see the 1914 drawings in person before buying (as really old stuff is often poorly dimensioned) it was implied rather directly they suspected I want to steal the drawings. After multiple rounds of explaining to Bob Webber what and why I wanted to see the drawings he agreed it would be fine and sent me a license contract to sign, which I did. I figured Ted’s reservations seemed to have been set aside so I flew out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend for them and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time) In the reply I was told by Ted that he still had doubts that my project was worthy of their attention and the only reason he could figure why anyone wanted to see the drawings beforehand was to steal them and that perhaps the right thing to do was for me to start the whole process of convincing them over again but absent that it was a no-go.
I told him in rather un-polite terms he could shove their drawings where the sun doesn’t shine and even tho I am still interested in purchasing drawings for at least a half dozen cars I’ll not do business w/ IRM so long as Ted Anderson had anything to do with the library.
Dave Nelson
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:01 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Services of the Pullman Library
Ted was very helpful to me in obtaining a drawing for a C&O HS project years ago just after they moved in.
Al Kresse
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Re: More reefers
Brad Andonian
You are way too low on the wine...
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On Thursday, January 25, 2018, 9:43 PM, 'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
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