The Pennsylvania state archives has the following Pressed Steel Car records

Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Descriptive Record of Renumbered Cumberland Valley RR Freight Equipment, 1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/284
Lines East Age Books (MP 308), circa 1900-1917 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/313
Original Desc. Book Rec. of Western NY and PA. RWY Freight Cars, 1900-1901 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/322
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336

The following Standard Car records

Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Classification and Ownership Books of Freight Cars (MP 13), 1929-1972 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/272
Freight Equipment Construction and Repair Record of the Terre Haute and Indianapolis Railway Company, 1890-1898MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/302
Lines West Historical Books: Freight Car Equipment, 1900-1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/314
Passenger Car Record Books: Lines East, circa 1895-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/323
Passenger Car Record Books: Lines West, circa 1895-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/324
Record of Classification of Passenger Cars [Steel Cars], undated MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/332
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336
Record of New Equipment by Yearly Program Years, 1898-1915 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/339
Record of Rolling Stock of the Terre Haute and Peoria RR, 1890-1896 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/342
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  New York Central Railroad  Secretary
Railway Accounting Rules Publications by the Accounting Division of the AARR, 1948, 1951-1953 MG/286/ENYC/DSEC/444
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Administrative Records
Bureau of Plant Engineering Correspondence, 1925-1926 MG/393/AADM/1
Newspaper Clippings, 1902 MG/393/AADM/6
Patents, 1902-1931 MG/393/AADM/7
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Personnel Records
Index to Short Term Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1909-1914 MG/393/BPER/10
Index to Short Term Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1916-1918 MG/393/BPER/11
Official Personnel Files of Employees Laid Off, 1948-1982, bulk 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/12
Official Personnel Files of Employees Terminated, 1948-1982, bulk: 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/13
Index to Employee Records not held by State Archives, 1909-1937 MG/393/BPER/9
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Publicity Records
Pullman-Standard Carbuilder Magazine, 1940-1949, 1951-1952, 1954-1956, 1958-1971, 1973-1976 MG/393/CPUB/17
Pullman-Standard Management Newsletter, 1960-1962 MG/393/CPUB/18
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Drawings and Specifications
Center Construction and Underframe General Drawings, 1903-1928 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/27
Chinese Government Railway Specifications, Drawings, and Procedures, 1903 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/28
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Freight Car Export Proposal Drawings, 1908-1948 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/35
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Wheel Drawings, 1902-1926 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/36
Miscellaneous Car General Arrangement Drawings, 1903-1957 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/41
Tank Car General Drawings, 1903-1929 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/45
Tracings, 1903-1953 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/46
 Results Found Within Box List
United States Railway Administration Freight Car Standard Design Drawings, 1919-1921 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/51
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Industry Trade Association Standards
Drawings of the Standards and Recommended Practices of the Master Car Builders Association, 1918 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/52
Manual of Standard and Recommended Practice of the Association of American Railroads, 1942-1946 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/54
Supplement to the Manual of the American Railway Association, 1930 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/56
Supplement to the Manual of the Association of American Railroads, 1939, 1941, 1946, 1947 MG/393/DTEC/BITA/57
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Order Tracking Registers, Indexes, Parts Specifications
Index Sheets for Cars Built by the Middletown and Pullman-Standard Car Export Company, 1904-1938, bulk: 1915-1930MG/393/DTEC/CORD/59
Manuscript Groups  Robert P. Casey Collection, 1940-2000
Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Files, 1992-1996 MG/406/1
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Baldwin-Hamilton Company Records, ca. 1834-1962  Engineering Department
Card Record Books, 1910-1912, 1914-1941 MG/427/AENG/11
Alphabetical Parts Card File Relating to United States Government Standard Sheets (U.S.R.A.), undated MG/427/AENG/5
Sales Order Books, 1942-1950 MG/427/AENG/51
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Governor Robert P. Casey, 1987-1995
Health Care Reform File, 1992-1994 RG/010/AGBB/141
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency
Minutes of the Juvenile Court Judges' Commission, 1982-2003 RG/010/PCCD/120
Record Groups  Department of Health  Bureau of Quality Assurance
Long Term Care Facilities History File, 1975, 1978-1981 RG/011/TBQA/32
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Individual Historic Properties (1930-present)  Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania
Administrative Files of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, 1963-2009 RG/013/QIHP/VRRM/328
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Department of Public Instruction (1905-1945)  Pennsylvania State Library and Museums (1905-1945)
Minutes of the Advisory Commission, 1903, 1909-1912, 1918 RG/013/RDPI/BPLM/80
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Department of Public Instruction (1905-1945)  General Library
General Correspondence of the Custodian, 1904-1910 RG/013/RDPI/CGNL/78
Record Groups  Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission  Pennsylvania Historical Commission (1913-1945)  General
Administrative and Correspondence Files of the State Historian and Staff Historians, 1937-1945 RG/013/SPHC/AGEN/98
Record Groups  Department of Justice  Western State Penitentiary  Prison Population Records
Prison Population Records: Inmate Cards of Escaped Convicts from Other State Prisons, circa 1911-1957 RG/015/MM/B/145
Record Groups  Department of Labor and Industry  Office of Employment Security
Manual of Operation and Procedure, circa 1940s-2001 RG/016/MM/91
Record Groups  Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs  Surgeon General
Reports of Examination of Candidates for Appointment as Medical Officers, 1861-1865 RG/019/JSNG/174
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Office of the Deputy Secretary for Mental Health
Report of the 1971 SCOPE V Survey of Patient Care Personnel at the Pennsylvania Institutions for the Mentally Disabled, 1971RG/023/AMEH/AABB/881
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Torrance State Hospital
Out Patient Clinic Card File, 1933-1959 RG/023/AMEH/TORR/637
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Office of Mental Health  Woodville State Hospital
Meeting Minutes of the Executive Council, 1988-1991 RG/023/AMEH/WOOD/328
Record Groups  Department of Human Services (previously Department of Public Welfare)  Bureau of Social Services
Rape Crisis Program Files, 1990-1998 RG/023/BSSE/468
 Results Found Within Box List
The following Pullman records



Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Comptroller  General Records
General Correspondence Files, 1924-1964 MG/286/APRR/ACOM/AGEN/10
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  President Thomson, Frank (1897-1899), Cassat, A.J. (1899-1906) and McCrea, James (1907-1913)
Subject Index to Presidential Corr. of F. Thomson and A.J. Cassat, 1893-1903 MG/286/APRR/BPRE/BTCM/42
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  President Rea, Samuel (1913-1925)
Presidential Correspondence of Samuel Rea, 1913-1925 MG/286/APRR/BPRE/CSAR/47
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Operation  Chief of Motive Power
Correspondence and Statements, 1915-1950 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/279
Cost of New Cars Record, circa 1890-1900 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/282
Detail of Pullman Bills for Repairs, 1938 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/286
Historical Record Forms for New Freight Cars (IT 210), 1919-1920 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/309
Pullman Files, 1930-1969 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/325
Record of Freight Equipment: Terre Haute and Indianapolis RR, circa 1900-1907 MG/286/APRR/JVPO/ECMP/336
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Traffic  General Passenger Traffic Manager, Manager of Passenger Sales
Pullman Company Advisory Committee Records, 1962-1969 MG/286/APRR/PVPT/BGPT/406
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  The Pennsylvania Railroad Company  Vice President of Traffic  Freight Traffic Manager
Record Books, 1887-1898, 1936, 1939-1940, 1943-1959 MG/286/APRR/PVPT/EFTM/411
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Penn Central Railroad Collection, ca. 1835-1968  Pennsylvania Railroad Subsidiary Lines  PullmanCompany
Equipment Register for Pullman Parlor Cars, circa 1910-1945 MG/286/KPRR/JKPC/1268
Equipment Register for Pullman Sleeping Cars, circa 1910-1948 MG/286/KPRR/JKPC/1269
Manuscript Groups  Milton J. Shapp Papers, ca. 1971-1979
General File, 1971-1979 MG/309/9
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Personnel Records
Official Personnel Files of Employees Laid Off, 1948-1982, bulk 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/12
Official Personnel Files of Employees Terminated, 1948-1982, bulk: 1950-1982 MG/393/BPER/13
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Publicity Records
Pullman-Standard Postscript Newspaper, 1943-1946, 1948-1950 MG/393/CPUB/16
Pullman-Standard Carbuilder Magazine, 1940-1949, 1951-1952, 1954-1956, 1958-1971, 1973-1976 MG/393/CPUB/17
Pullman-Standard Management Newsletter, 1960-1962 MG/393/CPUB/18
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Drawings and Specifications
Middletown and Standard Steel Car Company Freight Car Export Proposal Drawings, 1908-1948 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/35
Tracings, 1903-1953 MG/393/DTEC/ADAS/46
 Results Found Within Box List
Manuscript Groups  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company of Butler, Pennsylvania Records, ca. 1902-1982 Technical Records  Order Tracking Registers, Indexes, Parts Specifications
Index Sheets for Cars Built by the Middletown and Pullman-Standard Car Export Company, 1904-1938, bulk: 1915-1930MG/393/DTEC/CORD/59
Record Groups  Office of the Governor  Governor Robert P. Casey, 1987-1995
Governor's Events File, 1987-1995 RG/010/AGBB/136
 Results Found Within Box List
Commissions File, 1990-1994 RG/010/AGBB/134
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Department of Education  Commonwealth Libraries
Lantern Slide Section Glass Lantern Slides, circa 1900-1950 RG/022/CLIB/161
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  Department of Commerce  Governor's Response Team
New Plant Prospect Files, 1972-1988 RG/031/O/53
Record Groups  Public Utility Commission  Bureau of Transportation
Annual Reports of Transportation Utilities for Large and Small Carriers, 1939-1969, 1972-1993 RG/037/C/5
 Results Found Within Box List
Record Groups  County Governments  Dauphin County  Prothonotary
Middletown Car and Manufacturing Company Assignee Account Record, 1874 RG/047/DAUP/PROT/83
Rich Orr

Rob,

Does anyone have under frame details for these GN cars. I am working on a kit but the instructions are so fuzzy I can't tell how the under frame ribs and brake rigging are assembled.

Thanks for any help,
Jim Jeffery

Bruce, since this group prides itself on accuracy, I'd like to note that Pilsner beer comes for Pilsen. Pilsen is in Bohemia, not Bavaria. One wouldn't want to have the wrong paperwork...;)
Otto Kroutil

Does the Pullman Library have AC&F or Pressed Steel Car drawings?

Scott McDonald

Being over the pond and a few miles away, I also have excellent experiences with IRM/Pullman Libary. Very helpfull and understanding people who sent me everything I needed for my WP model projects.
Fred Jansz, The Netherlands

Well, since I inadvertently sent this email to the list, let me point out that anyone with interest in this program can check it out at http://humsci.auburn.edu/brewing/  Unfortunately, it will not help you research, build or weather steam era freight cars, but it will train you to be a professional craft brewer, so if you’re looking for a career change to help pay for all those steam era freight car models, check out our program at Auburn!

I thought maybe there was coming up a discussion on DSDX (Schlitz) and SLRX (Bud) beer cars.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

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oops… wrong email… how the heck did that sneak in??

Dave, I see several reasons why your approach didn’t work.

First, you seem to be confusing a PUBLIC LIBRARY with the Pullman Library. You pay taxes to support your local public library, which they use to employ a staff, fund a building, and acquire books and magazines for the use of the library district’s residents. Most of the materials are “in print”, and many will be in demand for only a limited period. The Pullman Library has no taxpayer support. It is supported by donations and by the fees paid for copies of the drawings and photos in its collections. Its staff is volunteers who wish to see the materials preserved and made available to present and future railfans, car preservation projects, and modelers. The materials in its collection are either donated or on long term loan from the successor companies to Pullman and Budd, and in the latter case are subject to the terms of the loan agreement. If lost they cannot be replaced.

Second, the volunteers at the Pullman Library come in on Wednesday. Some of them also volunteer in other roles at the Illinois Railway Museum on other days of the week. On Wednesdays there are always a number of projects under way, including filling drawing orders from the queue. The process to fill an order includes identifying the needed drawing, determining if it has been scanned, retrieving the tracing and scanning it if that has not been done previously, and burning a disk with the image. There are seldom extra volunteers to escort visitors into the storage areas to browse drawings and determine whether a drawing meets their needs. Unlike your public library, most research libraries do not have open stacks, and the Pullman Library does not have a reading room. Visitors MAY be allowed by appointment, and certainly should not drop in unexpectedly. Naturally, visitors with a “track record” of giving back to the railfan community through writing publications or marketing models seem most worthy of such a diversion of resources.

Third, because much of the collection of the Pullman Library is held on loan from the carbuilding companies, any copies distributed must be for a specific purpose and a license for that use must be signed by the recipient. Model building and car restoration are probably the most common purpose. There have been some requests for drawings to support litigation, and those require clearance from the legal department of the carbuilder.

Fourth, all museums and libraries have to be vigilant against theft. Each has adopted policies to discourage theft, and abiding by such policies is part of the “cost of admission”. People who feel the rules don’t apply to them do arouse suspicion.

Fifth, many of the drawings are not in good condition. Preservation of the information contained argues toward use of scans, not the original tracings, to minimize handling. It is also important to immediately return them to the correct storage location, as a misfiled drawing could be lost for decades.

Most buyers of information for a particular lot of cars start by purchasing a copy of the applicable drawing list, which is part of the specification for the lot. Naturally floor plans or general arrangement drawings are in much more demand than details of individual parts, if you are model building. If you are restoring a car the opposite may be true. In almost all cases an estimate is sent and payment is expected before the work is started. The fees received pay for equipment and supplies used to prepare the drawings and for general operating costs of the library.

I am one of the Wednesday volunteers and I drive 50 miles, paying several tolls, to come help. I also contribute financially as my retirement income allows. Others drive farther and pay more. We have other options for our time and money. But we hope our efforts preserve the information contained in these drawings for the benefit of those who appreciate them.

Alex Schneider

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I had a COMPLETELY different experience. A number of years ago I had to jump thru hoops to convince Ted Anderson that my project was worthy of their attention and when I said I wanted to see the 1914 drawings in person before buying (as really old stuff is often poorly dimensioned) it was implied rather directly they suspected I want to steal the drawings. After multiple rounds of explaining to Bob Webber what and why I wanted to see the drawings he agreed it would be fine and sent me a license contract to sign, which I did. I figured Ted’s reservations seemed to have been set aside so I flew out to Chicago and dropped them another note asking when would be best to stop by (it was a busy weekend for them and so my question was intended to let them choose the best time) In the reply I was told by Ted that he still had doubts that my project was worthy of their attention and the only reason he could figure why anyone wanted to see the drawings beforehand was to steal them and that perhaps the right thing to do was for me to start the whole process of convincing them over again but absent that it was a no-go.

I told him in rather un-polite terms he could shove their drawings where the sun doesn’t shine and even tho I am still interested in purchasing drawings for at least a half dozen cars I’ll not do business w/ IRM so long as Ted Anderson had anything to do with the library.

Dave Nelson

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Ted was very helpful to me in obtaining a drawing for a C&O HS project years ago just after they moved in.

Al Kresse
On January 25, 2018 at 9:48 AM "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... <mailto:mike_schleigh@...> [STMFC]" <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC@...> > wrote:



Over this past weekend, Group----

I received three sets of car builder drawing copies from the Pullman Library at the Illinois Railroad Museum. I had begun discussing these cars with Ted Anderson on Saturday afternoon late in October while attending the ChicagoLand RPM at Lisle. Ted recommended the best course of action to follow and I began it a couple of weeks after returning home. A couple of emails and one phone call later, my desires were identified, quoted, and soon paid for, just ahead of the Christmas season. I could not be more pleased with what I received and with the superb help I received from Ted and Bob Webber at the Library. If any of you are possibly! considering seeking help there, do not hesitate. Get on with it; the process was very easy as long as you provide the basic information the Library needs, i. e., car description including railroad and number series when purchased and date and place of construction. Do not get into the weeds with what you seek, just those facts of the construction. The Library is a phenomenal resource for research on our prototypes. If they have it, you will likely be pleased with it.

Since it has not been otherwise noted, I trust that I will be forgiven for the following. I will take the lead to say that Ted Anderson informed me that he would be retiring at the end of 2017 and, with that, no longer be the chief contact and curator at the Library. I hope he will not become a stranger there or attending our gatherings such as the RPM meets. We owe him a debt of gratitude and I suspect I am one of many researchers who have been thrilled with the information Ted has helped find and provide for our dreams and desires. Thank you Ted!

Mr. Bob Webber has assumed the curator role and Ted as assumed an "emeritus" title.

From Western Penna, at Grove City----Mike Schleigh