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Re: B&O P11 flat

Eric Hansmann
 

Howard,

I followed details in the PRR flat car book for the Pennsy FM class as the B&O P-11 cars were built to that design. 

Lettering is a more difficult issue for these early B&O flats. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:15 PM, cascaderail@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Looking for as built information (1903-05) for the B&O P11 flatcars
Series 106000-106699.
Color, stake pocket style and lettering placement.

Working on the F&C kit.  I model the fall of 1905 and these cars would have been almost new then.

Howard Garner



Re: FEC 17001 ventilated cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Rob,

Do you have the RPCyc volume that covers the USRA double sheathed box cars?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On January 29, 2018 at 12:09 AM "Robert kirkham rdkirkham@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has forwarded drawings and photos of these cars.    Will remember to flag the parts once created.

 

If anyone has a close up of the end vent itself, that would make a difference, but at this point the rest of the part is coming along reasonably well.

 

Rob

 



 

 




Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Thanks Jeff.  I'm still waiting on whether I get accepted to the 'Shake n Take' Yahoo group, once I get to have a look there, I'll see if I've got enough information.  

Cheers, Ben Scanlon


Re: FGEX R7-class Refrigerator trucks

Dave Parker
 

Lester:

Bowser's trucks generally provide the best match to PRR trucks (IMO).  Their archbar is a dead ringer for the 2D-F1.  And their CSF truck (p/n 74277) is pretty close for the 2D-F8.

I am guessing those are viable choices for your project.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:03 PM, "frograbbit602@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I tried sending this post early this morning; however, since it is not posted as of late afternoon and I have had some problem with posts not appearing here after being sent before I am attempting this post again.
I am asking for help to put the correct trucks under the Westerfield Models R7-class FGEX refrigerator car I am building as I am not aware of correct PRR freight car trucks available.   Thank You for your time and effort to respond.
Lester Breuer




Re: resin allergy?

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <fred@...> wrote :

Hi guys. Last couple of weeks I've built 4 or 5 resin kits and since then I'm experiencing kind of flu-like symptoms like severe running nose, sneezing, irritated eyes, etc. I do not feel sick, but it's annoying and I'm afraid I've developed some kind of epoxy resin allergy. Maybe I should start wearing a mask and glasses while sanding resin. Any other experiences out there?
Fred Jansz
=======================
Don't blame epoxy unless you are using it for assembly, since none of today's resin kits are made of that material; almost all are polyurethane. I suppose a reaction to the isocyanate in the resin is possible, but I personally feel it's more likely a reaction to CA fumes. I had this problem years ago, the symptoms were similar to chemical pneumonia. It really put the crimp on my building resin kits. 

I still use CA for some industrial processes today, and just opening the cap in the tool shop will give me the beginnings of a bad reaction.

Dennis Storzek


 


Re: Dates for Script and Brush Dixieland on NC&StL box cars

John Barry
 

Thanks Bill,

Any dates for the lettering changes?
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 5:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Dates for Script and Brush Dixieland on NC&StL box cars

 
NC&StL cars tended to be an Oxide version of BCR. Be aware the NC&StL cars all had Hutchins roofs.

Bill Welch



Re: How Do You Store Your ACC?

Jack Mullen
 

I also have used Loctite brand CA for years. I haven't found it necessary to take special precautions, just carefully wipe any drips before recapping. Sometimes I've worked occasionally with one bottle over a span of year or so, when my modeling pace slacked off. The nozzle is the most clog-free I've found, and the cap evidently seals well. I've lived most of my life in the Midwest, so I can't claim an arid environment.

When I've packed for moving, I have tried to put the CA bottles in a sealed jar with dessicant, but that's really more for containment than preservation, I think.

YMMV, but I've had lousy results with the major hobby brands of CA.

Jack Mullen


B&O P11 flat

earlyrail
 

Looking for as built information (1903-05) for the B&O P11 flatcars
Series 106000-106699.
Color, stake pocket style and lettering placement.

Working on the F&C kit.  I model the fall of 1905 and these cars would have been almost new then.

Howard Garner



FGEX R7-class Refrigerator trucks

frograbbit602
 

I tried sending this post early this morning; however, since it is not posted as of late afternoon and I have had some problem with posts not appearing here after being sent before I am attempting this post again.

I am asking for help to put the correct trucks under the Westerfield Models R7-class FGEX refrigerator car I am building as I am not aware of correct PRR freight car trucks available.   Thank You for your time and effort to respond.

Lester Breuer



Re: Dry Flow Tank Cars ?

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

Dave Parker recently posted a note in part reading-----

".........
GATX 31096-31099 have a footnote indicating they were for use with "Dry Arsenic" (I have no idea as to what chemical form).  Cars 33021-33026 were apparently general use; the footnote indicates "Dry Flow Automatic".  Car 33049 (1680 cu ft) was designated as a "Wet-Flo tank", which I would guess means it carried some kind of slurry.

I don't have the 1955 tariff, but several folks on this list do.  They should be able to look up the comparable information for that time-frame, which coincides with Jim's original query."

I did look for these GATX cars in the 1955 Tariff and they are all absent.

Were there other cars of interest to seek in that issue?  By the way, I do not find "LT" and  "LTA" classifications listed in Appendix 3:  AAR Tank Car Type.

Regards from snow covered Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Monday, January 29, 2018, 4:21:44 PM EST, Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Garth:

I probably should not have used the word "classified".  I only meant to point out some of the cars under discussion appear in my 1936 tariff book, along with more conventional tank cars.  It could well be a billing thing; after all, tank-car rates were based on volume, not weight, and perhaps that was the case with these dry-flow cars.

In my 1935 ORER, I do see some of these classified as LT, but not any as LO.  But only the latter shows up in my 1931 Cyc, illustrating why I get frustrated trying to sort out the ARA/AAR car classifications.  Too much of a moving target, especially in the good old days.

What I was really suggesting is that somebody take a peek at the 1955 tariff to see if these cars are still listed there.  If so, then some better clarity may be obtained than that offered by the ORERs, especially with regard to numbers in service.  If not, well, it was worth a look. 

Best,

Dave Parker




On Monday, January 29, 2018 12:37 PM, "Garth Groff or Sally Sanford sarahsan@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Dave,

I have no information on how these cars were classified in the early days, but LT and LTA are in my 1958 ORER as 'Class "L", Special Car Type'. Interestingly, this section includes "LO", covered hoppers, which were hardly special by 1958.

Or do you mean for billing purposes they were treated as tank cars, and we're comparing apples to oranges here?

I'm curious to know how many of these cars existed in earlier days. Clearly by the late 1950s there were just a handful, and the case of the empty numbers of the GATX cars, and the missing American Cyanamid cars, shows that some had already disappeared. I suspect that by the end of our period, LT and LTA cars were wearing out or becoming obsolete, and were replaced by LO covered hoppers.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

    
On 1/29/18 1:46 PM, Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Because these were classified as tank cars (or so it seems), more detailed information may be found in the tariff books that Ian Cranstone has reproduced and published.  These provide a car-by-car listing, along with tank and dome volumes and (sometimes) other interesting information.

I see a subset of these cars in my 1936 edition.   For some, but not all, the tank volume is given in cubic feet rather than gallons.  GATX 31096-31099 have a footnote indicating they were for use with "Dry Arsenic" (I have no idea as to what chemical form).  Cars 33021-33026 were apparently general use; the footnote indicates "Dry Flow Automatic".  Car 33049 (1680 cu ft) was designated as a "Wet-Flo tank", which I would guess means it carried some kind of slurry.

I don't have the 1955 tariff, but several folks on this list do.  They should be able to look up the comparable information for that time-frame, which coincides with Jim's original query.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




Re: H0 brass W&R NP wood box car - good paint job?

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 29, 2018, at 4:17 PM, j.markwart@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Hello Bruce,
 
many thanks for this helpful hint! I purchased the car (the first one/ truss rod). I will change that date (or better: -let it do) - after heavy weathering.

How is letting it do better?  With that reweigh date, it would be rejected by any shipper at least 10 years prior to your modeling date…  Better would be to heavily weather the car, then apply fresh paint over the current reweigh, repack and airbrake inspection dates, and to apply repack and airbrake inspection dates within 1 year of your modeling period, and a reweigh within 48 months.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





FGEX R7-class Refrigerator

frograbbit602
 

Looking for suggestions for trucks for Westerfield, kit 11661, series 45645 to 46270 as I am not aware of a available crown truck and do not know PRR type trucks types available.  Photo of car in this series is in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 15, p. 75.

Thank You for your time and effort to respond.

Lester Breuer



Announcement - 2018 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

golden1014
 

Friends,


 
The 2018 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet will happen at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois on 20-21 July, 2018.  You're all invited and we hope to see you there!

St. Louis RPM is the nation's largest RPM-type event annually, including an expanded lineup of clinics, 20 railroad historical societies, hands-on learning stations and exhibitors, over 100 tables of scale model vendors (no swap meet stuff!), modular layouts, home layout tours, evening social events, and the largest attendee model display around--usually including 3,000 or more models brought by attendees for display.  All this and more in the modern, professional Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois, just 15 minutes east of metro St. Louis.

Want more info?  Google St. Louis RPM and read all about it, and then check out our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

This is a modeler's meet, and the heart of our event is YOUR MODELS.  We encourage you to bring your models, one or one hundred or more, for our massive model display.  Showing your models is the best way to meet new friends, teach, and learn new things.  This year we'll have 70 tables for your models and we want to hit the 5,000 mark, so bring your models and be part of the big, history-making event.  Displaying your models is free, easy and safe.  Your fellow modelers want to see your work, so bring 'em!

We're still building our vendor and historical society list for 2018, but it is growing fast.  So far we've got big names like Tangent, Speedwitch, Intermountain, ExactRail, Yarmouth, Rails Unlimited, Mask Island Decals, Plano and more all set up.  These vendors will be selling their latest, but they also want to meet you and brainstorm new ideas. They need to know what's important to you.  Our scale vendors help grow the hobby so come ready to talk about your thoughts and ideas. 

We've got a lot of cool hands-on exhibitors lined up too.  Jack Burgess will be here with his CNC machine showing you how to make your own 3D castings.  Scott Thornton will be here with the Proto Throttle, Jeff Otto of Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply will be here laying turnouts, and we're working a couple of hands-on weathering tables and a few surprises too.
 
New this year, Ted Culotta of Speedwitch will take center-stage and provide St. Louis RPM's first-ever kitbash clinic.  Speedwitch will provide an HO scale model, resin parts, decals, and a special clinic, all designed to discuss the prototype and how to kitbash it.  All free of charge--thanks Ted!  We'll tell you the prototype and how to sign up a little later.  

Clinics from some of the biggest names in prototype modeling scheduled, such as Bob Rivard, Jack Burgess, Ted Culotta, Mont Switzer, Brian Banna, Dan Holbrook and David Lehlbach.  We finally talked Jim Dufour into coming west--he's going to explode your head with his layout clinic.  Ed Hawkins is coming too.  Ed will be talking about whatever Ed wants to talk about.  And Lonnie Bathurst, part of the St. Louis RPM Host Team, is taking a break from his hosting duties to discuss grain elevator operations. 

Our Friday night slide show will be hosted by prototype modeler and author John Kohlberg, discussing East St. Louis Railroad Operations in the 1970s.

Hotels are on your own.  Our featured hotel is the DoubleTree next door to the convention center, which can be found online at http://doubletree3.hilton.com/en/hotels/illinois/doubletree-by-hilton-hotel-collinsville-st-louis-STLCNDT/index.html.  We've got a special rate all set up for RPM attendees--more info on that coming soon.

The party starts on Thursday, July 19th.  Meet us at Bandana's BBQ on 4 Commerce Drive in Collinsville for our annual and totally unofficial BBQ social and BS session.  It'll be packed so get there early.  Then it's off to the DoubleTree for a night-cap and more BSing led by our Chief St. Louis RPM BS-er, Lonnie Bathurst.  

Come a day early and visit the National Museum of Transportation http://transportmuseumassociation.org/ , the John Barriger National Railroad Library http://www.umsl.edu/mercantile/barriger/index.html and take in some of St. Louis's wonderful attractions.

The full schedule of clinics and presentations runs from 9:30 to 5:00 on Friday and Saturday.  Our giant door prize giveaway happens on Saturday evening.  

All this for just 25 bucks.  No advance reservations are necessary.  Just show up at the door and enjoy!  And don't forget to BRING YOUR MODELS!
 
Questions?  Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... or Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@....
 
See you in St. Louis!
 
Signed, The St. Louis RPM Crew:
Dave Roeder
Brian McQuitty
Mark Lewis
Jeff Kuebler
Lonnie Bathurst
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden

2018 St. Louis RPM: 20-21 July in Collinsville, Illinois http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm









resin allergy?

Fred Jansz
 

Hi guys. Last couple of weeks I've built 4 or 5 resin kits and since then I'm experiencing kind of flu-like symptoms like severe running nose, sneezing, irritated eyes, etc. I do not feel sick, but it's annoying and I'm afraid I've developed some kind of epoxy resin allergy. Maybe I should start wearing a mask and glasses while sanding resin. Any other experiences out there?
Fred Jansz



Re: Width over side sheets for CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds

Jeff Eggert
 

I’m a little late to the discussion, since Yahoo seems to have lost my post attempt from 3 days ago…

 

For the CNW cars, there are a number of dimensions that may or may not be useful on the car cards, diagrams, and data sheets.  This link is to some sample car cards and diagrams for the CNW series.  These came from the CNWHS Archives.  I did not find anything similar for the CMO cars.

http://www.yardoffice.com/RR/RRinfo/CNW1/

 

If someone sees cards and diagrams like these useful for other cars, the entire CNWHS car card collection is now digitized and available on a USB drive.  Similarly a group of 3 binders labeled “obsolete diagrams” is available on CD.

http://cnwhs.org/shopping/product_info.php?products_id=660

http://cnwhs.org/shopping/product_info.php?products_id=661

 

Jeff Eggert

CNWHS Archives

 


Re: Dates for Script and Brush Dixieland on NC&StL box cars

Mitchell Mercante
 

According to Freight Cars Journal No. 63, the script Dixieland drawing dates from June 1937 while there is also a drawing dated March 1942 for the brush Dixieland.  The NC&StL logo on the right side of the car was added to the brush scheme in April 1944.

Hope this helps.

Mitch Mercante

On Sunday, January 28, 2018, 4:18:09 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:




NC&StL cars tended to be an Oxide version of BCR. Be aware the NC&StL cars all had Hutchins roofs.

Bill Welch



Intermountain double door 1937 boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

2nd try to send this e-mail: was looking to determine what prototypes are well modelled by the Intermountain double door cars.  Searched the list archives but didn’t find a thread directly on this question.  Would appreciate any help pointing me in the right direction.

 

Rob Kirkham


intermountain 1937 double door boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

Was trying to find previous conversations on the list describing the best prototype matches to the 1937 double door boxcars.  Didn't find an obvious answer.  The models all start with 38XX product codes.  For those of you who have this kind of thing archived, I wonder - can you point me to any useful e-mail strings.  

Thanks

Rob Kirkham 



Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Roth wrote:

 
Calling all tank car gurus.  Does anyone know the colors used on Richfield Oil tanks through the years?  Ted Culotta has nice set of silver lettering for asphalt tanks, but in my stash of decals I have an old Walthers set with Orange lettering.  Is this a total Foobie, or does anyone have evidence for this?

       As it happens, I wrote a blog post bearing on this topic (link below). The post makes two points: first, though it is common to denigrate Walthers nowadays for slapdash approach to accuracy, back in the William K. Walthers days the decals and much else were in fact quite clearly based on prototype. The typefaces may not be quite right, but they are not imaginary schemes.
        The second point in the post is that Will Whittaker, who took photos of Richfield cars, did recall seeing yellow lettering on some Richfield cars. And my friend Richard Hendrickson told me he had no evidence either way about the yellow.


This of course is not to say that Ted's lettering is wrong. Most Richfield photos show what seems to be aluminum or white lettering, just as Ted has reproduced. But I am certainly doubtful that the old Walthers yellow is a foobie.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Ken,

All the info I've seen on Richfield tanks says black with silver lettering. I would believe Ted's decals long before those Walthers ones. They weren't known for accuracy in anything..............sizes, fonts, colors, numbers, etc. They were just all there was many years ago so we used them. Better stuff (Ted's) is out there now.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Monday, January 29, 2018, 7:42:47 PM CST, kenwroth@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Calling all tank car gurus.  Does anyone know the colors used on Richfield Oil tanks through the years?  Ted Culotta has nice set of silver lettering for asphalt tanks, but in my stash of decals I have an old Walthers set with Orange lettering.  Is this a total Foobie, or does anyone have evidence for this?


Thanks in advance,

Ken Roth

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