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Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

richard glueck
 

As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh


Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Barry,

One has to be careful about preserved equipment in museums. Sometimes repaints can be quite dodgy. I remember the WP caboose at Travel Town has gone through a couple of repaints, and IIRC the paint job was not always faithful (nor is the car number correct, but that's not the museum's fault).

This sometimes has consequences. Sacramento Northern GE steeple cab is 653 preserved by the Orange Empire Railway Museum at Perris. When in service this motor had yellow-orange scare stripes. Just before it was donated, the parent WP ran it through the paint shop in Sacramento and used "Zephyr" orange for the stripes, a much richer orange. Later the museum compounded this error by using similar rich orange when the motor was repainted locally. This became the "correct" color in the minds of many fans, since it was all they had ever seen (ignoring that 652 and 654 were then still wearing their in-service paint at the Western Railway Museum). When painted models of the steeple cabs were imported around 1990, the paint scheme was faithfully done in yellow-orange as the motors all wore while in service. The models did not sell as well as expected, as some modelers pointed to 653 and complained the paint was inaccurate.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 2/1/18 7:55 PM, Barry Roth barry_roth@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Within the last few years there was a Richfield tank car on display at Travel Town in Griffith Park, Los Angeles. I know because I snapped a pic of it, not for modeling purposes but because the I hoped the ROX lettering would impress a certain Roxann. Relying on memory, I would say the lettering was white. 

Unfortunately I can't find that image now (and Roxann and I are not all that close either) and have found none online. Maybe a member in the LA area could take a look. 

Barry

On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
Garth Groff wrote:

 

Does anyone know if there are Richfield archives? Perhaps there are surviving tank car lettering specifications. Successor ARCO is headquartered in La Plama, California, though it is now a subsidiary of BP.


       A decade or so ago, there were VERY complete Richfield archives in the old Richfield building in Los Angeles (a handsome black and gold Art Deco building, IIRC . . . black gold, get it?). Those archives survived the demolition of the old building and were moved to the new Arco skyscraper. But at that time, there was no company archivist who could supervise delving into the records, so no one was allowed to do so. Don't know if those archives still exist.

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Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

rwitt_2000
 

Doug,

Those were my initial thoughts, but why would they be loading "our families" reefers in Wisconsin for a short haul to the Port of Milwaukee and not use Northwestern reefers?

Loading on the Burlington as Bruce suggested or the GN seems more plausible.

I wonder if Bill Welch have information about loading "our families" reefers in "foreign" territories?

Bob Witt


Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

Douglas Harding
 

As the photo comes from the C&NW historical archives I would assume the seed potato loads come from Wisconsin which was CNW territory. Wisconsin is large producer of potatoes, ie 3rd behind Idaho and Washington according to this website http://eatwisconsinpotatoes.com/wisconsin-potatoes/potato-vegetable-statistics/

 

In the same collection are several other potato related photos https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/chicago-and-north-western-rail-road-archives.html?tab=artworkgalleries&artworkgalleryid=544943

 

Another mentions Red River Valley potatoes. Red River Valley was in North Dakota, another state known for raising potatoes.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Bob,

 

My thoughts too... my SWAG was BREX territory, so Idaho or a similar location.

 

Regards

Bruce ​Smith

Auburn, AL


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Bruce,

I also noticed the line of "Our Companies" reefers and wondered where the shipment originated. I assume it was northwest of Wisconsin and that may had some affect on what port was used.


Bob Witt


Re: New mini-kit and another new part from Resin Car Works

skibbs4
 

Per the order files that Ed Hawkins was kind enough to pull during research for the Mini-Kit, we found that the drawing numbers for the ends were the same for the C&EI and CGW cars.

So yes, you can model C&EI 1-5 with the same resin parts.

Mike Skibbe

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:34 AM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

 

I checked with Frank about the C&EI car option and he has been told the C&EI and CGW cars are the same but hasn’t any evidence at hand. It is an option for the C&EI faithful to consider.

 

BTW, I had posted that product announcement to the list on Sunday afternoon. I did not knowingly break the STMFC rules on sale posts.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW Web guy

 

 

 

 


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Are the Pullman ends mentioned here the same ends used on the five colorful C&EI express boxcars? Microscale offers the decals.

 

Bill Welch




Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Nelson Moyer
 

In addition to the paint issue, one of two cars was missing a placard holder on one end. I found it in the packaging. Check your cars for broken or missing parts.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Hello Group,

        My Sinclair tank car that I just received has the same issue. Thanks for the heads up. Barry 


Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

Eric Bergh
 

Allen,
Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh


Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
        My Sinclair tank car that I just received has the same issue. Thanks for the heads up. Barry 


Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,


My thoughts too... my SWAG was BREX territory, so Idaho or a similar location.


Regards

Bruce ​Smith

Auburn, AL


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Bruce,

I also noticed the line of "Our Companies" reefers and wondered where the shipment originated. I assume it was northwest of Wisconsin and that may had some affect on what port was used.


Bob Witt


Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

I also noticed the line of "Our Companies" reefers and wondered where the shipment originated. I assume it was northwest of Wisconsin and that may had some affect on what port was used.


Bob Witt


Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Barry Roth
 

Within the last few years there was a Richfield tank car on display at Travel Town in Griffith Park, Los Angeles. I know because I snapped a pic of it, not for modeling purposes but because the I hoped the ROX lettering would impress a certain Roxann. Relying on memory, I would say the lettering was white. 

Unfortunately I can't find that image now (and Roxann and I are not all that close either) and have found none online. Maybe a member in the LA area could take a look. 

Barry

On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Garth Groff wrote:

 

Does anyone know if there are Richfield archives? Perhaps there are surviving tank car lettering specifications. Successor ARCO is headquartered in La Plama, California, though it is now a subsidiary of BP.


       A decade or so ago, there were VERY complete Richfield archives in the old Richfield building in Los Angeles (a handsome black and gold Art Deco building, IIRC . . . black gold, get it?). Those archives survived the demolition of the old building and were moved to the new Arco skyscraper. But at that time, there was no company archivist who could supervise delving into the records, so no one was allowed to do so. Don't know if those archives still exist.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Tony Thompson
 

       A decade or so ago, there were VERY complete Richfield archives in the old Richfield building  . . .

    Got ahead of myself here. The old Richfield Art Deco building was demolished in 1969. I meant the former Arco skyscraper, now renamed for some other tenant.


Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

 

Does anyone know if there are Richfield archives? Perhaps there are surviving tank car lettering specifications. Successor ARCO is headquartered in La Plama, California, though it is now a subsidiary of BP.


       A decade or so ago, there were VERY complete Richfield archives in the old Richfield building in Los Angeles (a handsome black and gold Art Deco building, IIRC . . . black gold, get it?). Those archives survived the demolition of the old building and were moved to the new Arco skyscraper. But at that time, there was no company archivist who could supervise delving into the records, so no one was allowed to do so. Don't know if those archives still exist.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

richard glueck
 

How about dimensions for the car?  This is a classic, and I would love to turn it out in 1/8th scale.

Richard


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 5:46:05 PM EST, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

The Heinz Corporation photograph records from 1861 to 2001 are at the Senator John Heinz history center Pittsburgh.   The photographs have not all been digitized

http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/detre-library-archives/collection-highlights/h-j-heinz-company

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/search/catch_all_fields_mt%3A%28pickle%29?f[0]=RELS_EXT_isMemberOfCollection_uri_ms%3A%22info%5C%3Afedora%5C/pitt%3Acollection.47%22&islandora_solr_search_navigation=0

There is one pickle car #103 at the last link  scorll down the page  click on the image for a larger image

Rich Orr




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Does anyone have a prototype photo or a paint diagram for the wooden horizontal tank vinegar car?  I am completing one of the OMI brass cars and all I can find are pictures of models and the decals are applied differently in most of the pictures.  I have the Champ set but need to know correct locations and content.

Thanks,

Allen Cain





Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

SUVCWORR@...
 

The Heinz Corporation photograph records from 1861 to 2001 are at the Senator John Heinz history center Pittsburgh.   The photographs have not all been digitized

http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/detre-library-archives/collection-highlights/h-j-heinz-company

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/search/catch_all_fields_mt%3A%28pickle%29?f[0]=RELS_EXT_isMemberOfCollection_uri_ms%3A%22info%5C%3Afedora%5C/pitt%3Acollection.47%22&islandora_solr_search_navigation=0

There is one pickle car #103 at the last link  scorll down the page  click on the image for a larger image

Rich Orr




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Subject: [STMFC] Heinze Vinegar Tank Car



Does anyone have a prototype photo or a paint diagram for the wooden horizontal tank vinegar car?  I am completing one of the OMI brass cars and all I can find are pictures of models and the decals are applied differently in most of the pictures.  I have the Champ set but need to know correct locations and content.

Thanks,

Allen Cain





Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba (Waybills)

Dave Sarther
 

Dennis's response is very interesting.  It fills a niche of information and adds a dimension to my life growing up in Chicago.  During my formative years my Dad was a "weigh master" for the Board of Trade in Chicago.  He worked in the various grain elevators along the southern shores of Lake Michigan.  I can recall going to the harbor area with him when a Russian cargo ship was in port being loaded with grain.  Other times he would take me to the elevators to see box cars or semi trucks being unloaded.  He had that job for several years that I can recall.  Then it seemed rather suddenly that he was working for the Chicago Public Schools as a stationary fireman in a school.  I always thought that he switched jobs for better pay (he and Mon were supporting five kids).  Since those days, and through this list I learned that grain shipments moved to the IC because they didn't have to cope with the St. Lawrence Seaway freezing over in Winters and it was a more direct way to get grain to ports closer to the Panama Canal.  So maybe it was for better pay or that his job was fazed out.  I haven't been back to the harbor area in decades but I can imagine that the gigantic grain silos of Cargill, etc. have long ago been raised.  The Canadian National RR (IC) cornered that market long ago. 
 
Later,  Dave S.  Tucson, AZ
 
 

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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Now this makes me wonder, why a shipper would bother with the longer rail-ship route through Milwaukee rather than rail-ship or rail-car ferry out of Florida?
==================

Because it was an article of faith that water rates were always cheaper. That was the whole impetus for building the Seaway; bring ships into ports in the interior and cut the railroads out of the equation, at least on the long haul to eastern ports. Problem was, even as the Seaway was being built, labor rates were rising worldwide, and it wasn't too many years that shippers realized that rail rates were competitive with the cost of paying a crew for the two week cruise into the Great Lakes, and the Seaway traffic slowly died.

Dennis Storzek


Tangent GA Tank Car

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

I just received my Tangent 10K General American radial course tank car. The detail is superb. I am extremely pleased, except for one small gripe. The edge of the "C" in Sinclair just partly covers one of the tank bands on both sides. Consequently, the lettering is ragged on that spot. The "L" also does this, but looks much nicer. I'm not sure if the prototype letters went across the bands or not (rest assured I will be checking published photos). This certainly can be touched up with some silver paint and then covered by weathering, but it is a bit jarring.

I'm still hoping the 8K car will be offered in Sinclair later this year.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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