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Re: Proper Placement Of A Load

al_brown03
 

Yes. Please see:


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Proper Placement Of A Load

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I don't have a prototype diagram or photo to compare with the model, but does the placement of the load supports over the middle of the flat cars rather than over or nearer the trucks seem correct?

 

http://www.laserkit.com/images/206web.jpg

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

al_brown03
 

I count five pickle cars, four coffin-type and one open-tub, and one vinegar tank. Neat scene!

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

suvcworr <SUVCWORR@...>
 

To orient that for those not familiar with the area.   PNC park is now on the right side of the photo and Heinz field on the left.  Most of the area in the photo is now parking lot. Streets and North shore park.  The B&O tracks closest to the river are a rails to trails project.

Rich Orr



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From: "Paul Doggett paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
Date: 2/2/18 08:01 (GMT-05:00)
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

Great photo Eric.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:58 pm, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard on the B&O Allegheny Branch. Several Heinz pickle and vinegar cars can be seen.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP/viewer


Click on the image once it opens as you can zoom in pretty far. Note the pickle cars are not painted a light color in this 1923 image.. This yard and neighboring loco facilities were shared with the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh and was originally the Pittsburgh & Western.

BTW, if you know Pittsburgh and wonder where this is, the Pirates play baseball in PNC Park on this site now. The photographer is on the old Manchester Bridge and the Point is just off the image to the right. This is a mostly forgotten B&O branch that also served the Pressed Steel Car Company plant a couple miles down the Ohio River from here, just beyond the penitentiary. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 2, 2018 at 4:09 AM "richard glueck richard_glueck@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh

 


 


 


Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

You sure will 😎😎😎

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 1:16 pm, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks Paul. It's a favorite of mine. The School Street yard and the neighboring Smoky Island yard will be the core of my next layout in my new space. I'll need a few pickle and vinegar cars!



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On February 2, 2018 at 6:01 AM "Paul Doggett paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" wrote:



Great photo Eric.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:58 pm, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard on the B&O Allegheny Branch. Several Heinz pickle and vinegar cars can be seen.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP/viewer


Click on the image once it opens as you can zoom in pretty far. Note the pickle cars are not painted a light color in this 1923 image.. This yard and neighboring loco facilities were shared with the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh and was originally the Pittsburgh & Western.

BTW, if you know Pittsburgh and wonder where this is, the Pirates play baseball in PNC Park on this site now. The photographer is on the old Manchester Bridge and the Point is just off the image to the right. This is a mostly forgotten B&O branch that also served the Pressed Steel Car Company plant a couple miles down the Ohio River from here, just beyond the penitentiary. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 2, 2018 at 4:09 AM "richard glueck richard_glueck@... [STMFC]" wrote:



As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh

 


 


 

 



 


 




Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks Paul. It's a favorite of mine. The School Street yard and the neighboring Smoky Island yard will be the core of my next layout in my new space. I'll need a few pickle and vinegar cars!



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On February 2, 2018 at 6:01 AM "Paul Doggett paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



Great photo Eric.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:58 pm, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard on the B&O Allegheny Branch. Several Heinz pickle and vinegar cars can be seen.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP/viewer


Click on the image once it opens as you can zoom in pretty far. Note the pickle cars are not painted a light color in this 1923 image.. This yard and neighboring loco facilities were shared with the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh and was originally the Pittsburgh & Western.

BTW, if you know Pittsburgh and wonder where this is, the Pirates play baseball in PNC Park on this site now. The photographer is on the old Manchester Bridge and the Point is just off the image to the right. This is a mostly forgotten B&O branch that also served the Pressed Steel Car Company plant a couple miles down the Ohio River from here, just beyond the penitentiary. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 2, 2018 at 4:09 AM "richard glueck richard_glueck@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh

 


 


 

 



 


 




Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Great photo Eric.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:58 pm, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard on the B&O Allegheny Branch. Several Heinz pickle and vinegar cars can be seen.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP/viewer


Click on the image once it opens as you can zoom in pretty far. Note the pickle cars are not painted a light color in this 1923 image. This yard and neighboring loco facilities were shared with the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh and was originally the Pittsburgh & Western.

BTW, if you know Pittsburgh and wonder where this is, the Pirates play baseball in PNC Park on this site now. The photographer is on the old Manchester Bridge and the Point is just off the image to the right. This is a mostly forgotten B&O branch that also served the Pressed Steel Car Company plant a couple miles down the Ohio River from here, just beyond the penitentiary. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 2, 2018 at 4:09 AM "richard glueck richard_glueck@... [STMFC]" wrote:



As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh

 


 


 


Re: Heinz Vinegar Tank Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard on the B&O Allegheny Branch. Several Heinz pickle and vinegar cars can be seen.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.231799.CP/viewer


Click on the image once it opens as you can zoom in pretty far. Note the pickle cars are not painted a light color in this 1923 image. This yard and neighboring loco facilities were shared with the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh and was originally the Pittsburgh & Western.

BTW, if you know Pittsburgh and wonder where this is, the Pirates play baseball in PNC Park on this site now. The photographer is on the old Manchester Bridge and the Point is just off the image to the right. This is a mostly forgotten B&O branch that also served the Pressed Steel Car Company plant a couple miles down the Ohio River from here, just beyond the penitentiary. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On February 2, 2018 at 4:09 AM "richard glueck richard_glueck@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh

 


 


 


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Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

richard glueck
 

As is the case in most circumstances, a Google search provided me with rough measurements and a host of Heinz RR car paint schemes.  I will try to post in the files section.


On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 9:39:16 PM EST, bergh.eric@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Allen,

Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh


Re: Richfield tank car lettering color

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Barry,

One has to be careful about preserved equipment in museums. Sometimes repaints can be quite dodgy. I remember the WP caboose at Travel Town has gone through a couple of repaints, and IIRC the paint job was not always faithful (nor is the car number correct, but that's not the museum's fault).

This sometimes has consequences. Sacramento Northern GE steeple cab is 653 preserved by the Orange Empire Railway Museum at Perris. When in service this motor had yellow-orange scare stripes. Just before it was donated, the parent WP ran it through the paint shop in Sacramento and used "Zephyr" orange for the stripes, a much richer orange. Later the museum compounded this error by using similar rich orange when the motor was repainted locally. This became the "correct" color in the minds of many fans, since it was all they had ever seen (ignoring that 652 and 654 were then still wearing their in-service paint at the Western Railway Museum). When painted models of the steeple cabs were imported around 1990, the paint scheme was faithfully done in yellow-orange as the motors all wore while in service. The models did not sell as well as expected, as some modelers pointed to 653 and complained the paint was inaccurate.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 2/1/18 7:55 PM, Barry Roth barry_roth@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Within the last few years there was a Richfield tank car on display at Travel Town in Griffith Park, Los Angeles. I know because I snapped a pic of it, not for modeling purposes but because the I hoped the ROX lettering would impress a certain Roxann. Relying on memory, I would say the lettering was white. 

Unfortunately I can't find that image now (and Roxann and I are not all that close either) and have found none online. Maybe a member in the LA area could take a look. 

Barry

On Feb 1, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 
Garth Groff wrote:

 

Does anyone know if there are Richfield archives? Perhaps there are surviving tank car lettering specifications. Successor ARCO is headquartered in La Plama, California, though it is now a subsidiary of BP.


       A decade or so ago, there were VERY complete Richfield archives in the old Richfield building in Los Angeles (a handsome black and gold Art Deco building, IIRC . . . black gold, get it?). Those archives survived the demolition of the old building and were moved to the new Arco skyscraper. But at that time, there was no company archivist who could supervise delving into the records, so no one was allowed to do so. Don't know if those archives still exist.

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Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

rwitt_2000
 

Doug,

Those were my initial thoughts, but why would they be loading "our families" reefers in Wisconsin for a short haul to the Port of Milwaukee and not use Northwestern reefers?

Loading on the Burlington as Bruce suggested or the GN seems more plausible.

I wonder if Bill Welch have information about loading "our families" reefers in "foreign" territories?

Bob Witt


Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

Douglas Harding
 

As the photo comes from the C&NW historical archives I would assume the seed potato loads come from Wisconsin which was CNW territory. Wisconsin is large producer of potatoes, ie 3rd behind Idaho and Washington according to this website http://eatwisconsinpotatoes.com/wisconsin-potatoes/potato-vegetable-statistics/

 

In the same collection are several other potato related photos https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/chicago-and-north-western-rail-road-archives.html?tab=artworkgalleries&artworkgalleryid=544943

 

Another mentions Red River Valley potatoes. Red River Valley was in North Dakota, another state known for raising potatoes.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Bob,

 

My thoughts too... my SWAG was BREX territory, so Idaho or a similar location.

 

Regards

Bruce ​Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

 



Bruce,

I also noticed the line of "Our Companies" reefers and wondered where the shipment originated. I assume it was northwest of Wisconsin and that may had some affect on what port was used.


Bob Witt


Re: New mini-kit and another new part from Resin Car Works

skibbs4
 

Per the order files that Ed Hawkins was kind enough to pull during research for the Mini-Kit, we found that the drawing numbers for the ends were the same for the C&EI and CGW cars.

So yes, you can model C&EI 1-5 with the same resin parts.

Mike Skibbe

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:34 AM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

 

I checked with Frank about the C&EI car option and he has been told the C&EI and CGW cars are the same but hasn’t any evidence at hand. It is an option for the C&EI faithful to consider.

 

BTW, I had posted that product announcement to the list on Sunday afternoon. I did not knowingly break the STMFC rules on sale posts.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW Web guy

 

 

 

 


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Are the Pullman ends mentioned here the same ends used on the five colorful C&EI express boxcars? Microscale offers the decals.

 

Bill Welch




Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Nelson Moyer
 

In addition to the paint issue, one of two cars was missing a placard holder on one end. I found it in the packaging. Check your cars for broken or missing parts.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Hello Group,

        My Sinclair tank car that I just received has the same issue. Thanks for the heads up. Barry 


Re: Heinze Vinegar Tank Car

Eric Bergh
 

Allen,
Perhaps this view of a Standard Brands vinegar car may be of some help to you...
-Eric Bergh


Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
        My Sinclair tank car that I just received has the same issue. Thanks for the heads up. Barry 


Re: Seed Potato Shipments To Cuba

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,


My thoughts too... my SWAG was BREX territory, so Idaho or a similar location.


Regards

Bruce ​Smith

Auburn, AL


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Bruce,

I also noticed the line of "Our Companies" reefers and wondered where the shipment originated. I assume it was northwest of Wisconsin and that may had some affect on what port was used.


Bob Witt

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