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My San Jacinto blog

philippecousyn
 

Hi all,

Just a quick note, as time permit I've posted some new posts on my blog about freight cars of the steam era (my time frame is 1948-1952),etc... It may be of interest to some of you even if it's S scale and quite below average in term of knowledge about freight cars described. Modelling in S scale means to be accomodating and having quite a lot of stand ins (relatively few accurate models, fewer decals, detailling parts, etc...) Please keep this in mind and be tolerant https://sscalesanjacintostation1950.blogspot.fr/

Have a good sunday

Philippe Cousyn
Parmain, France

(sorry for the cross posting between some lists)


Re: Art Griffin Decals

jerryglow2
 

Not totally familiar with his line but weren't they dry transfers?  That technology is a dying breed as model decals were a minor part of that technology as the main use was old 'paste ups' in the publishing business. Computers have replaced that so those suppliers who made them have all but dried up.


It's a shame as there were some good lines produced by that process that should consider converting to what Greg Komar (another dry transfer producer) referred to as 'slimy decals'




Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Bill Welch
 

. . .and I have had no issues with Badger's Modelflex on the 400 or so resin kits I have built including several "early" kits.

Bill Welch


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Bruce Smith
 

​Roger,


When properly prepared (washed in Dawn or similar detergent and grit blasted) these cars take all sorts of paints well.  However, there are still issues.  Several folks have had issues with TruColor paints on resin. I have had no issue with Scalecoat, Poly Scale, Vallejo, and Model Master paints with no issues.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: STMFC@... on behalf of Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC]
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 


Andrew,

Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.

The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.

I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.

It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer




Re: Art Griffin Decals

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

Had and email exchange with Art 1-2 years ago and he was leaving the business.......I was trying to place an order and he said no....to the best of my knowledge he has not sold the business.......Best, Jim Williams

On ‎Saturday‎, ‎February‎ ‎03‎, ‎2018‎ ‎03‎:‎25‎:‎38‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

I would like to obtain some Art Griffin ATSF decals for the Silvercrash Car Works stock car. I am not being successful in finding an email or address for him. Can anyone assist?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Art Griffin Decals

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would like to obtain some Art Griffin ATSF decals for the Silvercrash Car Works stock car. I am not being successful in finding an email or address for him. Can anyone assist?

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Andrew,

Thanks. As has been pointed out by a couple members I'm "living in the past" with my resin car experience. Indeed my experience was in the earlier years with flat kits by Westerfield and F&C and they were just not suitable for me. I just had a hard time and they shattered and were just sot of nasty things. I haven't tried any since then and obviously it's a shame as I've limited my freight car roster.

The resin companies offer so many unique and interesting cars. I had one fellow that was building cars for me and that somehow stopped. So maybe with all the good information I've been getting I may try some resin cars.

I also seem to remember guys saying the earlier resins also were difficult to make paint adhere to. I guess the new polyurethene material has cured that issue too. 

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 10:31:42 AM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.

It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

dahminator68
 

Hello Roger.  We use polyurethane resin to make all of our castings.  Brittle is not a word that I would use with polyurethane.
It is likely you are thinking of the early resin kits from the '80s that were made from dark polyester resin.  That stuff is like glass.
Polyurethane compares to styrene in many ways but must be glued with ACC.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 4:49 PM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:43:58 PM CST, Andrew Dahm dahminator68@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

Hello.  Actually, the #11600 Series Kits are only available with One-Piece bodies.


Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfieldmodels@...



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 3:15 PM, Srrfan1401 srrfan1401@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I believe that you can buy it either way check the Westerfield web site


On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:39 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Roger asked, “Is the Westerfield car a flat kit or a single body? ”


Kit 11661, is a one well cast one piece body.

Lester Breuer


Re: MP Reweigh Stations

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Ed. I had forgotten about that link. I downloaded the pdf so I can search my hard drive next time.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 10:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MP Reweigh Stations

 

 

On Feb 2, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Nelson Moyer npmoyer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



I built a Westerfield MP 81000 series boxcar, and the decals only support NEW reweigh dates. Since the car was built in 1924, and I model 1953, I need to know the reweigh station so I can piece together a reweigh location and date. Photos of cars show DES 2-51 and DUPO 7-34. What are other location on the MP that I might consider, based upon a limited number of decal letters available?

 

Nelson,

It’s been quite a few years ago when a number of people collaborated with Richard Hendrickson in compiling a list of weigh stations symbols, which is one of the many prototype reference files in the STMFC web site. 

 

 

Link is the 6th bullet. The list is alphabetical by reporting marks, which for MoPac on-line weigh stations include listings on 3 pages.

 

21 International-Great Northern

23 Missouri Pacific

25 Gulf Coast lines (listed as NOT&M but also applies to StLB&M)

 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Johannes,

Thanks for the info. That's a very nice looking model.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 5:56:22 AM CST, j.markwart@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Hello Roger,
 
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
 
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
 
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2018 um 03:35 Uhr
Von: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]"
An: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 

 

Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 
 
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 
 
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

 
Bill Welch
 

 


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Roger,
 
there is Southeast Scale Models by Michael Stamey. Here is an example:
 
https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/090372/HO-Built-Up-Model-Southeast-Scale-Models-from-Westerfield-3802-ACL-Atlantic-Coast-Line-USRA-Boxcar-Box-Car-46824-Pro-Paint
 
I have two cars built by him and I am very pleased by his work. From time to time you can find his offerings at ebay.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2018 um 03:35 Uhr
Von: "Roger Huber trainpainter@... [STMFC]"
An: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
Betreff: Re: [STMFC] F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
 

 

Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 
 
I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 
 

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
 
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

 
Bill Welch
 

 


Timonium - 03-04 February

Ted Culotta
 

If any of you will be in attendance at Timonium this weekend, I will have a couple tables there and would love to chat about Steam Era freight cars. Please seek me out! 

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Dennis
 

Steve,

Thanks for pointing out my error . . . I obviously transposed letters when looking up the reporting marks . . . damn it sucks getting old. 

I found it in the ORER and can move on to weathering . . .

Thanks again,

Dennis Korn


Re: MP Reweigh Stations

Ed Hawkins
 


On Feb 2, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Nelson Moyer npmoyer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I built a Westerfield MP 81000 series boxcar, and the decals only support NEW reweigh dates. Since the car was built in 1924, and I model 1953, I need to know the reweigh station so I can piece together a reweigh location and date. Photos of cars show DES 2-51 and DUPO 7-34. What are other location on the MP that I might consider, based upon a limited number of decal letters available?

Nelson,
It’s been quite a few years ago when a number of people collaborated with Richard Hendrickson in compiling a list of weigh stations symbols, which is one of the many prototype reference files in the STMFC web site. 


Link is the 6th bullet. The list is alphabetical by reporting marks, which for MoPac on-line weigh stations include listings on 3 pages.

21 International-Great Northern
23 Missouri Pacific
25 Gulf Coast lines (listed as NOT&M but also applies to StLB&M)

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


MP Reweigh Stations

Nelson Moyer
 

I built a Westerfield MP 81000 series boxcar, and the decals only support NEW reweigh dates. Since the car was built in 1924, and I model 1953, I need to know the reweigh station so I can piece together a reweigh location and date. Photos of cars show DES 2-51 and DUPO 7-34. What are other location on the MP that I might consider, based upon a limited number of decal letters available?

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Bill Welch
 

I think there are names of builders on the Westerfield website and Pierre Oliver who hangs out here is an excellent custom/commercial builder. He can be found here: http://www.elgincarshops.com/

Bill Welch


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Craig Zeni
 

On Feb 2, 2018, at 7:52 PM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

1e. Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build
Posted by: "Roger Huber" trainpainter@yahoo.com trainpainter
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:48 pm ((PST))

Thanks for that clarification. Is the one piece resin as brittle as the flat kit material?
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works
The dark grey brittle epoxy resin hasn't been used by Westerfield in many many years. The flat kits went to the softer, flexible, lighter grey urethane resin years ago


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Thanks, Bill.  That was about my last experience with resin cars and I filed them away under the "never again" category! Way back I tried a Westerfield and an F&C and it was frustrating to say the least. I have heard they were much more user friendly now. Unfortunately the past experience was so poor it has kept me from having some very unique rolling stock. I'm still not convinced I want to spend the money on them and experiment myself. 

I had a very good builder but he got his feelings hurt or something and so that avenue is closed, I guess. Maybe I can find another builder who can produce quality work for me. Does anyone know of a builder who can assemble resin cars without large sloppy glue deposits and have things aligned straight and true?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, February 2, 2018, 8:18:51 PM CST, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.


Bill Welch


Re: F.G.E.X. Refrigerator build

Bill Welch
 

That brittle material has not been used by Westerfield for over 30 years now Roger.

Bill Welch


Re: Tangent GA Tank Car

Jim Ogden
 

The Humble tank car should have a blue outline outside the red logo if it’s supposed to be a car repainted between 1935 and 1945. This can be easily added with a decal if it gets under my skin too much.

After the Second World War Humble changed this to the familiar white oval with a blue outline and red lettering to resemble the other Standard Oil of New Jersey properties such as Esso. (Standard Oil of New Jersey owned 50% of Humble since 1919 and bought the rest circa 1959).

Jim Ogden
Fort Worth, TX

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