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Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Randy Hees
 

Pantone, while not the best system is the most accessible.  Munsel books are $1000.00 plus... so not available...

Pantone was originally designed for printer's ink, but now has expanded for paint and textiles...

We use Pantone for our color information at PacificNG.org...  the landing page for our color cards is http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/color/index.php&pg=contemporary  Each of these cards is based on forensic paint information from original cars or car material...  from 19th century color cards, from 19th century paint formula books...  

While Pantone is not perfect, it does convey information in a standardize system...

Randy Hees


Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints

Dave Nelson
 

FWIW, many of the next-gen TV sets (UHD) will come with High Definition
Color (HDR). What that means in digital terms is instead of using 8 bits to
obtain 256 gradations each of red, blue, and green, it'll use 10 bits and
provide 1024 gradations of each. The number of discrete colors will jump
from almost 17 million to over 1 billion. Of course this still won't
provide good representations of shiny metals (which are visually multiple
colors to a far greater degree than ordinary colors, the lighting being
equal) but I suppose you can't have everything.

In due time computer graphics cards and art software will support the same.
That'll be fine for me -- I paint my digital models w/ light anyway and
heck, with a billion colors to choose from people might actually find 1024
values in each of the RGB codes more than adequate to convey what color
swatches for the model railroad freight cars.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pantone Numbers for Railroad Paints


I'm late to this party, but have a few comments.

The original question was are there Pantone numbers for RR paints?
The answer is usually no. The reason is that there are only 1200 or 1400
Pantone colors.

Your computer screen with 24-bit RGB color (8 bits per color) will produce
almost 17 million colors (256x256x256 = 16,777,216). That's a lot more than
Pantone, but still not all colors.
Similar is true for CMYK printed colors.

There is no way for RGB or CMYK to produce the color Sodium Yellow, which is
a near single frequency of visible light (remember sodium vapor street
lights?). Same is true for the color of most neon signs and any LED -
neither the RGB nor CMYK systems can match them.

So we do the best we can with available materials and move on.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA




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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Yes, I am pretty sure it is the Tichy Flat... looks like I forgot to fill in the holes for the stake pockets, sigh. Oh well, no longer going to have a pickle plant on the module so it won't be running often :)
-Eric Bergh


Re: Ralston-Purina Ventilated Box Car (Reefer)

Galen Gallimore
 

No luck with Labelle - friendly conversation, but no information that I could use.  I am glad that most modelers and manufacturers are helpful and kind.  It makes this sort of detective work easier.

I have one more lead to track down in St. Louis and I'll let the group know if that pans out.  Otherwise, I'm going to start work on these cars when my current caboose project wraps up, hopefully in a couple weeks at most.

Galen


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks Eric! That works.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139379399@N03/25618780997/in/album-72157666151
476198/


Did you use the Tichy flat car as the base model?


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 10:56 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Try the link now. I think the permissions are fixed. Man, I sure miss Photo
Bucket. Flicker isn't intuitive, at least for me... hard to be sure from my
macine if changes are enough to make pic show.
-eric bergh

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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Try the link now. I think the permissions are fixed. Man, I sure miss Photo Bucket. Flicker isn’t intuitive, at least for me... hard to be sure from my macine if changes are enough to make pic show.
-eric bergh


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

Erich,

 

Your Flickr site won’t open. Do you have your settings as private or public?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 - will need a few pickle cars for the next layout

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

 



Hi Gary,

I did build one of the pickle cars several years ago. I do not recall any particular problems with the project. It probably is a better build than using an old Ambroid kit since they are providing you with laser cut parts, etc. and things do go together quite well. Detail is ok, but not really fine... I did add truss rods to the sides, as per some photos I found online... I didn't ever get around to adding cut levers, etc to the flatcar though :).

Here's an old iPhone pic - it did not like my weathering much, looks kinda splotching, but fortunately better on the car. Decals are mine.

Enjoy the build!

 

 

Here's a link to my pic:  Open in new window

Eric Bergh

 



Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

I did two....Pics attached.......Fragile ..........I purchased three kits to get two....roof supports break as they are removed from the sheet....glued an pined  them back together over and over....I liked the result but didn't find it entertaining....Jim Williams

On ‎Sunday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2018‎ ‎06‎:‎31‎:‎36‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@earthlink.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


It is listed as a flat car load:

 

http://www.laserkit.com/images/391Aweb.jpg 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Bergh
 

Hi Gary,
I did build one of the pickle cars several years ago. I do not recall any particular problems with the project. It probably is a better build than using an old Ambroid kit since they are providing you with laser cut parts, etc. and things do go together quite well. Detail is ok, but not really fine... I did add truss rods to the sides, as per some photos I found online... I didn't ever get around to adding cut levers, etc to the flatcar though :).
Here's an old iPhone pic - it did not like my weathering much, looks kinda splotching, but fortunately better on the car. Decals are mine.
Enjoy the build!


Here's a link to my pic:  Open in new window
Eric Bergh
 


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Earl Tuson
 

Bob Chaparro commented:

What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.
I can state that I have seen no other photos of any B&M double sheathed boxcars, USRA or otherwise, that were sided in this manner. I have never come across any explanation for this of any kind. My presumption is this may very well be a one-off experiment.

Others have already covered the MTC reporting marks adequately, but I'll just add that the B&M used the reporting marks on a wide variety of car series, not just these and the well known ARA single- and steel-sheathed cars.

Eric Lombard had added, in part:

...70000-70987, a renumbered series of single-sheathed construction came into service.
Actually 69700-70987. These were just 71000 and 72000 series cars sold to Hyman-Michels, IIRC, refurbished, and leased back to the B&M. (This is getting beyond my era of interest; perhaps Eric's reference is only to the initial listing, and as the program continued, the number series was opened up to that which I just gave.)

Earl Tuson


Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

gary laakso
 

It is listed as a flat car load:

 

http://www.laserkit.com/images/391Aweb.jpg 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


HO 'Car Works' Western 20-yard wood air dump brass car

Andy Carlson
 



Hello folks-
I have a new HO unpainted brass "The Car Works" car, as in the title. It is the Wood bed version. It doesn't  fit into my plans anymore, so I can offer it to anyone reading this post. $190, plus shipping. Contact me off list for details
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "oandle@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:30 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Dump cars

 
Hi Richard,
  W&R Enterprises made two types in brass that were available years ago, one was a Clark Car Co. 30 cu yd side dump ( I'm using it for B&O) and one was a Magor side dump (I'm using this one for AC&Y).

The Car Works Co. also produced an all wood and all steel version of the Western 20 yd air dump in brass. Its been a long time since I've seen any of these cars offered on the secondary market.





Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

ROGER HINMAN
 

My understanding is MTC is an alternate reporting mark used on B&M owned cars to provide the accountants with a small sample of cars to analyze costs with. Definitely not a refrigerator car. 

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Feb 25, 2018 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mystic Terminal Company 70357

 

Bruce, it seems so - the 1940 ORER listing just says cars are stenciled B&M or MTC
but doesn't specify which cars are which.

Tim



I note the "AT HOME ON BOSTON & MAINE" lettering.  Is that to denote that the B&M serves as the "home road" for this car?

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Everyone...

My records indicate 25 cars out of B&M 70000-70499 (1919, ACF Lot 8571) received MTC marks in 1927. The weigh date on MTC 70357 looks like '27' so this is likely one of the 'new' B&M cars keeping its original serial number. Several other types of B&M cars were similarly marked MTC as the Mystic Terminal Co. came into existence at the same time. An additional car was added to the MTC series count between 1930 and 1931. Between 1932 and 1933 the MTC cars were folded into the B&M 70000-70499 ORER count but kept their MTC marks. I have a 1949 photo of MTC 70110 (ordinary vertical sheathing). Don't know if they kept MTC marks until retirement. The B&M 70000-70499 series (apparently including the MTC cars) was gone by mid 1954 when 70000-70987, a renumbered series of single-sheathed construction came into service.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 12:16 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

The caption for this undated photo says this is a refrigerator car but it looks more like a boxcar to me. What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/

 

Anyone know more about this or similar cars?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Tim O'Connor
 


Bruce, it seems so - the 1940 ORER listing just says cars are stenciled B&M or MTC
but doesn't specify which cars are which.

Tim



I note the "AT HOME ON BOSTON & MAINE" lettering.  Is that to denote that the B&M serves as the "home road" for this car?

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/


Re: New Depressed Center Flatcar from Trainlife

Tim O'Connor
 

I just talked to Sharon yesterday they've had some health problems this winter.
She said she went to Timonium this month in spite of having pneumonia! I called
about some decals and learned that she prints the decals herself but can't do it
when the weather is rainy (as it has been recently)...

Tim

Thanks Tim, I will stick w/the ECK kit I plan to build as the Southern's 25001�I think that wwas the number in my plan, hah.

I was counting on F&C being at CCB to shop for one the their PRR well hole models

You are correct about Bruce's model.

Bill Welch


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Bruce Smith
 

​I note the "AT HOME ON BOSTON & MAINE" lettering.  Is that to denote that the B&M serves as the "home road" for this car?


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 12:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Mystic Terminal Company 70357
 


The caption for this undated photo says this is a refrigerator car but it looks more like a boxcar to me. What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/

 

Anyone know more about this or similar cars?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: New Depressed Center Flatcar from Trainlife

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Tim, I will stick w/the ECK kit I plan to build as the Southern's 25001—I think that was the number in my plan, hah.

I was counting on F&C being at CCB to shop for one the their PRR well hole models

You are correct about Bruce's model.

Bill Welch


Re: New Depressed Center Flatcar from Trainlife

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill, if I recall, these cars were based on WELDED steel cars built much later
than your 1955 time frame. The only HO models of a CAST steel car of 90 ton capacity
for pre-1960 modelers are the Eastern Car Works plastic model, and the Overland brass
import. Walthers also makes a die cast 90 ton car with a longer deck length based on
a later car built for the Soo Line (if I recall correctly). I've seen the Overland
models (which include a load) go for over $400 on Ebay.

Bruce Smith built a gorgeous model using the ECW kit and the Chooch "scotch boiler"
based on an actual photo of a NYC car with that very load.

Tim O'Connor




On page 134 of the new March 2018 is this blurb along with a photo of the model:

"Trainlife has also announced pre-orders of an exclusive-to-them HO scale depressed center flatcar, designed and manufactured by ExactRail. Combining common elements of several depressed center flatcars, this generic model contains General Steel Industries features and is a stand-in for similar depressed center flatcars built for many railroads. Included in the upcoming release are models decorated for TTX, Conrail, Pittsburgh & Lake Erie, New York Central, and Union Pacific MoW."

I know very little about depressed center flats. Hoping someone here can say just how "Generic" this model is and if has any potential for our pre-1960 era? Will it require major surgery or removal of anything? I realize there is just the one photo so what I am asking may be a heavy lift.

Bill Welch


Re: Mystic Terminal Company 70357

Tim O'Connor
 


The entire series 70000-70499 are listed as double sheathed GRAIN box cars in 1940.

Definitely not a refrigerator car.

Tim O'




I�m mystified.
 
That looks like a resheathed USRA double sheathed boxcar. Note the Murphy 5/5/5 ends and a 1919 build date.
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

The caption for this undated photo says this is a refrigerator car but it looks more like a boxcar to me. What caught my eye was the horizontal sheathing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bmrrhs/12832613143/

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