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Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

 

Tim,

The 646 Klasing wheel that TLT did dates from 1949 to the end of production of the malleable wheel and
the gear changed from the D-959 to the 1050 in '52 and to the 1150 in circa '54, and that would be the gear on
cars built in the late '50's. These gears are very different visually. If memory serves, Moloco does the 1150.

Dan Smith


Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

Tim O'Connor
 

Dan

Actually, Klasings of exactly the same style as the TLT were being installed
on brand new cars, Missouri Pacific and Northern Pacific box cars, in 1959 and
1960, respectively.

I don't really care about the gear boxes. The wheels are 10x more interesting.

Tim O'Connor


Of what Tim? If you mean hand brake wheels, there are at least 6 versions of the 646 wheel that I know of that would be installed on the 650 / 950 series of gears. The TLT wheel dates from the late '40's and the RCW wheel is from the late '30's. I have not received my RCW sets yet but I am pretty sure that gear is a D-959.

Dan Smith


Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

 

Tom Madden wrote:
The particular Klasing wheel that RCW offers is the only one with spokes heavy enough to print

Tom and Frank also, there is an earlier Klasing 646 wheel with a solid center hub. Contact me is you want
more info.

Dan Smith


Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Also, Klasing had at least two distinctive styles

Of what Tim? If you mean hand brake wheels, there are at least 6 versions of the 646 wheel that I know of that would be installed on the 650 / 950 series of gears. The TLT wheel dates from the late '40's and the RCW wheel is from the late '30's. I have not received my RCW sets yet but I am pretty sure that gear is a D-959.

Dan Smith


Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

Tom Madden
 

The particular Klasing wheel that RCW offers is the only one with spokes heavy enough to print. The spokes on the others are too fine. It was designed by Frank's son, Patrick.


Tom Madden


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Jim Betz
 

Clark/Gary/all,

  My reference for the date for the front facing goat is non other than
Scott Thompson's "Great Northern Equipment Color Pictorial" (book 1, page 73).
Were there some cars painted in the front facing goat after 1936?
Probably.  Were there very many of them surviving in 1950-51 (the
O.P.'s date of interest)?  I submit "not many" as my answer.
  Can he use some of them on his layout?  Of course he can.  The
questions are "how many?" ... and also "what service was the car in?"
and "what type of car?".  And, of course, the proverbial "it's my RR
and this is what I want to be seeing".  I did not answer "none".

  There is no way, at least that I know of, to "know for sure" what
percentage of cars would still have the front facing goat.  At the
same time - as the percentage goes up the "feel" of the early 50's
is compromised ... more weathering on those cars would
certainly help.
                    - Jim B.


Brake Beams

bill woelfel
 

I am working on a Sunshine ATSF  flat class FT-J and need to install the K brakes. The instructions are unclear as to the brake beams  position..are they on the bottom of the double centersill or in slots cut into the sills? There are no slots in the factory castings.  i've got plenty of online info on the brake rigging but no clue what to do here.. Thanks, Bill Woelfel,, Homewood, Il


Re: Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

Tim O'Connor
 


Wonderful news! If I hadn't bought 16 of the TLT sets in January I would
have ordered some of these. I look forward to more styles. This is a very
promising start!

Also, Klasing had at least two distinctive styles, and many other vendors had
several styles. There are a LOT of possibilities.

Tim O'Connor



This week I received my order of the Resin Car Works Klasing hand brake models.  If anyone is doubting the future of 3-D printed detail parts, this item will change your mind.  The detail and section size are incredible.  They are very comparable to the set that True-Line Trains has produced by other processes.  (I am still wondering if they each model the same prototype.)

I look for more detailed parts coming via this process.  Many more useful things should be  possible if someone takes the time to define the geometry.

Regards from springlike Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh


Klasing Hand Brake from Resin Car works

Schleigh Mike
 

This week I received my order of the Resin Car Works Klasing hand brake models.  If anyone is doubting the future of 3-D printed detail parts, this item will change your mind.  The detail and section size are incredible.  They are very comparable to the set that True-Line Trains has produced by other processes.  (I am still wondering if they each model the same prototype.)

I look for more detailed parts coming via this process.  Many more useful things should be  possible if someone takes the time to define the geometry.

Regards from springlike Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh


Side facing vs. front facing GN Goat heralds was: Re: Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

In Essential Freight Cars 2, Ted Culotta states the 52000-52999 series cars were first delivered with the side facing goat, but I have the same picture of 52075 that you do, and it clearly has a front facing goat. I don't have any other photos of 52000-52999 that aren't repaints, so I don't know if the transition occurred in this series or not. Perhaps Ted has other photos from this series.

I do have a photo of GN 48743 (series 48500-48749), which is an ACF builder's photo, car NEW 2-41, which has a side facing goat. I'm not sure when the first cars from this ACF built series were delivered, perhaps very late 1940/early 1941. Given your information about GN 3380, which would have been repainted by the GN, and the photo of 48743, the best I can do at this time is narrow down the transition from front facing to side facing goats (for freight cars only!) to between November 1940 and February 1941.

When modeling GN boxcars, it is best to work from photos. The GN wasn't always consistent in the application of their lettering. And I'm not sure when the GN first applied side facing goats to steam locomotive tenders or diesel locomotives.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND 


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I have an image of GN 3880, a freshly painted truss rod box car, with the
front facing goat herald, with an 11-1940 date stencil.

I also have an image of GN 52075, one of the modern double sheathed box cars,
and it also has a front facing goat herald with a 1940 built date (can't make
out the month). Also, a 9-1940 photo of freshly built GN 49163.

The latest image I have of a front facing goat is GN 31248, a single sheathed
box car, from 1955.

Were the plywood side box cars the first new cars to be built with the side
facing goat?

Tim O'Connor



Jim,

Maybe Staffan Ehnbom will chime in here, but I'm certain that the first use of the side facing goat herald (on freight cars, at least) is 1940. The interesting thing is that the GN started using a side facing goat herald on brochures and other literature around 1936, but that was years before they used it on freight cars. The first three orders of 45000-52999 series boxcars all received front facing goats, and were built in 1937 and 1939.

FWIW, I have pictures of very weathered front facing goats on GN boxcars into the early 1950s.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Robert Heninger
 

Jim,

Maybe Staffan Ehnbom will chime in here, but I'm certain that the first use of the side facing goat herald (on freight cars, at least) is 1940. The interesting thing is that the GN started using a side facing goat herald on brochures and other literature around 1936, but that was years before they used it on freight cars. The first three orders of 45000-52999 series boxcars all received front facing goats, and were built in 1937 and 1939.

FWIW, I have pictures of very weathered front facing goats on GN boxcars into the early 1950s.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Jim Betz
 

rwilson (please sign your posts),

  The GN stopped using the front facing goat herald in 1936.  So any car that hasn't
been painted since that time would be the only ones.  That number would be
'relatively small'.
  There were many changes over the years between 1936 and 1950 for this to be
true:

       1) All new cars after 1936.
       2) All rebuilt cars after 1936.
       3) All cars retired (for a variety of reasons) after 1936.
       4) Any car that needs to be repainted after 1936.

  My best guess is that there would be some - but very few.  (The same is true
for power and cabeese ... but the percentage of surviving front facing
heralds would be even less.)
- Jim B.

P.S. You may want/need to refer to the following

http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEGNTimeline.htm

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3. GN front facing goat likelihood
Posted by: rwilson1056@... rwilson1056
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:15 pm ((PST))

modeling 1950-1951 what would the likelihood of seeing a front facing on any of GN's fleet at that time

just like the front facing goat herald and really think I'm pushing it in 50-51...


Southern 40-foot Flat Car Photos Requested

golden1014
 

Hi Gentlemen,

I am finishing my Smoky Valley O scale Southern 40-foot flat car model.  This is a straight side-sill, fishbelly-centersill car built in the 1920s. 

The instructions for this car don't include any prototype photos.  Does anyone have a good prototype photo, preferably circa 1949, that you can share so I can finish my model?

Also, so you know what color the trucks should be painted?  Brown or black?

Thanks in advance for you help.

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany

2018 St. Louis RPM: 20-21 July in Collinsville, Illinois http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm


Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Richard Townsend
 

David Leider's Pickle book has a photo of an open-sided Heinz pickle car. The implication in the book is that Heinz did not have any open-sided cars until 1952. So it would appear likely that the open-sided car in the 1923 photo is not a Heinz car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Here's a 1923 image of the School Street yard of the B&O Allegheny BBranch. Click on the image for easier review and to zoom in on the freight cars.

The HJ Heinz plant is less than a mile to the right and served by this branch. Four of five pickle tank cars are the Heinz coffin type cars while one is open. Just beyond the Heinz is a Lutz & Schramm Pickles & Preserves operation...
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
====================

Which means the open car could have been for Lutz, not Heinz. I would actually think that was more likely; you'll note the Heinz car h ave hanging signs attached to a handrail like affair along the centerline of the roof, even though there is plenty of room on the slab sides of the cars, where they chose to simply advertise "pickles." In comparison, the open vat car is all but unmarked, which leads me to think it is NOT a Heinz car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

gary laakso
 

You can go to YouTube and look for “Why Risk Your Life?”, a film made by GN that hales the new streamlined Empire Builder and there are many freight cars with full facing goats. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:40 PM
To: destorzek@... [STMFC]
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN front facing goat likelihood

 

 

Low, but greater than zero. I have a picture of GN 31248 at Colton CA in 1955 (reweigh date 6-52), sporting a front-facing goat.

 

Looks like somebody sold a copy of this photo on eBay recently.

 

-Clark Cooper

 



On Feb 27, 2018, at 7:15 PM, rwilson1056@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

modeling 1950-1951 what would the likelihood of seeing a front facing on any of GN's fleet at that time 
just like the front facing goat herald and really think I'm pushing it in 50-51...

 

 


Re: GN front facing goat likelihood

Clark Cooper
 

Low, but greater than zero. I have a picture of GN 31248 at Colton CA in 1955 (reweigh date 6-52), sporting a front-facing goat.

Looks like somebody sold a copy of this photo on eBay recently.

-Clark Cooper


On Feb 27, 2018, at 7:15 PM, rwilson1056@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

modeling 1950-1951 what would the likelihood of seeing a front facing on any of GN's fleet at that time 
just like the front facing goat herald and really think I'm pushing it in 50-51...




Re: Heinz Pickle Coffin Car AND CRANE

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This shot also has a great image of a stiff-leg derrick in the foreground. Notice the slots in the main post for the cables to pass over sheaves inside those slots. Also, this is a working crane, but even so, the corners of the wood beams have been chamfered.



Schuyler



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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Heinz Pickle Coffin Car





Doug,

Here's an image that is labeled Construction of Vinegar Tank Car but there's an open Coffin Pickle car to view.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3AMSP57.B024.I02



Once the page opens, click on the image to review a better size and to zoom in for a closer look.

I suspect one reason the Heinz cars were not open sided was because the tanks were rectangular, as seen in this image.

I'm glad I have one in my stash of Westerfield kits.



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN







On February 27, 2018 at 7:10 AM "'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:




Allen I have not seen a photo of a Heinz car with an open fra me work and visible vats. The only photos I have seen of Heinz pickle cars were enclosed cars, what are often called “coffin” cars.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170417-hpichswp-0075/from_search/-68

A good source of information and photos is Dave Leider’s book on the pickle industry. http://vinpic.dhke.com/



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org












Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN





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GN front facing goat likelihood

rwilson1056
 

modeling 1950-1951 what would the likelihood of seeing a front facing on any of GN's fleet at that time
just like the front facing goat herald and really think I'm pushing it in 50-51...



Re: Has Anyone Assembled the Laser Kit Pickle Car?

Eric Hansmann
 

---In STMFC@..., Dennis Storzek wrote :

Which means the open car could have been for Lutz, not Heinz. I would actually think that was more likely; you'll note the Heinz car have hanging signs attached to a handrail like affair along the centerline of the roof, even though there is plenty of room on the slab sides of the cars, where they chose to simply advertise "pickles." In comparison, the open vat car is all but unmarked, which leads me to think it is NOT a Heinz car.

 

 

I am thinking along similar lines for this, Dennis. Until recently, I did not know of another Pittsburgh pickle operation. As per a 1922 B&O document, the Lutz & Schramm spur had an eight car loading/unloading capacity.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

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