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Re: Rock Island 2015 Shake-n-Take Automobile Boxcar

James E Kubanick
 

George,

Another great build from your carshop! I especially like this one.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Monday, April 16, 2018 11:43 AM, Bill Keene <bill41@...> wrote:


George,

Very impressive modeling. Thank you for sharing the images. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 16, 2018, at 5:09 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Hello attached are a couple photos of my recently completed Rock Island Automobile Car in paint. It is from the 2015 Shake-n-Take in Coco Beach. My version uses a scratch built underframe as my resin casting was badly warped. This was truly a fun project. Thanks to the folks who put this project together.
George Toman <P1050363.JPG><P1050373.JPG>




Re: Test with an attached photo

tmkprr1954
 

Very nice work all!  Attachments came through fine.

Tom Kane
Reston, Va
PRR 1954


Re: Robert Hundman's contact info

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes, Hopefully I can stay awake that long!!!

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:39 PM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Remember Bob is way out in Washington time wise.


Al Kresse

On April 16, 2018 at 12:18 PM Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I'll send you a note off list, Bob is totally old school, you have to use a phone. 

Curt Fortenberry




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Cataracts and color perception

Tom Madden
 

When I said "garish", I was thinking of how models you painted before the cataracts were removed appeared to you afterwards.

Tom Madden


Re: Test with an attached photo

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Richard,
 
Test satisfactory, and a very nice looking boxcar too.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532
 

From: Richard Scott
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:41 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Test with an attached photo
 
This is a test message with an attached photo.
 
Dick Scott
 


Re: Robert Hundman's contact info

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Remember Bob is way out in Washington time wise.


Al Kresse

On April 16, 2018 at 12:18 PM Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I'll send you a note off list, Bob is totally old school, you have to use a phone. 

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Cataracts and color perception

Charles Peck
 

I also had my eyes done some time apart.  In between, one eye had the sky a bit overcast when the other
showed as clear blue.  After both I would not say any colors were garish, just a lot more saturated
like a really good color photograph.  Flowers had 'zing' again. 
Chuck Peck still in Florida 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Richard Stern <rjs8@...> wrote:
For me all colors were more intense.  I had eyes done a month apart so I had a good comparison.  I'd say most difference was in greens and blues. Lots of colors had shifted to brownish pre surgery.   No colors were garish post surgery.





Re: The rules of the STMFC and RealSTMFC

Scott Kremer
 

On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Mikebrock <brockm@...> wrote:
This group has been a significant aid to my hobby for a long time. i look forward to the change with a continuing sharing information about this subject. Modeling the GN in the fifties as accurately as I can, including freight cars.

Scott Kremer
skremer@...


Re: The rules of the STMFC and RealSTMFC

Jim Betz
 

Garth and Mike,

  If you have an image that you don't have/know the owner/rights of ... why not
post it to some 'personal web space' (such as flickr or other such service) and
simply provide a link to it here?

  Doesn't this take RealSTMFC off the hook and allow the sharing? 
                                                                                                              - Jim B.


Re: Cataracts and color perception

Richard Stern
 

For me all colors were more intense. I had eyes done a month apart so I had a good comparison. I'd say most difference was in greens and blues. Lots of colors had shifted to brownish pre surgery. No colors were garish post surgery.


Re: The rules of the STMFC and RealSTMFC

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Mike,

A clarification on photos please. Your rules do not address old photos/negatives from our personal collections by unknown photographers. A Will Whittaker photo is one thing (for example), but an accidental shot of a boxcar taken 60 years before the print turned up in a pile family snapshots at a local antiques mall is something else entirely.
I know that technically the intellectual property still resides with the creator, his/her heirs or his/her assigns, but in many cases there is no way to trace this, the photographer may likely be deceased, and nobody is left to care. I'm sure you too have such photos in your personal collection. How are we to handle these if we want to post them to the group? Would something like "Collection of Garth Groff, original photographer unknown" be acceptable?

I don't want to stir up a lot of chatter about intellectual rights, but this is a valid question for you to address.

Thanks much.


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/16/18 1:07 PM, Mikebrock wrote:

. . .  Placing photos in the file space involves issues associated with copyright and property rights. Members are allowed to upload photos into the file and/or photo spaces but only those photos that the members took themselves or those for which they have permission from the photo seller or other source to present on the internet for public consumption. Members are expected to obtain by themselves the necessary permissions. Failure to do so could result in the member being excluded from using the file and photo spaces. All photos placed in the file space are for personal use only by members of the STMFC and any rights for other usage must be negotiated with the party holding rights to the photo's usage. Photos placed in the STMFC file space must include in the description the source of the photo. The STMFPH is an associated group used to provide additional storage space and the same conditions apply to photo activity in that group. Announcements of steam era frt car related items for sell are permitted BUT actual lists of items should be made available from the seller upon request rather than in the message. Announcements of such sells should be kept at a minimum. The primary objective of the group is to exchange information concerning the subject . . . .

Mike Brock

STMFC and RealSTMFC Owner



Re: Accurail Nickel Plate Rebuilt Hopper Kitbash

Ray Breyer
 

>>On Monday, April 16, 2018, 12:02:42 PM CDT, Paolo Roffo <paolo.roffo@...> wrote:
>>Would these have travelled off-line much by the 1950s?  Or were they mostly relegated to company 
>>service and other niche uses by then?
>>Paolo



Hi Paolo, 

Although they do seem to have been the cars of choice to haul NKP company coal and ash, they were regular service hoppers just like any other car in their fleet. They show up regularly in Wheeling Division train photos, and I have a color photo of one in a Seaboard train in Sewell's Point VA, circa 1956. There were still 972 of these cars on the roster in 1959, representing 12% of their hopper fleet.

Keep in mind that the bulk of these cars weren't rebuilt into all-steel cars until the 1950-1954 period. If they were going to stay in company service they probably wouldn't have been rebuilt at all. The N&W didn't have a use for the cars, and they were scrapped quickly after the N&W takeover.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




Re: Cataracts and color perception

 

Tom - Went to dinner with Wayne Wesolowski the other night. After his cataracts were removed he no longer had to rely on his wife for color matching. He was also able to determine the difference between dark blue and black for the first time. All W 


On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io
<pullmanboss@...> wrote:

Oh no! Not the color topic again!

Last Friday I was evaluated for cataract surgery, and the surgeon mentioned that my cataracts have me seeing everything through a yellow filter. Looking through previous STMFC color discussions several of you mentioned that after cataract surgery colors were "different", but no references to how they shifted. I remember going through a museum on the outskirts of Paris some years ago where many of Monet's later paintings were displayed, His late-life color palette was dominated by intense reds and yellows to the point of garishness, while earlier it was blues and greens. The docent mentioned that Monet developed severe cataracts later in life and it affected how he saw colors.

Considering how prominent reds are in our steam era freight car fleet, did any of you who have had cataract surgery find that your models looked "too red" (or too garish) afterwards?

Tom Madden, surgery in early July, both eyes


The rules of the STMFC and RealSTMFC

Mikebrock
 

ADMIN: Please pardon  the following set of rules which governs the operation of the STMFC…both the Yahoo form and that of Groups.io. I would have preferred to have simply sent the rules to individuals requesting membership in Groups.io but the time to respond became a problem and requests were canceling because of the 14 day response time. To those requesting membership in the RealSTMFC that have been cancelled due to timing out, I would ask ypu to apply again and I promise that you will be approved immediately. Transition to groups.io has not been as “smooth” as I would have liked….and there will likely be changes as we go forward.

Therefore, the set of rules will be sent to the entire RealSTMFC and those applying for membership will be approved regardless of their reading of the rules. However, I will emphasize that the reason for sending the rules to the group is for members to follow them.

“The STMFC operates a bit differently from some groups so I urge you to read and study the following information before implementing the steps needed to join. The objectives include the sharing of information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in the period 1900-1960 inclusive including their operation, distribution and the various techniques of building models of them. Discussions about the cargos of freight cars are permitted but only as they are directly associated with freight cars. Emphasis is to be placed on the study of the prototype with a goal of producing models of them with as great a degree of accuracy as possible. It should be noted that discussions by the group's members includes questions and answers regarding the group's subject. However, it should also be noted that the group is not to be considered necessarily as a library with its members prepared to respond to questions or acting as sources for information. Such responses are entirely voluntary and at no time is any group member obligated to respond to a request for information.

In fact, the group is not a good vehicle to transmit large amounts of information. The group is a good vehicle, however, to provide guidance as to where a member might find information. Announcements about prototype modeling events are within scope but such announcements will be made no sooner than 3 months prior to the event. Personal attacks about other members, manufacturers or prototype modeling events is expressly prohibited and may result in expulsion from the group. Members are expected to conduct themselves in a gentlemanly manner. Personal attacks on anyone including non members is not permitted. Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group. ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly prohibited. Threads or subjects may be terminated only by myself or my representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects. All references to politics or political views are prohibited.

 Placing photos in the file space involves issues associated with copyright and property rights. Members are allowed to upload photos into the file and/or photo spaces but only those photos that the members took themselves or those for which they have permission from the photo seller or other source to present on the internet for public consumption. Members are expected to obtain by themselves the necessary permissions. Failure to do so could result in the member being excluded from using the file and photo spaces. All photos placed in the file space are for personal use only by members of the STMFC and any rights for other usage must be negotiated with the party holding rights to the photo's usage. Photos placed in the STMFC file space must include in the description the source of the photo. The STMFPH is an associated group used to provide additional storage space and the same conditions apply to photo activity in that group. Announcements of steam era frt car related items for sell are permitted BUT actual lists of items should be made available from the seller upon request rather than in the message. Announcements of such sells should be kept at a minimum. The primary objective of the group is to exchange information concerning the subject.

Messages regarding the selling of products associated with freight cars as part of a commercial enterprise must be sent during the period of noon Friday EST and Sunday midnight EST.

Each seller is allowed one message unless a correction is needed. Seller messages MUST include OFF GROUP addresses for replies. Replies by members to seller messages MUST be OFF GROUP.

Selling messages MUST include a statement that replies MUST be OFF GROUP and must include an Email address to which responders can reply to. This address should use the term "AT" instead of the "@" sign to ensure that the address is not edited by Yahoo. The reply must be sent to the email address including the "@" sign and NOT to the STMFC.

Repliers are free to use any reply technique as long as it replies to the message writer's email address and not that of the STMFC.

Members must sign messages with their full names. If the member's address IS their full name exactly [ to the left of an @ sign ] or simply their full name, that is acceptable as a signature.

Members may at any time bring any matter relating to the STMFC to me privately for consideration.

I hope you enjoy participating in discussions with the group. The study of frt cars and the modeling of them are ongoing processes and while pursuing them remember that no question or observation is unimportant or "dumb".

If the group appears to be a good fit for you, please send me your name, Email address and primary areas of interest.

Also, if you don't mind, how

did you find out about the STMFC? Thanks.”

Mike Brock

STMFC and RealSTMFC Owner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Accurail Nickel Plate Rebuilt Hopper Kitbash

Paolo Roffo
 

Would these have travelled off-line much by the 1950s?  Or were they mostly relegated to company service and other niche uses by then?

Paolo


Cataracts and color perception

Tom Madden
 

Oh no! Not the color topic again!

Last Friday I was evaluated for cataract surgery, and the surgeon mentioned that my cataracts have me seeing everything through a yellow filter. Looking through previous STMFC color discussions several of you mentioned that after cataract surgery colors were "different", but no references to how they shifted. I remember going through a museum on the outskirts of Paris some years ago where many of Monet's later paintings were displayed, His late-life color palette was dominated by intense reds and yellows to the point of garishness, while earlier it was blues and greens. The docent mentioned that Monet developed severe cataracts later in life and it affected how he saw colors.

Considering how prominent reds are in our steam era freight car fleet, did any of you who have had cataract surgery find that your models looked "too red" (or too garish) afterwards?

Tom Madden, surgery in early July, both eyes


Re: Robert Hundman's contact info

Curt Fortenberry
 


I'll send you a note off list, Bob is totally old school, you have to use a phone. 

Curt Fortenberry


HELLO & NICE PHOTO

Bill Keene
 

Hello Group,

This is the initial e-mail per the groups.io requirements. My experience with groups.io has been quite good.

Also, I did receive the DL&W hopper car photo and it came through as an imbedded attachment.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


Re: Test with an attached photo

Bill Keene
 

Dick,

Photo came through in grand style. Really like the W of A boxcar. 

I have to ask… what did you do / use to weather your track to that wonderful rust color?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Richard Scott <rlscott5709@...> wrote:

This is a test message with an attached photo.

Dick Scott

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Re: Rock Island 2015 Shake-n-Take Automobile Boxcar

Bill Keene
 

George,

Very impressive modeling. Thank you for sharing the images. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Apr 16, 2018, at 5:09 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

Hello attached are a couple photos of my recently completed Rock Island Automobile Car in paint. It is from the 2015 Shake-n-Take in Coco Beach. My version uses a scratch built underframe as my resin casting was badly warped. This was truly a fun project. Thanks to the folks who put this project together.
George Toman <P1050363.JPG><P1050373.JPG>

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