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M-K-T War Emergency Composite Boxcar 79001-79157 & Whittl’in Styrene

Bill Welch
 

In 1943 with the permission of the War Production Board the M-K-T began building what essentially was an 40-foot eight-panel Pratt-Trussed War Emergency boxcar using the fishbelly centersill equipped underframe salvaged from a group of August 1923 built General American refrigerator cars. Eventually production would reach as many as eight new boxcars a day in the Denison, TX Car Shops until they had built 157 modern composite cars in the 79001–79157 series. Initially the car were painted “Sloan Yellow” but someone is helping me determine if all were painted this way or if some may have been some shade of boxcar red/brown. The KATY used Oregon fir for the side sheathing and pine for the floors. (Reference September 2010 “The Katy Flyer”)

I was able to score two undecorated unassembled kits from other modelers because I wanted to try to model one the Katy’s cars along with a Wabash WE version. Recently I started whittl’in on one of the bodies beginning with trying to remove the two diagonal braces on each end panel and then re-scribing the lines between the boards to match what was modeling in. I am happy with the results especially since I did not create any gouges. I then used some #600 sanding pads I purchased recently from one of the several overseas hobby suppliers I have been funding recently as I accumulate a lot of aftermarket 1/35 M4 Sherman bling. Then I started removing the Tab and Flange material along the sill. A real complication in trying to model these cars is that there were no plates covering the vertical and diagonal braces where the meet along the bottom of the sides. I have carved two so far, literally slicing small sections repeatedly until the slices start falling out. I am taking my time with this, doing only a little bit at each sitting, as it is tedious and tiring. Eventually all of the material along the sill will be removed including the existing door track or guide.

The door has been shortened slightly by removing the flange across the top so that it appears the flange is under the upper door track. This is actually the arrangement on the prototype and will permit me to run the lower door track across the braces as on the prototype. I also modified the false ends on the body to allow me to use the IMWX/ Red Caboose version of the Murphy Paneled roof.

Stayed tuned as I progress.

Bill Welch

Auto car end doors

Richard Townsend
 

Auto car end doors have a heavy vertical member in the center at the joint between the two doors. Looking at the car end from outside the car, which door is the vertical member attached to? In other words, when someone swings the doors open, which one does the vertical member go with? The left or the right?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Richard Townsend
 

Yarmouth Model Works: http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/BrowseAll

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
To: RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Hi Guys,
 
I recently saw a message from this group, I think, that included a link to a source for some really nice looking cast ends for an automobile boxcar with end doors, some beautiful etched brass ladders, and other apparently very well done HO FC parts.  Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to relocate that message, and I have no idea what the subject might have been.
 
Does anyone recall that message or the source of those parts?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

Re: HO Scale C&S XM-32 Boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

I'm late to the game, but Yarmouth Model Works has the right doors. Part 7552D.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
To: RealSTMFC <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2018 4:11 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale C&S XM-32 Boxcar

Hi All,

Anyone know where to get an HO scale 5 panel Superior door for this car? Preferably tackboadless door.

Photo Reference:



Thanks,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: For Sale - GN Westerfield HO

James L. Jeffery
 





Group

    I have for sale (11) Westerfield GN 40' and 50' wood freight and automobile car kits.  (2) are SP&S kits.

    Kits are $35.00 less trucks and couplers. Postage actual. Money orders only.

If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at -- jimj2100@... for detailed information.

 


Thanks,

 

Jim Jeffery

      Puyallup, WA


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Re: More Photos Uploaded

Dave Parker
 

Thanks Garth.

Looks like a road trip may be in order when I am back in MA next month.  I look forward to seeing your Tilton photos also.  Surviving wooden box cars from the B&M are like hen's teeth.  There are a few well-preserved cabooses, but more examples would not hurt.

Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Photos Added

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion. While agree your idea is tidier, some people may enjoy searching/browsing by road or subject, and such photos would otherwise be lost under a name. I suppose if there are too many albums we will have to do this. This is something our moderators might want to address, and better now than when it becomes a bigger problem. If this is how they, or the group, prefer to do things, I will certainly adapt. This whole change is a learning experience for all of us.

I knew the pagination would change (possibly even today!), which is why said, "They currently live on page 17." ;-)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/20/18 3:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Seems to me that as long as the albums are in alphabetical order, the best plan is to give the albums
your own name and to put ALL of your photos in that album. Over the years that seems like a very good
way to keep track of them, and to be able to tell people where to find them. (For example that "page 17"
could change very soon, making your email unusable for future reference.)

Tim O'Connor
I have just uploaded seven photos of steam-era cars still in maintenance service on the Shenandoah Valley Railway
in Virginia. They currently live on page 17 of the contributed photos section. Garth Groff

HO scale AC&F Type 27 8K gallon insulated tank car kit

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works announces a new tank car kit! Check out our blog for more details and links to the website.

 

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-kit-release/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Guys,
 
I recently saw a message from this group, I think, that included a link to a source for some really nice looking cast ends for an automobile boxcar with end doors, some beautiful etched brass ladders, and other apparently very well done HO FC parts.  Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to relocate that message, and I have no idea what the subject might have been.
 
Does anyone recall that message or the source of those parts?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

Re: Photos Added

Tim O'Connor
 


Seems to me that as long as the albums are in alphabetical order, the best plan is to give the albums
your own name and to put ALL of your photos in that album. Over the years that seems like a very good
way to keep track of them, and to be able to tell people where to find them. (For example that "page 17"
could change very soon, making your email unusable for future reference.)

Tim O'Connor


I have just uploaded seven photos of steam-era cars still in maintenance service on the Shenandoah Valley Railway
in Virginia. They currently live on page 17 of the contributed photos section. Garth Groff

Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Stuart Forsyth
 

When did these come into use?

Stuart A. Forsyth

On Apr 20, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Jerome (Jerry) Albin <jeralbin@...> wrote:

Bob,
 The recording thermometer was placed in cartons or boxes of produce. The thermometer used was known as a maximum reading type, that is, the liquid in the thermometer went up with a increase in temperature but did not go down when the temperature when down. Think of a fever thermometer.  This feature allowed the car line and shipper know what maximum temperature was experienced by the product being shipped. Regards...Jerry Albin

Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

Bob,
 The recording thermometer was placed in cartons or boxes of produce. The thermometer used was known as a maximum reading type, that is, the liquid in the thermometer went up with a increase in temperature but did not go down when the temperature when down. Think of a fever thermometer.  This feature allowed the car line and shipper know what maximum temperature was experienced by the product being shipped. Regards...Jerry Albin

Re: More Photos Uploaded

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave,

AFAIK, the boxcar is still at Clark's Trading Post. The Hobo Railroad and the train at the Trading Post are two separate operations, and the Trading Post does not even have a track connection. Curiously, both operations are associated with the different branches of the Clark family (or so I believe), but are separate entities.

Here's Clark's web site for the train ride: http://www.clarkstradingpost.com/attractionsTrain.php . Their usual locomotive is a lovely little wood burning Climax.

The Hobo Railroad is also operates the Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroad (which keeps changing its name) between Meredith and Weirs Beach. They formerly operated another tourist train out of Tilton, NH, all on the same former B&M branch (Concord to Lincoln). There is a bunch of equipment at Tilton, mostly privately-owned cabooses used as summer homes, but also another B&M wooden boxcar and a snowplow. I will post those photos shortly.

The Hobo Railroad does have some freight equipment stashed in a yard behind some commercial buildings just across from the entrance to their property. Most of what's there are old RDC cars being saved for future restoration (but that's a topic for another group).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/20/18 10:55 AM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Garth:

I agree; the WMC 68196 box car looks like a B&M shorty, the variant with the New Haven style underframe and rebuilt with 7/7 Murphy ends.  I know of no other surviving examples of these cars.

Do you have any idea what became of this car?   A quick search of the WWW suggests that the excursion train out of Lincoln NH is now the  Hobo Railroad, but I can find no freight cars on their current roster.

Great photo; thanks!

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Keep those paint blisters!

Dennis Storzek
 

"It's a reefer."

Most likely a Mather reefer, note the steel posts showing below the wood siding, and the round rod sill step, a sure Mather spotting feature.

Dennis Storzek

Re: More Photos Uploaded

Dave Parker
 

Garth:

I agree; the WMC 68196 box car looks like a B&M shorty, the variant with the New Haven style underframe and rebuilt with 7/7 Murphy ends.  I know of no other surviving examples of these cars.

Do you have any idea what became of this car?   A quick search of the WWW suggests that the excursion train out of Lincoln NH is now the  Hobo Railroad, but I can find no freight cars on their current roster.

Great photo; thanks!

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

More Photos Uploaded

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I have created several more photo albums with some steam era goodies for your pleasure.

"GM&O 13208" is a one-off with a grab shot of a rare 40' fishbelly gondola.

"Yolo Shortline" features a steam-era boxcar in MW service and several views of an ex-MKT transfer caboose. I should be able to add some other YSL equipment photos when I get them scanned up.

"Clark's Trading Post" contains some 1950s-era boxcars from the post-period Green Mountain, now used for storage, and what I think is an ex-B&M wood sheathed boxcar.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Photos Added

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I have just uploaded seven photos of steam-era cars still in maintenance service on the Shenandoah Valley Railway in Virginia. They currently live on page 17 of the contributed photos section.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Re: Test msg with large photo

George Corral
 


<Jeff Aley said:

<This message has (had?) a 3264 x 1552 pixel, 560KB grayscale image attached.   I wonder what Groups.io will do with it.

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Jeff, it came through as an attachment and I can open and enlarge it.

George Corral
La Grange, KY

Re: Keep those paint blisters!

Bill Vaughn
 

It's a reefer.

Bill Vaughn

PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Bob Chaparro
 

This tag is self explanatory as to purpose:

 

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hBYAAOSw64ha1jX5/s-l1600.jpg

 

Does anyone know more about its history and use?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA