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Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

Tim O'Connor
 

This evening has been a real education in the strengths and weaknesses of RealSTMFC photo albums.
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff


Garth it is NOT the web site. Remember, a browser is a program running on your computer. In order for
a browser to display all of the photos at once, it has to LOAD them all into its own memory first. When it
encounters an album of giant TIFF files that is a great deal of work and memory to consume - and it may
not be smart enough to figure out how to display them on your screen by turning them all into thumbnail
images and arranging them to fit. (My Eudora email software has a similar problem when people imbed images
larger than my 1920x1080 pixel display.)

There is really no purpose or value in using uncompressed formats for simple image sharing. Most of us can
see plenty of useful detail in a typical 1920x1080 pixel image that is compressed in JPEG format.

I clicked on the first TIFF file in your album - 3.5 Megabytes. I downloaded it to my desktop - which took
less than 2 seconds. Then I imported it into Photoshop and saved it as a JPEG, which reduced the size of
the file by 2/3 (I used absolute minimum compression - I could have saved it much smaller than that.)

On my screen, using the Microsoft image viewer, when I flip back and forth from the TIFF to the JPEG, there
is literally NO detectable difference to my eye between the two images.

Tim O'Connor

Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

Douglas Harding
 

Garth appreciate the comments. I noticed the “blank” images in your album were tif files. I actually had to download them to see them. I used Chrome, which may be the issue. The Yahoo site would not accept tif files in the photos section. I also noticed there was no way to search for an album name. I had to scroll through all the albums until I found the one labeled “Garth Groff’s Album”. Sounds like groups.io is not as user friendly as we had hoped.

 

I also wonder who or how is the fee being paid to allow for more than 1GB for group space, which we have already exceeded.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: RealSTMFC@groups.io [mailto:RealSTMFC@groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 8:56 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RealSTMFC Photo Album

 

Friends,

This evening has been a real education in the strengths and weaknesses of RealSTMFC photo albums.

I learned that uploading is really, really, really slow. All of my photos are scaled to 5 X 7 inches on my computer. Color photos are set at 200 dpi for a total of 3.5 MB. They take about 3 1/2 minutes to load to the RealSTMFC. Grayscale photos are at 300 dpi and total 2.7 MB. These take about 2 1/2 minutes. Trying to load two photos at once caused the site to choke, and after 10 minutes I aborted the load and did them again individually. I could make the photos smaller, but that would involve editing them, and then unediting, since I want to keep them as 5 X 7s for printing on photo paper.

Following Tim's suggestion, I took down my individual pages, and consolidated most of my stuff into "Garth Groff's Album 1". There are 25 images here, but many of them take forever to display as thumbnails (very big thumbs indeed). They can be individually opened by clicking on the blank space if the picture isn't displaying. I have no idea how many megabytes I used up with 25 photos, but it is obviously too much for the site to display all at once. I had overlooked my Shenandoah Valley photos earlier today (good thing!), so I renamed them "Garth Groff's Album 2". In the future, I will limit album contents to 10-12 photos.

Each time I step back, RealSTMFC takes me back to a new album page with blank thumbnails, and the slow loading begins again.

When I browsed and selected a photo to upload, RealSTMFC used the name of the file as the title along the bottom edge. Not very helpful, so I rewrote the descriptions to include location, date (sort of) and other information. It certainly makes browsing easier. Once a photo loaded, I couldn't change the description unless I deleted the photo and started over. Most punctuation at first was replaced by underlines, but when the photos finished loading the punctuation was restored. Photos that already existed in either album are not renamed, and will have to be reloaded to rename them. SVR is not as intelligible as Shenandoah Valley Railroad. There is a place to put the original photo date which shows after clicking on a thumbnail, but I didn't notice any other space for comments at the individual photo level. That's why I am trying to cram as much information as possible into the photo title.

AFAIK, there is no way to transfer photos from one album to another. Most of the pictures I loaded earlier today, or their whole album, had to be deleted and the photos re-uploaded to get them where I wanted.

While there are a lot of limitations, the new photo pages seem to work better (for me, at least) than the old Yahoo photo files. Although I got into the photo section a few times, I was later blocked from even viewing them and was told my password was bogus. I could get to the administrative section with my email address and password without any trouble. I think my passwords were too short when Yahoo upped their game. I had my passwords written down, so they changed something that blocked me.

From today's experience, and helpful comments from several of you, I will continue loading photos that hopefully will be of interest or useful later for reference by members. I'm eyeing a number of tank cars which will likely make an album by themselves. Rest assured I have no intention of hogging all the space. :-[

So in summary, what I already had in Album 1 was several WP AC&F Type 7 tank cars. To this I added photos of freight cars preserved at Clark's Trading Post in New Hampshire (including an ex-B&M DS boxcar); and photos of some cabooses, another B&M DS boxcar and plow preserved at Tilton, NH. The GM&O 40-foot fishbelly gondola is there too. Album 2 has the Shenandoah Valley boxcar and their 50' flat. I hope you enjoy browsing my photos and find at least some useful.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

RealSTMFC Photo Album

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This evening has been a real education in the strengths and weaknesses of RealSTMFC photo albums.

I learned that uploading is really, really, really slow. All of my photos are scaled to 5 X 7 inches on my computer. Color photos are set at 200 dpi for a total of 3.5 MB. They take about 3 1/2 minutes to load to the RealSTMFC. Grayscale photos are at 300 dpi and total 2.7 MB. These take about 2 1/2 minutes. Trying to load two photos at once caused the site to choke, and after 10 minutes I aborted the load and did them again individually. I could make the photos smaller, but that would involve editing them, and then unediting, since I want to keep them as 5 X 7s for printing on photo paper.

Following Tim's suggestion, I took down my individual pages, and consolidated most of my stuff into "Garth Groff's Album 1". There are 25 images here, but many of them take forever to display as thumbnails (very big thumbs indeed). They can be individually opened by clicking on the blank space if the picture isn't displaying. I have no idea how many megabytes I used up with 25 photos, but it is obviously too much for the site to display all at once. I had overlooked my Shenandoah Valley photos earlier today (good thing!), so I renamed them "Garth Groff's Album 2". In the future, I will limit album contents to 10-12 photos.

Each time I step back, RealSTMFC takes me back to a new album page with blank thumbnails, and the slow loading begins again.

When I browsed and selected a photo to upload, RealSTMFC used the name of the file as the title along the bottom edge. Not very helpful, so I rewrote the descriptions to include location, date (sort of) and other information. It certainly makes browsing easier. Once a photo loaded, I couldn't change the description unless I deleted the photo and started over. Most punctuation at first was replaced by underlines, but when the photos finished loading the punctuation was restored. Photos that already existed in either album are not renamed, and will have to be reloaded to rename them. SVR is not as intelligible as Shenandoah Valley Railroad. There is a place to put the original photo date which shows after clicking on a thumbnail, but I didn't notice any other space for comments at the individual photo level. That's why I am trying to cram as much information as possible into the photo title.

AFAIK, there is no way to transfer photos from one album to another. Most of the pictures I loaded earlier today, or their whole album, had to be deleted and the photos re-uploaded to get them where I wanted.

While there are a lot of limitations, the new photo pages seem to work better (for me, at least) than the old Yahoo photo files. Although I got into the photo section a few times, I was later blocked from even viewing them and was told my password was bogus. I could get to the administrative section with my email address and password without any trouble. I think my passwords were too short when Yahoo upped their game. I had my passwords written down, so they changed something that blocked me.

From today's experience, and helpful comments from several of you, I will continue loading photos that hopefully will be of interest or useful later for reference by members. I'm eyeing a number of tank cars which will likely make an album by themselves. Rest assured I have no intention of hogging all the space. :-[

So in summary, what I already had in Album 1 was several WP AC&F Type 7 tank cars. To this I added photos of freight cars preserved at Clark's Trading Post in New Hampshire (including an ex-B&M DS boxcar); and photos of some cabooses,
another B&M DS boxcar and plow preserved at Tilton, NH. The GM&O 40-foot fishbelly gondola is there too. Album 2 has the Shenandoah Valley boxcar and their 50' flat. I hope you enjoy browsing my photos and find at least some useful.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Re: More Photos Uploaded

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave and Friends,

I'm uploading the Tilton photos right now. The last two should be up in five minutes. I took Tim's suggestion, and all my photos are now in "Garth Groff's Album". This is not all I have on Tilton, but the rest are still on unscanned negatives. They will have to wait for another day.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/20/18 5:11 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Thanks Garth.

Looks like a road trip may be in order when I am back in MA next month.  I look forward to seeing your Tilton photos also.  Surviving wooden box cars from the B&M are like hen's teeth.  There are a few well-preserved cabooses, but more examples would not hurt.

Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Accurail acquired Rib Side Cars tooling

gtws00
 

Dennis,
I have about 6 or 7 or the kits and will scan and send your way.
I can also put these in the file section if anyone wants them
George Toman

Re: Accurail acquired Rib Side Cars tooling

John Barry
 

Dennis,

I have several, 4162, 4261, 422X, Would those help?

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail acquired Rib Side Cars tooling

Time for an update...

I have just now finished inspecting and identifying all the alternate inserts, and finally pulled the big four slide mold open to see what was installed. I can now definitely state that ALL the tooling that George Schmidt created still exists, unmodified. The rumor that he had existing inserts re-cut to make his later products is unfounded.

Yet to be decided is which kits are going in the Accurail line, but the tooling for cars we don't re-release is going to sit on the shelf, where it could be available for custom runs.

Does anyone happen to have any of the old Rib Side Cars instruction sheets? Drawing an assembly drawing is going to be a pain, far easier to adapt a scan of the old sheets. If they say Copyright Rib Side Cars, we now own the rights, so no problem there.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Accurail acquired Rib Side Cars tooling

Dennis Storzek
 

Time for an update...

I have just now finished inspecting and identifying all the alternate inserts, and finally pulled the big four slide mold open to see what was installed. I can now definitely state that ALL the tooling that George Schmidt created still exists, unmodified. The rumor that he had existing inserts re-cut to make his later products is unfounded.

Yet to be decided is which kits are going in the Accurail line, but the tooling for cars we don't re-release is going to sit on the shelf, where it could be available for custom runs.

Does anyone happen to have any of the old Rib Side Cars instruction sheets? Drawing an assembly drawing is going to be a pain, far easier to adapt a scan of the old sheets. If they say Copyright Rib Side Cars, we now own the rights, so no problem there.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.

M-K-T War Emergency Composite Boxcar 79001-79157 & Whittl’in Styrene

Bill Welch
 

In 1943 with the permission of the War Production Board the M-K-T began building what essentially was an 40-foot eight-panel Pratt-Trussed War Emergency boxcar using the fishbelly centersill equipped underframe salvaged from a group of August 1923 built General American refrigerator cars. Eventually production would reach as many as eight new boxcars a day in the Denison, TX Car Shops until they had built 157 modern composite cars in the 79001–79157 series. Initially the car were painted “Sloan Yellow” but someone is helping me determine if all were painted this way or if some may have been some shade of boxcar red/brown. The KATY used Oregon fir for the side sheathing and pine for the floors. (Reference September 2010 “The Katy Flyer”)

I was able to score two undecorated unassembled kits from other modelers because I wanted to try to model one the Katy’s cars along with a Wabash WE version. Recently I started whittl’in on one of the bodies beginning with trying to remove the two diagonal braces on each end panel and then re-scribing the lines between the boards to match what was modeling in. I am happy with the results especially since I did not create any gouges. I then used some #600 sanding pads I purchased recently from one of the several overseas hobby suppliers I have been funding recently as I accumulate a lot of aftermarket 1/35 M4 Sherman bling. Then I started removing the Tab and Flange material along the sill. A real complication in trying to model these cars is that there were no plates covering the vertical and diagonal braces where the meet along the bottom of the sides. I have carved two so far, literally slicing small sections repeatedly until the slices start falling out. I am taking my time with this, doing only a little bit at each sitting, as it is tedious and tiring. Eventually all of the material along the sill will be removed including the existing door track or guide.

The door has been shortened slightly by removing the flange across the top so that it appears the flange is under the upper door track. This is actually the arrangement on the prototype and will permit me to run the lower door track across the braces as on the prototype. I also modified the false ends on the body to allow me to use the IMWX/ Red Caboose version of the Murphy Paneled roof.

Stayed tuned as I progress.

Bill Welch

Auto car end doors

Richard Townsend
 

Auto car end doors have a heavy vertical member in the center at the joint between the two doors. Looking at the car end from outside the car, which door is the vertical member attached to? In other words, when someone swings the doors open, which one does the vertical member go with? The left or the right?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Richard Townsend
 

Yarmouth Model Works: http://www.yarmouthmodelworks.com/index.php/ModelDetailParts/BrowseAll

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
To: RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Hi Guys,
 
I recently saw a message from this group, I think, that included a link to a source for some really nice looking cast ends for an automobile boxcar with end doors, some beautiful etched brass ladders, and other apparently very well done HO FC parts.  Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to relocate that message, and I have no idea what the subject might have been.
 
Does anyone recall that message or the source of those parts?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

Re: HO Scale C&S XM-32 Boxcar

Richard Townsend
 

I'm late to the game, but Yarmouth Model Works has the right doors. Part 7552D.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
To: RealSTMFC <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2018 4:11 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale C&S XM-32 Boxcar

Hi All,

Anyone know where to get an HO scale 5 panel Superior door for this car? Preferably tackboadless door.

Photo Reference:



Thanks,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: For Sale - GN Westerfield HO

James L. Jeffery
 





Group

    I have for sale (11) Westerfield GN 40' and 50' wood freight and automobile car kits.  (2) are SP&S kits.

    Kits are $35.00 less trucks and couplers. Postage actual. Money orders only.

If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at -- jimj2100@... for detailed information.

 


Thanks,

 

Jim Jeffery

      Puyallup, WA


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Re: More Photos Uploaded

Dave Parker
 

Thanks Garth.

Looks like a road trip may be in order when I am back in MA next month.  I look forward to seeing your Tilton photos also.  Surviving wooden box cars from the B&M are like hen's teeth.  There are a few well-preserved cabooses, but more examples would not hurt.

Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Photos Added

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

Thanks for the suggestion. While agree your idea is tidier, some people may enjoy searching/browsing by road or subject, and such photos would otherwise be lost under a name. I suppose if there are too many albums we will have to do this. This is something our moderators might want to address, and better now than when it becomes a bigger problem. If this is how they, or the group, prefer to do things, I will certainly adapt. This whole change is a learning experience for all of us.

I knew the pagination would change (possibly even today!), which is why said, "They currently live on page 17." ;-)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/20/18 3:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Seems to me that as long as the albums are in alphabetical order, the best plan is to give the albums
your own name and to put ALL of your photos in that album. Over the years that seems like a very good
way to keep track of them, and to be able to tell people where to find them. (For example that "page 17"
could change very soon, making your email unusable for future reference.)

Tim O'Connor
I have just uploaded seven photos of steam-era cars still in maintenance service on the Shenandoah Valley Railway
in Virginia. They currently live on page 17 of the contributed photos section. Garth Groff

HO scale AC&F Type 27 8K gallon insulated tank car kit

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works announces a new tank car kit! Check out our blog for more details and links to the website.

 

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-kit-release/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

Source for automobile boxcar ends, ladders, etc.

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Guys,
 
I recently saw a message from this group, I think, that included a link to a source for some really nice looking cast ends for an automobile boxcar with end doors, some beautiful etched brass ladders, and other apparently very well done HO FC parts.  Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to relocate that message, and I have no idea what the subject might have been.
 
Does anyone recall that message or the source of those parts?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

Re: Photos Added

Tim O'Connor
 


Seems to me that as long as the albums are in alphabetical order, the best plan is to give the albums
your own name and to put ALL of your photos in that album. Over the years that seems like a very good
way to keep track of them, and to be able to tell people where to find them. (For example that "page 17"
could change very soon, making your email unusable for future reference.)

Tim O'Connor


I have just uploaded seven photos of steam-era cars still in maintenance service on the Shenandoah Valley Railway
in Virginia. They currently live on page 17 of the contributed photos section. Garth Groff

Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Stuart Forsyth
 

When did these come into use?

Stuart A. Forsyth

On Apr 20, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Jerome (Jerry) Albin <jeralbin@...> wrote:

Bob,
 The recording thermometer was placed in cartons or boxes of produce. The thermometer used was known as a maximum reading type, that is, the liquid in the thermometer went up with a increase in temperature but did not go down when the temperature when down. Think of a fever thermometer.  This feature allowed the car line and shipper know what maximum temperature was experienced by the product being shipped. Regards...Jerry Albin

Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

Bob,
 The recording thermometer was placed in cartons or boxes of produce. The thermometer used was known as a maximum reading type, that is, the liquid in the thermometer went up with a increase in temperature but did not go down when the temperature when down. Think of a fever thermometer.  This feature allowed the car line and shipper know what maximum temperature was experienced by the product being shipped. Regards...Jerry Albin

Re: More Photos Uploaded

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave,

AFAIK, the boxcar is still at Clark's Trading Post. The Hobo Railroad and the train at the Trading Post are two separate operations, and the Trading Post does not even have a track connection. Curiously, both operations are associated with the different branches of the Clark family (or so I believe), but are separate entities.

Here's Clark's web site for the train ride: http://www.clarkstradingpost.com/attractionsTrain.php . Their usual locomotive is a lovely little wood burning Climax.

The Hobo Railroad is also operates the Winnipesaukee Scenic Railroad (which keeps changing its name) between Meredith and Weirs Beach. They formerly operated another tourist train out of Tilton, NH, all on the same former B&M branch (Concord to Lincoln). There is a bunch of equipment at Tilton, mostly privately-owned cabooses used as summer homes, but also another B&M wooden boxcar and a snowplow. I will post those photos shortly.

The Hobo Railroad does have some freight equipment stashed in a yard behind some commercial buildings just across from the entrance to their property. Most of what's there are old RDC cars being saved for future restoration (but that's a topic for another group).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/20/18 10:55 AM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Garth:

I agree; the WMC 68196 box car looks like a B&M shorty, the variant with the New Haven style underframe and rebuilt with 7/7 Murphy ends.  I know of no other surviving examples of these cars.

Do you have any idea what became of this car?   A quick search of the WWW suggests that the excursion train out of Lincoln NH is now the  Hobo Railroad, but I can find no freight cars on their current roster.

Great photo; thanks!

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA