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SP S-40-5 Stock Car Decals

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

As I return to the hobby I am unpacking some projects. I have a Speedwitch Red Caboose SP S-40-5 stock car kit without decals.  Ted shows them as out of stock and I can imagine this would not be a lucrative pursuit to print again. Is it possible someone has a set of decals they would sell me? Or does anyone have leftover used rements from the kit decals they could sent to allow me to piece together enough to finish the car? Or does anyone have another idea? Does someone really need the kit, I am happy to trade it or give it to good home. I am using it to break up my 1950 B&O livestock special. Thank you for your thoughts. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD on the NCR 


Re: Keep those paint blisters!

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce and Doug,

Thank you for your replies and educating me about water damage that can lead to extreme paint blistering on wood sheathed freight cars.

Bob Witt


Re: Kadee PS-1 Stirrup / coupler assembly No 5 couplers

tahayden42@...
 

Brian,  Is it really impossible to just swap scale Kadees in?  I assume you can fairly easily remove the assembly, but then cannot swap couplers in the assembly?

Tom Hayden


Re: Test

Bill Dewar
 

Test,  I’m not a bot… atleast I don’t think I am….

Bill Dewar

Brampton Ontario

 

From: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lawrence Rast
Sent: April 18, 2018 8:07 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Test

 

Not a bot

 

Lawrence Rast

 



On Apr 17, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Dr. Benny Barnhart <drbbarnhart@...> wrote:

 

No bots here!

 

Benny

 

Benny L. Barnhart, M.D.

Diplomate of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology

 

 


Re: Eye-catching Boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

While certainly neither of these two boxcars were rare, their features do standout among boxcars of their era. Having two of them together probably was not the most common sight on the rails in Ogden:

 


     Doggone it, Bob. There are already too many model railroaders modeling this train . . .

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Eye-catching Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

While certainly neither of these two boxcars were rare, their features do standout among boxcars of their era. Having two of them together probably was not the most common sight on the rails in Ogden:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Aug-Ogden/i-HRxTJML/A

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Keep those paint blisters!

Doug Paasch
 

I totally agree with Bruce that these are real paint blisters and all else he mentioned below.  Paint blisters are usually caused by outgassing of water vapor where it is trapped behind, for example, your wood house siding.  The old brittle linseed oil based paints would be rather impervious to the moisture and would blister, then the blisters would crack, and the paint start peeling.  From the looks of some of the planks, it appears to me that moisture has gotten inside the walls, possibly from a roof leak since it seems to run from top to bottom on the planks.  The group of 4 or 5 planks by the left end grabs seems to be where the boards are not only peeling paint but possibly suffering from early stages of dry rot.  I know what this looks like from personal experience with an old house I once owned.  I also remember wandering through train yards in the 1960’s and 70’s where old wood-sheathed cars sat rotting away and saw many with blisters and peeled paint such as this, or worse.  I also owned GN caboose X265 at one time and it had roof leaks.  It was a steel caboose but the INSIDE of it looked like the OUTSIDE of this reefer as it started to blister the paint on the plywood interior walls from water leaking into them.  As a side note, it also looks like bad rust along the edge of the roof on that left corner, perhaps another indication of water problems?

 

  Doug Paasch

  Hotchkiss, CO

 

From: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Keep those paint blisters!

 

​Bob,

 

The blisters are pretty clearly real paint blisters. Having no small amount of experience with both paint and photography, I don't think that these are  a photographic artifact.

 

As for the "rivets" on the M-53 door, I do not believe that they are rivets as I believe that they are recesses as deduced from the shadow pattern. They may be tack welds to the interior structure of the door showing because the door has been pushed out (note that the bumps to the right of the door in the car sheathing are also not rivets, but impacts from something internal, making me think that this car has had some lading motion issues in the past). An alternative explanation is that this car may have been one with a door that did have rivets horizontally across the door (some did as seen in RPCyc #9) and that the rivets have been removed, but I favor my 1st explanation.

 

Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn AL


Re: Keep those paint blisters!

Bruce Smith
 

​Bob,


The blisters are pretty clearly real paint blisters. Having no small amount of experience with both paint and photography, I don't think that these are  a photographic artifact.


As for the "rivets" on the M-53 door, I do not believe that they are rivets as I believe that they are recesses as deduced from the shadow pattern. They may be tack welds to the interior structure of the door showing because the door has been pushed out (note that the bumps to the right of the door in the car sheathing are also not rivets, but impacts from something internal, making me think that this car has had some lading motion issues in the past). An alternative explanation is that this car may have been one with a door that did have rivets horizontally across the door (some did as seen in RPCyc #9) and that the rivets have been removed, but I favor my 1st explanation.


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn AL


From: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> on behalf of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io <rwitt_2000@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:18 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Keep those paint blisters!
 
I am not an expert, but since this is a photo of a moving train and I believe some of what appear as "blisters" are artifacts of motion or from scanning the negative.

The next view has a B&O M-53 box car and the door has strange features I believe to be rivets.

Bob Witt


Re: Keep those paint blisters!

rwitt_2000
 

I am not an expert, but since this is a photo of a moving train and I believe some of what appear as "blisters" are artifacts of motion or from scanning the negative.

The next view has a B&O M-53 box car and the door has strange features I believe to be rivets.

Bob Witt


Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

Dave Parker
 

Thanks for the memory jog Earl.  I don't know why I didn't recognized the Tilton car as NYNH&H.  Maybe I tend to think more about their rebuilds with composite ends.

I will contact you off group.  I have some questions about access to Clark's during the non-tourist season. 

Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA
 


Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

Earl Tuson
 

Dave is correct; the car at Tilton is a NYNH&H 36’ XM, not B&M. I also believe the car at Clark’s is a B&M car, and I may be visiting this coming week.

Earl Tuson


Re: Kadee PS-1 Stirrup / coupler assembly No 5 couplers

Brian Carlson
 

There has been some confusion. I’m not offering regular Kadee 5s. I’m offering the ps-1 coupler stirrup assembly that can be seen on page five of the attached pdf. 

On Apr 21, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

I’ve been converting some Kadee PS-1 that had #5 couplers to scale couplers. The coupler / stirrup assembly is a part from kadee and they come assembled with scale couplers. I now have 4.5 pair of the assemblies with #5 couplers that I don’t need. Before I pitch them, does anyone out there need them? They are yours for the cost of postage. I think I have 4.5 pair and not 5 pair because I tried to retrofit one from a #5 to a scale coupler and destroyed it. Just saying.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Kadee PS-1 Stirrup / coupler assembly No 5 couplers

Brian Carlson
 

I’ve been converting some Kadee PS-1 that had #5 couplers to scale couplers. The coupler / stirrup assembly is a part from kadee and they come assembled with scale couplers. I now have 4.5 pair of the assemblies with #5 couplers that I don’t need. Before I pitch them, does anyone out there need them? They are yours for the cost of postage. I think I have 4.5 pair and not 5 pair because I tried to retrofit one from a #5 to a scale coupler and destroyed it. Just saying.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: INTERMOUNTAIN -HO Scale GS Drop Bottom Gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave,

I've been lobbying for 46-foot GS gons for years. About ten years ago I saw a test model for one in resin online, but AFAIK it never went into production or might only have been shared among a just few people.

If we are going to start lobbying, I would suggest we ask for the 1953-54 General American cars in series 72000-73699 (Jim Eager's Rio Grande Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, page 76). These are a close match for WP's 9101-9400 also built by General American in 1953 (Eager again, Western Pacific Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment, page 80). WP general arrangement drawings are found at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9101-9400.php .

I would spring for at least two if they were the GA cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 4/21/18 8:07 AM, dave w via Groups.Io wrote:
Whereas the Trainworx GS gons are exact for D&RGW, at least in N scale (Pat is a Grandee___).
If they don't make them for HO, I feel a new lobby group forming.
FWIW davew


Re: INTERMOUNTAIN -HO Scale GS Drop Bottom Gondolas

dave w
 

Whereas the Trainworx GS gons are exact for D&RGW, at least in N scale (Pat is a Grandee___).
If they don't make them for HO, I feel a new lobby group forming.
FWIW davew


Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Garth,

I like to use TIFF for any high res, high detail photos that I may need for modeling or for patterns for decal artwork.

For everything else, and for most anything I transmit electronically I use jpeg’s saved at maximum size. They seem to be quite stable that way.

John Hagen

 

From: RealSTMFC@groups.io [mailto:RealSTMFC@groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 3:30 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RealSTMFC Photo Album

 

Doug,

I use TIFF because it is a supposedly stable format (somebody will probably dispute this momentarily!). JPEG is not, and can deteriorate. Unfortunately, the online world is in love with JPEG, and it works well there since most of cyberspace is temporary fluff anyway. Not all applications are TIFF friendly. An example I see daily is that TIFFS created on my MAC in Graphic Converter take forever to display as more than blank icons. I have to wash my images through Photoshop to get full and instant display. I am not a big fan of Photoshop, and there are many things it won't do, or I can't figure out, so Graphic Converter is my go-to tool. [Sigh!] I miss Micro Frontier Color it (it died with OS 9).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Richard Townsend
 

Wow. 1760 and he's STILL modeling.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...>
To: RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2018 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

From Wikipedia's entry on James Six:

"He is noted for his invention, in 1780, of Six's thermometer, commonly known as the maximum minimum thermometer."

So, the thermometer has been around since long before the railroads.  It seems reasonable to assume that its use in this context goes back to earliest reefers (ca. 1860 or thereabouts).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Dave Parker
 

From Wikipedia's entry on James Six:

"He is noted for his invention, in 1780, of Six's thermometer, commonly known as the maximum minimum thermometer."

So, the thermometer has been around since long before the railroads.  It seems reasonable to assume that its use in this context goes back to earliest reefers (ca. 1860 or thereabouts).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Saturday, April 21, 2018 11:00 AM, Jerome (Jerry) Albin <jeralbin@...> wrote:


Stuart,
 I have seen use as far back as 1907 regarding strawberry shipping claim problems.  See...https://books.google.com/books?id=hDpKAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA111&lpg=RA1-PA111&dq=recording+thermometers+in+produce+refrigerator+cars&source=bl&ots=G2mHbcv20U&sig=oHwrTV_PfBwm82j-OpUYYytec9A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigiabixsnaAhVG1IMKHbTND1oQ6AEIfzAN#v=onepage&q=recording%20thermometers%20in%20produce%20refrigerator%20cars&f=false

Regards...Jerry Albin



Re: PFE Notice - Recording Thermometer

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

Stuart,
 I have seen use as far back as 1907 regarding strawberry shipping claim problems.  See...https://books.google.com/books?id=hDpKAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA111&lpg=RA1-PA111&dq=recording+thermometers+in+produce+refrigerator+cars&source=bl&ots=G2mHbcv20U&sig=oHwrTV_PfBwm82j-OpUYYytec9A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigiabixsnaAhVG1IMKHbTND1oQ6AEIfzAN#v=onepage&q=recording%20thermometers%20in%20produce%20refrigerator%20cars&f=false

Regards...Jerry Albin


Re: RealSTMFC Photo Album

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

O.K. I've reduced the size and pixel depth of my photos, and moved some
stuff around. Per Tim's suggestion I've put them under my name, but
broken the big album up into several smaller albums with related photos
that are more easy to load. You will find the whole run under "Garth
Groff's Album" with various subtitles. At the moment, they are living in
pages 8-9, but that's certainly going to change as more people add their
own stuff.

I've also added some more stuff. One album features miscellaneous
boxcars and a couple of gondolas that will be of interest to most of
you. Some are preserved, and some were in really old cars still in
service when I found them. There is also a small album of FGE and WFEX
refrigerators that should please Bill Welch, most from a 1969 trip to
Oregon. I have more FGE photos to add soon, but have done enough for today.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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