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Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/7/2018 6:00 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

    I like the bent handgrab.  So if anyone makes a minor mistake on installing a handgrab it's prototypical!:-D

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Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Bob Chaparro
 

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

 

Overhead shot:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large

 

Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large

 

So, anybody know the story behind the photos?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Bryian Sones
 

Oops sorry Ted Culotta, forgive me, didn't mean to butcher the spelling of your name. It happens to me all the time too. :) 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:58 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


The B-50-17 model in 1/87 scale was not only produced  in brass by CIL but alson in Resin by Martin of Sunshine Models and Ted Collata of Speedwitch Media. The Model was produced under the "private stock lable". I've built a few from my collection and I am currently workin on one to resemble the Car Gary Binder took photos of.  These cars sometimes appear on Ebay but I've never won any. Mine, I bought from Martin at the Perris, CA swap meet many years ago.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:35 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Sorry everyon, no pics of the B end. Gary Binder was unable to get any clear pics from that end of the car. Not to far from this B-50-17 was another in Alluminum M.O.W colors laid to rest. Gary sent me pics he took of that car today. I'll share then a little later.




Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 11:27 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!
 
Gary Laakso
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
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embezzle?  Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
Hello Gary,
 
thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).
 
(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)
 
Johannes
 
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Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock







Re: Mystery Refrigerator Car

ROGER HINMAN
 

My guess is its some type of ventilator input. There were a bunch of different designs in that period but I took a quick look at the period car cycs and could find nothing similar. Very interesting photo, thanks for sharing

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 7, 2018 5:00 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Refrigerator Car

This photo is from a Raton, New Mexico, wreck on the Santa Fe around 1910.
 
 
The refrigerator car has some additional structures on its roof that I cannot identify.
 
Can anyone identify the structures and the car?
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Mystery Refrigerator Car

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo is from a Raton, New Mexico, wreck on the Santa Fe around 1910.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RATON-NM-New-Mexico-c1910-RP-Santa-Fe-Railroad-Wreck-4/202306430560?hash=item2f1a672660:g:XoQAAOSwenla7x7I

 

The refrigerator car has some additional structures on its roof that I cannot identify.

 

Can anyone identify the structures and the car?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Bryian Sones
 

The B-50-17 model in 1/87 scale was not only produced  in brass by CIL but alson in Resin by Martin of Sunshine Models and Ted Collata of Speedwitch Media. The Model was produced under the "private stock lable". I've built a few from my collection and I am currently workin on one to resemble the Car Gary Binder took photos of.  These cars sometimes appear on Ebay but I've never won any. Mine, I bought from Martin at the Perris, CA swap meet many years ago.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:35 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Sorry everyon, no pics of the B end. Gary Binder was unable to get any clear pics from that end of the car. Not to far from this B-50-17 was another in Alluminum M.O.W colors laid to rest. Gary sent me pics he took of that car today. I'll share then a little later.




Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 11:27 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!
 
Gary Laakso
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
Hello Gary,
 
thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).
 
(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 05:12 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock





Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Bryian Sones
 

Sorry everyon, no pics of the B end. Gary Binder was unable to get any clear pics from that end of the car. Not to far from this B-50-17 was another in Alluminum M.O.W colors laid to rest. Gary sent me pics he took of that car today. I'll share then a little later.




Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 11:27 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!
 
Gary Laakso
 
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Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
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embezzle?  Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

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Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
Hello Gary,
 
thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).
 
(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 05:12 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock



Getting Blasted—no that that kind

Bill Welch
 

The boys at the Clearwater Car Shops decided to forgo their usual French Press brewed coffee and modeling time this morning and instead fortified only with cold cereal organized the necessary resources to Media Blast with Baking Soda twelve boxcars. Given the catholic nature of the CCS, styrene was represented by Atlas, Branchline, IMWX, InterMountain, and Tichy while Speedwitch and Sunshine represented resin. Railroads as far east as NYNH&H. P&LE, and DL&W and from the west the NP are included with the midwest represented by KO&G, Monon, I-GN, and M&StL. "Ya'LL" roads included the Georgia (2), TN&O and Southern.

Operating at 60PSI the CCS's compressor could not keep its tank filled so it operated continuously but with no complaint. The guys used one 4 lb. box of Arm & Hammer's best and needed to open a second box to finish. They also etched several pairs of trucks, two Kadee brake gears and several Kadee bracket grabs sprues. The boys had forgotten that the Chief Mechanical Engineer had purchased a dedicated hose with quick coupling and were pleased to see it and use it. Now the two Tichy kits are ready to receive Archer Surface Detail decals after the receiving surfaces are prepped with Future/Pledge or whatever they are calling it now. Others will move on to be primed with Badger's Stynylrez grey. All-in-all a good day at the CCS.

Bill Welch


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Richard Wilkens
 

Hi Ed,

Years ago I was working on a Northern Pacific double deck stock car, NP 83296, that was built in 1930. In the inside I could find no signs that it was ever painted. The wood was either a lightly weathered grey and in some cases such as the roof and ends the color was closer to a natural wood with some light signs of aging.

Rich Wilkens


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

As a person who actually dealt with stock cars (iin late fifties in Fonda, iowa assisting an impatient awaitingMilwaukee Road road crew hurry the loading of hogs into a MILW stock car); and personally receiving an ancient WP stock car into the CSRM collection in the mid seventies, I simply recall no paint, white wash, disinfectant, etc.)- just bare boards. I cannot imagine what importance would accrue to painting the interior, aside from carelessness, mistakes, or vanity. Think constant and immediate wear, toxics, etc.

My family (both sides) also shipped a LOT of cattle. The shippers were responsible for supplying all the straw for the bedding in the car, and the hay for feed (not the same thing!. I forget who was responsible for car cleaning after unloading at the stockyards in Chicago, etc. If disinfectants were applied there, I can recall no color indication that would have given a clue.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

gary laakso
 

Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!

 

Gary Laakso

 

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No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.

 

Best Regards

 

Johannes

 

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embezzle?  Are you sure that's the word you want to use?


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics

 

Hello Gary,

 

thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).

 

(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)

 

Johannes

 

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Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Tom Madden
 

In this case I think "ignore" might be the best word. 

Tom Madden


Re: Brake line pressure

Dave Parker
 

I know the original query was in reference to the "late steam era", but FYI my 1918 Westinghouse brake handbook gives 70 psi as the standard for the train-line pressure.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jim Betz
 

Steve and all,

  I've actually used a steam hose to clean - a salmon cannery in my case.  This method
did not significantly heat the surfaces being cleaned for any longer than the steam 
was directed at a particular part/area.  It was -very- important that we got any and all
fish left on the machines and floors and wood bins, etc. off to leave the cannery clean
enough for the next day's work.  It was cleaned once a day - after the crew went
home.
  I touched some of the surfaces after cleaning and they were, at most, warm.
  The pressure of the steam (force) seemed (to me) to be more important than
the heat.  And - the fact that using steam didn't leave a lot of water any where.

  I've heard many times that steam was one of the ways that stock cars were
cleaned and it makes sense to me.  I would also expect it to have been used
in reefers - but I may be wrong on that?

  I respect your research - but perhaps there are some 'missing items' that
have yet to be discovered?  Especially with respect to "era"?
  I just saw "A Few Good Men" (again).  In it they made a lot out of the
difference between what was "in the manuals" and what was actually
happening "in practice" ... oral history -can- be as accurate as what is
in the manuals/regulations.  There is no doubt in my mind about what
John Lewis and I did in the salmon cannery after the regular crew was
gone ... and I don't think there was a 'manual' for how to do the
cleaning of the salmon canning line ... *G*
                                                                                         - Jim B.
                                                                                                           - Jim B.


Just Moved

skyking1084
 

Member of the old STMFC.  Long time fan.  Was a member of 18 Yahoo groups, no more.  Model in HO/HOn3 dual gauge in 1955.

Dave L


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/7/2018 8:43 AM, Jim Betz wrote:
Was there room for the animals to lay down inside?  Probably not all of them at
once?

    In our era I believe animals were not allowed to lay down (one reason cowboys rode the train).  If they did they probably would get trampled.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jim Betz
 

Ed,
  In re-thinking your decision above ... I think you might be better off going for "aged wood"
than "weathered" ... but with hints/evidence/recent affects caused by cleaning.
                                                                                                                                   - Jim B.


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jim Betz
 

Ed,
  I agree with your decision.  You may want to use washes of very dilute white 
with overtones of grey and/or dark organic color to represent a car that has
been cleaned in the past ...
  I've been able to achieve "weathered wood" best by using a dilute stain
rather than a paint.  If the material is actual wood (of course).

  I have a plastic box car that I lined the interior of it with wood that had
the above treatments applied and it came out -very- well.  So much so
that I like to run it with one door open and the other slighly open.  *G*
                                                                                                 - Jim B. 


Re: Brake line pressure

Robert Allan
 

In my years on the MoPac, we were at 80# brakepipe pressure. UP was at 90# so several years after the merger, we aligned with the system standard.

Bob Allan


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jim Betz
 

  This car is "too long since it was in service" for my tastes.  And do we know the
date or even decade this pic was taken?
                                                                                                                 - Jim B.

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