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Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Jim Gates
 

It seems to me that painting the inside to match what you see standing in a stock car is not the way to paint a model. If you are standing 87 feet away from a prototype stock car then the inside is going to be dark. Exceptions might be low sun directly behind you at just the right angle, or the back of the opposite door if the near one is open. I would think a very dark gray, and very flat finish.

Just my two cents,
Jim Gates


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This was a move by the ERIE to deliver what I have always heard (maybe read) was an undersea cable.  All the cars in the move were ERIE gons.  

 

The Puget Sound reference is a new one on me, but at 7½ miles that makes sense.

 

I think what the man is welding is the chain between the cars. The railroad did NOT want these cars coming apart.

 

But there is another photo of this train that I can’t find right now.  It shows, like this one does, two ends of cars loaded with the cable, looping over just as shown here.  But, it also shows that one truck has been jacked up and the worker is . . .  tending to a hotbox. It’s a safe bet that there WAS going to be a way to fix that hotbox that did not involve reloading the cable!

 

File under “Wouldn’t ya know?”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mansell Peter Hambly
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 12:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

To me, it looks like a retainer valve.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 


From: "Rhbale via Groups.Io" <Rhbale@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:00:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

What is the vertical rod to the left of the ladder in

 

 


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

To me, it looks like a retainer valve.

Mansell Peter Hambly
COQUITLAM, B.C.


From: "Rhbale via Groups.Io" <Rhbale@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:00:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

What is the vertical rod to the left of the ladder in




Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Rufus Cone
 

Retainer pipe. 

What is the vertical rod to the left of the ladder in
-- 
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Rhbale@...
 

What is the vertical rod to the left of the ladder in



Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Rufus Cone
 

Life Magazine, May 1, 1951, pp.  75-76.

Bob Chaparro wrote:

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.


-- 
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Douglas Harding
 

Would the welder be welding the chains between the cars to prevent separation should a coupler fail? A separation would damage the load.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 8:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

 

Overhead shot:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large

 

Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large

 

So, anybody know the story behind the photos?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

VERY cool!

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 7, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro asked:
"The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large 
 
The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.
 
Overhead shot: 
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large 
 
Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ): 
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large 
 
So, anybody know the story behind the photos?"

A simple Google search turned up this Bonneville Power Administration film documenting the laying of a 4 1/2 mile submarine power cable to the San Juan Islands in Puget Sound:

You can see the cable train at 8:00 in the video.


Ben Hom


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

rwitt_2000
 

This photo shows someone wearing a US Navy jacket so this maybe a US military purchase and installation.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/4240f58a16b538e2_large

Bob Witt


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
"A simple Google search turned up this Bonneville Power Administration film documenting the laying of a 4 1/2 mile submarine power cable to the San Juan Islands in Puget Sound:

Typo in the length of the cable - it was actually 7 1/2 miles long.


Ben Hom


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

David Soderblom
 

Note how askew the brake wheels are! And I thought I was bad at getting them on straight!


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

Undersea comm cable?

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On May 7, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

 

Overhead shot:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large

 

Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large

 

So, anybody know the story behind the photos?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Meat Packinghouse Operations Circa 1950

Steve SANDIFER
 

I assume Nanopdf stole this from the Santa Fe Society website, as I was the author. I would change a few things in that pdf, most notably the reference to frozen meat. It was not frozen, but kept very cold just above the freezing point.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Meat Packinghouse Operations Circa 1950

 

This is a link to a very informative article by Steve Sandifer and Donald Lake. Other contributors were Keith Jordan, Mike Blaszak, Charles Schultz, Doug Harding, Clark Probst, Linda Sand, George Walls, and Kurt Stoebe.

 

https://nanopdf.com/download/packing-house-operations_pdf

 

The article covers railroad deliveries of beef to a packing house and the production of meat and by-products shipped out by rail. This includes ratios of various cars required, information useful for modeling purposes.

 

The article also includes a proposed operations plan for servicing a meat packinghouse in a model railroad setting.

 

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large 
 
The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.
 
Overhead shot: 
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large 
 
Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ): 
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large 
 
So, anybody know the story behind the photos?"

A simple Google search turned up this Bonneville Power Administration film documenting the laying of a 4 1/2 mile submarine power cable to the San Juan Islands in Puget Sound:

You can see the cable train at 8:00 in the video.


Ben Hom


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/7/2018 6:00 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

    I like the bent handgrab.  So if anyone makes a minor mistake on installing a handgrab it's prototypical!:-D

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Bob Chaparro
 

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

 

Overhead shot:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large

 

Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large

 

So, anybody know the story behind the photos?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Bryian Sones
 

Oops sorry Ted Culotta, forgive me, didn't mean to butcher the spelling of your name. It happens to me all the time too. :) 

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:58 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


The B-50-17 model in 1/87 scale was not only produced  in brass by CIL but alson in Resin by Martin of Sunshine Models and Ted Collata of Speedwitch Media. The Model was produced under the "private stock lable". I've built a few from my collection and I am currently workin on one to resemble the Car Gary Binder took photos of.  These cars sometimes appear on Ebay but I've never won any. Mine, I bought from Martin at the Perris, CA swap meet many years ago.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:35 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Sorry everyon, no pics of the B end. Gary Binder was unable to get any clear pics from that end of the car. Not to far from this B-50-17 was another in Alluminum M.O.W colors laid to rest. Gary sent me pics he took of that car today. I'll share then a little later.




Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 11:27 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!
 
Gary Laakso
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: naptownprr <jhunter@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
embezzle?  Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
Hello Gary,
 
thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).
 
(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 05:12 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock







Re: Mystery Refrigerator Car

ROGER HINMAN
 

My guess is its some type of ventilator input. There were a bunch of different designs in that period but I took a quick look at the period car cycs and could find nothing similar. Very interesting photo, thanks for sharing

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 7, 2018 5:00 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Refrigerator Car

This photo is from a Raton, New Mexico, wreck on the Santa Fe around 1910.
 
 
The refrigerator car has some additional structures on its roof that I cannot identify.
 
Can anyone identify the structures and the car?
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Mystery Refrigerator Car

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo is from a Raton, New Mexico, wreck on the Santa Fe around 1910.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RATON-NM-New-Mexico-c1910-RP-Santa-Fe-Railroad-Wreck-4/202306430560?hash=item2f1a672660:g:XoQAAOSwenla7x7I

 

The refrigerator car has some additional structures on its roof that I cannot identify.

 

Can anyone identify the structures and the car?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Interesting B-50-17 pics

Bryian Sones
 

The B-50-17 model in 1/87 scale was not only produced  in brass by CIL but alson in Resin by Martin of Sunshine Models and Ted Collata of Speedwitch Media. The Model was produced under the "private stock lable". I've built a few from my collection and I am currently workin on one to resemble the Car Gary Binder took photos of.  These cars sometimes appear on Ebay but I've never won any. Mine, I bought from Martin at the Perris, CA swap meet many years ago.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 12:35 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote:


Sorry everyon, no pics of the B end. Gary Binder was unable to get any clear pics from that end of the car. Not to far from this B-50-17 was another in Alluminum M.O.W colors laid to rest. Gary sent me pics he took of that car today. I'll share then a little later.




Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA.  
 


On Monday, May 7, 2018 11:27 AM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Johannes, you are correct that their omission on the model was very odd and not noted at the time of their import.   Those locomotive/passenger car importer guys may have been too busy to notice!
 
Gary Laakso
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
No I am definitely not sure. I used the dicionary to find an English word for "unterschlagen", maybe is "conceal" or "keep quiet about" better for the context? I apologize for such awful problems. I am constantly trying to get better in both modeling and English speaking.
 
Best Regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 16:16 Uhr
Von: naptownprr <jhunter@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
embezzle?  Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2018 7:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
 
Hello Gary,
 
thanks for mentioning this beautyful model. But by all its beauty and accuracy one shouldn't embezzle that CIL - for whatever reason - omitted the coupler lift bar and its brackets/ eyebolts (which would be easy to add, nonetheless).
 
(I am looking for such a model (mint condition or professionally weathered), btw.)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 07. Mai 2018 um 05:12 Uhr
Von: "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting B-50-17 pics
Challenger Imports brought in these cars in brass (Catalog #2408) using the data supplied by Bob Darwin of hyper detail brass locomotives in MR decades ago.  A variety of lettering schemes were offered by Challenger.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock




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