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Re: Brake line pressure

Dave Nelson
 

Very interesting.  Thanks Dennis, this will raise some issues for our sim software.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 5:39 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake line pressure

 

As promised, I dug out my Soo Line Air Brake Rules book, but unfortunately, it slightly post dates the steam era: December, 1962. However, here are the pressures specified at that time, all numbers are PSI:

AIR COMPRESSOR GOVERNOR -130-140
FEED VALVES, PASSENGER SERVICE - 90
FEED VALVES, ALL OTHER CLASSES OF SERVICE EXCEPT ORE SERVICE - 75
FEED VALVES, ORE SERVICE - 90
FEED VALVES, SWITCHING SERVICE - 70

As one can see, the pressure setting was variable with the service, and as the feed valve was in th cab, the engineer was expected to ensure it was set properly for the service.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

tjcataldo
 

if you go the santa fe modelers web site you can bye a book on freight cars

tom

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Sean Murphy <sean.p.murphy.design@...> wrote:
Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

Does anyone have photos of this prototype from 1950 or the late 1940's? Additional number or equipment roster information would also be helpful. Lastly, I was also wondering if the recommended Dalman trucks would be appropriate for this era.

Thanks ahead of time.




--
Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: [Espee] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Got it!

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <Espee@groups.io> on behalf of "Doug Debs via Groups.Io" <dougdebs2472@...>
Reply-To: <Espee@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 2:15 PM
To: "Espee@groups.io" <Espee@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Espee] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

 

Its sugar cane.

 

The second photo shows a 4-mule team hitched to an empty wagon, used to haul sugar cane from the field to the portable jib crane loading station. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagasse

"Bagasse (/bəˈɡæs/ bə-GAS) is the fibrous matter that remains after sugarcane or sorghum stalks are crushed to extract their juice. It is dry pulpy residue left after the extraction of juice from sugar cane. Bagasse is used as a biofuel and in the manufacture of pulp and building materials."

Bagasse, on the other hand, was generated at the sugar mill.  In this era, the mill boilers used all or almost all of the bagasse as fuel.  Burning bagasse doesn't generate much heat (low BTUs per lb, especially if still wet), but it was what they had in abundance at no cost... except for the semi-unskilled labor needed to dry the bagasse, move it to the furnace firing floor, fire the boilers, and remove the ash afterwards.  But labor was very cheap in that era.  Special chain-grate stokers were developed to handle the large quantities of low-BTU bagasse used by sugar mill boilers.

 

Bagasse looks looks different than cane:

 

- Doug Debs

 


From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
To: Espee@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Espee] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

 

Cane or bagesse?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <Espee@groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <Espee@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 12:28 PM
To: <Espee@groups.io>
Subject: [Espee] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

 

This almost certainly was the last "assigned service" for T&NO 35247. Its glory days were long gone. The photos are from the Library of Congress.

Loading sugarcane into boxcars near Delcambre, Louisiana, 1938:

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Aligning A Freight Car To A Loading Door

Bob Chaparro
 

Courtesy of Bob Drenth and Jeff Aley...

In cases where track and building did not allow man to be on that side of a car to get doors lined up- usually the rail directly outside the door would get painted red or yellow –so a switchman could use that as a guide to spot the car-get the door of the car directly above the paint and the car and building would be “close enough” for the loading to proceed..

Bob

++++

I find this very interesting – it’s simple and clever.  I had never noticed this before; was this a common practice?  And if so, were industries doing so back in the early 1950’s (I don’t see why not)?

Jeff

++++

Was this commonplace or just particular to certain railroads? Does anyone have a photo or photo link?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Cane or bagesse?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 12:28 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

 

This almost certainly was the last "assigned service" for T&NO 35247. Its glory days were long gone. The photos are from the Library of Congress.

Loading sugarcane into boxcars near Delcambre, Louisiana, 1938:

https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8b20000/8b20700/8b20794v.jpg

https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8b20000/8b20700/8b20793v.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know precisely why but I have 17 images of Bx-12 box cars and only
one Bx-13, even though they look very similar and I assume would have been
in similar service.

Tim O'Connor


Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

Does anyone have photos of this prototype from 1950 or the late 1940's? Additional number or equipment roster information would also be helpful. Lastly, I was also wondering if the recommended Dalman trucks would be appropriate for this era.

Thanks ahead of time.


Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

Sean Murphy
 

Westerfield 4801 ATSF BX-13 Photos or Info - Modeling Fall 1950

Does anyone have photos of this prototype from 1950 or the late 1940's? Additional number or equipment roster information would also be helpful. Lastly, I was also wondering if the recommended Dalman trucks would be appropriate for this era.

Thanks ahead of time.


The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

This almost certainly was the last "assigned service" for T&NO 35247. Its glory days were long gone. The photos are from the Library of Congress.

Loading sugarcane into boxcars near Delcambre, Louisiana, 1938:

https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8b20000/8b20700/8b20794v.jpg

https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8b20000/8b20700/8b20793v.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

bill woelfel
 

I agree, if you've ever had a brass passenger car with an unpainted  interior you know to paint the interior. Any darker color should do it. Bill Woelfel, Homewood, Ill.


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Douglas Harding
 
Edited

Don finally home. To follow up the stockcar with the funny looking racks inside is a Pennsylvania K7a stockcar #134299. My memory was faulty, as soon as I looked at the photos again, I realized it was not used for poultry. Instead the racks are for plant flats, specifically tomato plants according to http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=http://www.prrths.com/PRR_Images/tomcar.jpg&fr=clK7

Unfortunately the photo link at the above site is not working. Attached is the photo showing the car with the racks. Hopefully a Pennsy fan can help out.

Forgot to mention the reason I posted the photo showing the interior of this car was because you could see the wood grain of the slats in the sides, indicating the car interior had not been painted, or it had been whitewashed which has faded away.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 4:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint color for inside model stock cars

 

OK, Doug, I'll bite. What is depicted in the first photo with a CNR or CPR style stock car having rack floors in it? No hoofed animal could have been carried in such a car so I presume it was a method to 

ship fowl when poultry cars were not available.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Ben, and Richard Townsend, for instantly providing the link I missed.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 10:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

 

"In this thread there is a reference to a movie.  I missed that link, and have reviewed almost all the messages, but unless I accidentally deleted a post, I can’t find that link."


See my posts sent at 9:15 and 9:25 last night (May 7).  The movie is embedded at the page referenced in both posts.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:


"In this thread there is a reference to a movie.  I missed that link, and have reviewed almost all the messages, but unless I accidentally deleted a post, I can’t find that link."

See my posts sent at 9:15 and 9:25 last night (May 7).  The movie is embedded at the page referenced in both posts.


Ben Hom


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Richard Townsend
 

https://www.bpa.gov/news/AboutUs/History/Pages/25000-Volts-Under-the-Sea.aspx


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

In this thread there is a reference to a movie.  I missed that link, and have reviewed almost all the messages, but unless I accidentally deleted a post, I can’t find that link.
 
Did I misunderstand?
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable
 
The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:
 
 
The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.
 
Overhead shot:
 
 
Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):
 
 
So, anybody know the story behind the photos?
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In this thread there is a reference to a movie.  I missed that link, and have reviewed almost all the messages, but unless I accidentally deleted a post, I can’t find that link.

 

Did I misunderstand?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:01 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Transporting The World's Longest Cable

 

The only information I have on this Life Magazine photo is a caption that says " The World's Longest Cable" and a date of March 1951:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ebf357cf3c52bc67_large

 

The man in the photo is welding something and the cars are connected by a chain as well as couplers.

 

Overhead shot:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/c71ec95595f72d35_large

 

Factory interior (Okonite, Patterson, NJ):

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/71cc3cf2702fd63f_large

 

So, anybody know the story behind the photos?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: class of this ATSF box car?

Tim O'Connor
 


Hmmm... if Charlie Slater is correct about the ends, then your photos appear
to show an Fe-15, which had the same ends as your photos.



The corrected Fe-19 image urls are
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/slvrbox.jpg
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/ATSF%205257.jpg
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_3.JPG:



On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:
Tim, this car agrees in detail with the four photos of Fe-19 cars in my collection. The ends vary since recycled material was used.. There is one restored at the Arizona Ry Museum.  http://www.azrymuseum.org  There are three photos:
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_1.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_2.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_3.JPG

Fe-19, ATSF 5200-5599, 400 cars, RBLT 1939-1940 out of  Fe-L, -N, -O, Bx-18, -19, -20.Â

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: More MKT "War Emergency" Modeling

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

I seem to recall that is an option available for the group settings - the ability
to edit posts! I disabled it on the BBFCL group - it seemed like a weird idea at the
time... Perhaps it makes more sense to post a correction, just like newspapers used
to do. :-)

Tim




On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 01:21 pm, Bill Welch wrote:
and cared filled and sanded

Is there a way to edit our posts?! in the last sentence it should read "and carefully filed and sanded" instead cared filled.

Bill Welch


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Douglas Harding
 

Don it is a PRR stockcar which appears to be set up for poultry crates. When I get home I'll post some more images.

Doug Harding
Sent from my phone

On May 8, 2018 4:33 PM, "Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
OK, Doug, I'll bite. What is depicted in the first photo with a CNR or CPR style stock car having rack floors in it? No hoofed animal could have been carried in such a car so I presume it was a method to
ship fowl when poultry cars were not available.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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Re: class of this ATSF box car?

charles slater
 

I forgot to list the 4 classes, senior moment I guess. They are FE-5, 12, 15 and 19.

Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of charles slater <atsfcondr42@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 4:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car?
 

Eric it could be one of 4 classes of cars all rebuilt from Fe-L, N and O class cars. Have you looked on the underframe for the brake badge plate it will have the class listed on it. The 4 classes of rebuilds all used a lot of different ends recycled from older or junked cars. It is probably an Fe-19 They lasted the longest in service until 1977.

Charlie Slater

Bakersfield, Ca.


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Lombard <elombard@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car?
 
Tim, this car agrees in detail with the four photos of Fe-19 cars in my collection. The ends vary since recycled material was used.. There is one restored at the Arizona Ry Museum.  http://www.azrymuseum.org  There are three photos:
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_1.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_2.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_3.JPG

Fe-19, ATSF 5200-5599, 400 cars, RBLT 1939-1940 out of  Fe-L, -N, -O, Bx-18, -19, -20. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: class of this ATSF box car?

charles slater
 

Eric it could be one of 4 classes of cars all rebuilt from Fe-L, N and O class cars. Have you looked on the underframe for the brake badge plate it will have the class listed on it. The 4 classes of rebuilds all used a lot of different ends recycled from older or junked cars. It is probably an Fe-19 They lasted the longest in service until 1977.

Charlie Slater

Bakersfield, Ca.


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Lombard <elombard@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 1:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car?
 
Tim, this car agrees in detail with the four photos of Fe-19 cars in my collection. The ends vary since recycled material was used.. There is one restored at the Arizona Ry Museum.  http://www.azrymuseum.org  There are three photos:
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_1.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_2.JPG
http://www.azrymuseum.org/roster/SF232493_3.JPG

Fe-19, ATSF 5200-5599, 400 cars, RBLT 1939-1940 out of  Fe-L, -N, -O, Bx-18, -19, -20. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Paint color for inside model stock cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

OK, Doug, I'll bite. What is depicted in the first photo with a CNR or CPR style stock car having rack floors in it? No hoofed animal could have been carried in such a car so I presume it was a method to 
ship fowl when poultry cars were not available.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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