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New Freight Car Photos
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
Over the past week I've added a number of new photos to my albums, rotated out some that were not so interesting, and deleted one album completely (Yolo Shortline). All photos are now in jpg format for easy loading, and all files are a convenient size. All albums are found on pages 8 and 9 of the io photo section ( https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photos ). Album 1: WP Tank Cars now includes several detail photos of WP MW1982 for those of you who like AC&F high-walkway cars. Album 4: FGEX and WFE Refrigerators has several new views of preserved FGEX cars. Album 5: Tank Cars includes some new views of (almost) everybody's favorite freight car type. Albums 6 and 7: include some new freight cars, including a view of D&RGW 63383 as it looked while still lettered for the US Navy, some grounded WP/PFE reefers, and a unique SP caboose. I always appreciate hearing comments ( sarahsan_AT_embarqmail if you don't want to post to the whole group ). As I continue scanning up my father's and my deteriorating slide collection, I will rotate in some additional photos, though most of the freight car slides have been done. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🏴
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Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.
Matt Smith
Thanks Tim O' Connor The B&W picture I have appears to have a lighter base color so I was thinking a shade of freight car red. I didn't want to assume though being its a builders photo and sometimes they're painted to enhance details vs reflection of in use colors. Thanks again! Matt Smith
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FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT
WILLIAM PARDIE
Does anyone have a good photo of the mechanism used on flat cars with a drop brake wheel shaft as used in the 40' and 50's? Thanks in advance for any help. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.
The GM&O 72000 series were typical 53'6" General Steel Castings flat cars. There were two orders, all 50 ton cars - 72000 to 72049, and 72050 to 72149, all acquired by 1955. By 1959, a number of the cars had received bulkheads for special services and had been renumbered. Mainline Modeler did indeed have a drawing for the cars but I don't recall which issue it came from. The color photo is a renumbered and rebuilt car but is probably a typical color. Tim O'Connor
Matt, Looking for information on the GM&O 72,000 Commonwealth Flats as built 3-51.
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Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.
Matt,
Was this the depressed center one piece cast flat car?
If so, there was an article with plans and photo in October 1986 Mainline
Modeler.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Smith Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:32 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info. I only have one grainy picture and its hard to tell, #1 Color #2 Type of truck used. Any information or data is appreciated! Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.
Matt Smith
Looking for information on the GM&O 72,000 Commonwealth Flats as built 3-51.
I only have one grainy picture and its hard to tell, #1 Color #2 Type of truck used. Any information or data is appreciated! Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Steam era eBay listing links
Clark Propst
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WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 7, No 2, May, 2018
dahminator68
Hello Steam Era Modeler:
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HO scale wood coal gondola
Eric Hansmann
Doug Forbes has been developing a model for a wood coal gondola used on the Illinois Traction System in the early decades of the 20th century. The prototype is very similar to a Penny gondola of the late 1800s. Check out Doug’s work on the DesignBuildOp blog. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2018/05/11/ho-wood-coal-gondola/
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Armour and Company - Seattle
This photo is from the Pauldorpat.com website, which features the Seattle-now-then column: https://i1.wp.com/pauldorpat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/armour-building-then.jpeg?ssl=1 Comment from the website: "While surely formidable, the Armour and Co. building at the northeast corner of Third Avenue and Jackson Street was not designed to be admired on the merits of its east façade, as seen here looking west from the sidewalk on the west side of Fourth Avenue South. Instead the building’s show-front looked south over Jackson Street to the railroad depots. The railroad tracks showing here connect the Great Northern Depot with the tunnel that still passes north under the business district to the foot of Belltown’s Virginia Street. The tunnel, first opened in 1905, was the best reason why J. Ogden Armour, the “millionaire Chicago packer,” chose this location for his refrigerated distribution center for the Pacific Northwest, as well as Alaska, which was then still paying for some of its meat with nuggets. Seattle was also nearer than either California or Portland to the hoped-for meat eaters of the Far East." Notice the cross-over tracks along the loading dock. And one can't ignore the Soo Line reefer which has the word "Armor" (a misspelling) chalked on the left end, along with something else as well: https://i2.wp.com/pauldorpat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/armour-detail.jpg?ssl=1 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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ATSF Fe-U 50' car as Bx-35
John Barry
These cars retained this look when the aux doors were disabled and they were re-classed as Bx-35 single door box cars. Unfortunately, all the photos I've seen of the Bx-35s are after their rebuilding with steel sides. Sure would like to see what the 1944-45 version looked like.
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John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/10/18, charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this?? To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:19 PM The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos. Charlie Slater Sent from Outlook From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:12 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this?? Steve I had exactly the same thought. And wouldn't a Santa Fe auto box of that era have a massive fishbelly underframe? Could it be scratch built or kit bashed? The underframe appears to be Athearn, with the snap on coupler covers. The ends look like the old stamped metal ones. The hat section framing and sides look like wood shapes and sheets. I remember the wrap around metal roof ribs, too. Steve Hile From: bill woelfel via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:42 AM To: RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this?? Sorry, forgot the link. https://www.ebay.com/itm/332639060495
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Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
charles slater
Here is the builders photo that was used to model this car. It was stripped off my last text. Charlie Slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 1:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this?? Thanks Charlie, excellent photos! >The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos. > >Charlie Slater
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Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
Thanks Charlie, excellent photos!
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The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos.
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Re: class of this ATSF box car?
charles slater
The underframes by the late 1940's and early 1950's were rusting out, and like most of the 50 foot Fe-class cars received new bolsters, end sills and draft gear pockets. (see page 58 of the SFRH&MS book Vol. 3 "Furniture and Automobile Box Cars") The small "I" beam tab was only on the AS rebuilt version of these cars. Charlie Slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Lombard <elombard@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:15 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car? Charlie, et al, that other classes received the "tabs" is great to know. Scratch one possible spotting feature! And I note in the Fe-15 photo you included that the side sill reinforcement is of the long variety extending a side panel's width beyond the
right door opening. Scratch a second spotting feature. And I have received a couple of Fe-19 photos without the "tabs" as well. Scratch a third potential spotting feature. It would seem, as you say, that the tabs were added to members of all classes with advancing
age. By 1975 the last few Fe-19s in service had underfames between 60 and 64 years old. Come to think of it when I reached into that age bracket I was thinking "tabs", might be a help, too.
The leaves the formation of the corner between the end and side plates. Fe-15 and Fe-19 have the continuous angle riveted to both the side and end. My suggestion would be that is because of their greater inside width at 9-5 making the reused end-stampings too short to wrap around to the side as in the Fe-5 inside 9-2. Sure would like to see a photo of an Fe-12. At inside width 10-3 it is hard to predict the structure of the corner joint. Eric
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Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
charles slater
The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos. Charlie Slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:12 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this?? Steve I had exactly the same thought. And wouldn't a Santa Fe auto box of that era have a massive fishbelly underframe? Could it be scratch built or kit bashed? The underframe appears to be Athearn, with the snap on coupler covers. The ends look like the old stamped metal ones. The hat section framing and sides look like wood shapes and sheets. I remember the wrap around metal roof ribs, too.
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Re: class of this ATSF box car?
Charlie, et al, that other classes received the "tabs" is great to know. Scratch one possible spotting feature! And I note in the Fe-15 photo you included that the side sill reinforcement is of the long variety extending a side panel's width beyond the right door opening. Scratch a second spotting feature. And I have received a couple of Fe-19 photos without the "tabs" as well. Scratch a third potential spotting feature. It would seem, as you say, that the tabs were added to members of all classes with advancing age. By 1975 the last few Fe-19s in service had underfames between 60 and 64 years old. Come to think of it when I reached into that age bracket I was thinking "tabs", might be a help, too.
The leaves the formation of the corner between the end and side plates. Fe-15 and Fe-19 have the continuous angle riveted to both the side and end. My suggestion would be that is because of their greater inside width at 9-5 making the reused end-stampings too short to wrap around to the side as in the Fe-5 inside 9-2. Sure would like to see a photo of an Fe-12. At inside width 10-3 it is hard to predict the structure of the corner joint. Eric
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Re: class of this ATSF box car?
charles slater
The Santa Fe USUALLY but not always just change the first letter to a "W", however sometimes they were simply marked as "We" and box cars as "Wx" sometimes they were mismarked as coming from the wrong class.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:58 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car? Eric,
I then suppose the car below is a former Fe-19. The class We-19 almost seems too easy. Photo taken in South Los Angeles, March 1975, complete with an insouciant pigeon on the roof (at extreme left). Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🏴 On 5/9/18 8:24 PM, Eric Lombard wrote:
Tim and Charlie... and everyone else who might have an interest:
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Re: class of this ATSF box car?
charles slater
The Fe-5 and 15 also received those large channel side sill tabs in later years, as did the Fe-19. Charlie
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Lombard <elombard@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 5:24 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] class of this ATSF box car? Tim and Charlie... and everyone else who might have an interest:
Observations and thoughts... In my original response(s) I did not consider the the other classes because the physical features of the car indicated Fe-19 to me. 1. The cars get bigger with time:
The end features of the cars are apparently NOT class specific - at least that anyone has been able to determine. Rather mixes of "reverse" Dreadnaught and reverse Murphy panels and blank sheets are used in all classes (and in 50-6 cars being rebuilt at the same time). In both cases the two ends of the car may be different. Some of the cars were renumbered: Fe-05 63000-63254 RENO 4400-4648 begin 1956
Fe-12 63651-63750 RENO 5100-5199 begin 1953
Fe-15 63255-63504 19 RENO 6360-6378 1943, IH 12-4, end doors, airplane, RENO back 1945-6 to original height
20 RENO 6670-6689 1944, XAP airplane parts, RENO back 1945-6
All remaining cars with end doors RENO to 6700-6723 1949
Fe-19 5200-5599 5 RENO to 6550-6554? 1957 but off roster 1-1958
Photos of Fe-12s in original or renumbered series are probably rare. There were only 100. None of the usual on-line sites have one, nor any publication I have examined. If someone out there has one I would love to have a peak at it! Thanks entertaining my thoughts on this! Eric
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Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
Steve I had exactly the same thought. And wouldn't a Santa Fe auto box of that era have a massive fishbelly underframe?
Could it be scratch built or kit bashed? The underframe appears to be Athearn, with the snap on coupler covers. The ends look like the old stamped metal ones. The hat section framing and sides look like wood shapes and sheets. I remember the wrap around metal roof ribs, too.
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Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
Could it be scratch built or kit bashed? The underframe
appears to be Athearn, with the snap on coupler covers. The ends look like
the old stamped metal ones. The hat section framing and sides look like
wood shapes and sheets. I remember the wrap around metal roof ribs,
too.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of bill woelfel via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:42 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
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