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Re: Transporting The World's Longest Cable

Mikebrock
 

 

 

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What is the vertical rod to the left of the ladder in

 


Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

golden1014
 

Hi Bill,

I have a few photos from an article I did on SAL 40-foot flats a few years ago.  If you think they would help, give me a shout offline at Golden1014 at yahoo.com.

Hope you're doing great, Bill! 

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany


Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

Rhbale@...
 

Bill...

Richard Bale

In a message dated 5/13/2018 5:42:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, PARDIEW001@... writes:


Does anyone have a good photo of the mechanism used on flat cars with a drop brake wheel shaft as used in the 40' and 50's?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


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Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

James Brewer
 

Here is an example from a N&W Class F-3 flat:


Jim Brewer

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Gene Green via Groups.Io <genegreen1942@...> wrote:
Bill,
Which hand brake?  I have 3 or 4 different horizontal wheel hand brakes in the back yard.  I can provide all the photos you want.  Please contact me directly at genegreen1942@....
Gene Green



Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Bill,
Which hand brake?  I have 3 or 4 different horizontal wheel hand brakes in the back yard.  I can provide all the photos you want.  Please contact me directly at genegreen1942@....
Gene Green


Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

Nelson Moyer
 

Dan’s correct, you need to determine the brake type you need first, then look for photos. I have a B end photo of the Perfection drop down hand brake used for CB&Q FM-14 flat cars that I used to model four cars. I can send it if that’s the type of hand brake you need.

Nelson Moyer

On May 14, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:

Hello Bill,

 

There is no the in drop shaft hand brakes. There are many versions of drop shaft mechanisms.

An overview of some is in RPCYC #10, P21 Equipco, P39 Peacock, P 44 Superior, P50 Universal,

P 54 Ureco. There is info in the relevant CBC’s covering our period of interest. In a previous post

I listed articles that have been published on hand brakes

 

For modeling, there are few to choose from. Keep in mind that tank car and flat car hand brakes

are related with drop shaft hand brakes being a variant of stationary shaft versions used on tank

cars.

 

Dan Smith

 

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Re: FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

 

Hello Bill,

 

There is no the in drop shaft hand brakes. There are many versions of drop shaft mechanisms.

An overview of some is in RPCYC #10, P21 Equipco, P39 Peacock, P 44 Superior, P50 Universal,

P 54 Ureco. There is info in the relevant CBC’s covering our period of interest. In a previous post

I listed articles that have been published on hand brakes

 

For modeling, there are few to choose from. Keep in mind that tank car and flat car hand brakes

are related with drop shaft hand brakes being a variant of stationary shaft versions used on tank

cars.

 

Dan Smith

 

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New Freight Car Photos

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Over the past week I've added a number of new photos to my albums, rotated out some that were not so interesting, and deleted one album completely (Yolo Shortline). All photos are now in jpg format for easy loading, and all files are a convenient size. All albums are found on pages 8 and 9 of the io photo section ( https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photos ).

Album 1: WP Tank Cars now includes several detail photos of WP MW1982 for those of you who like AC&F high-walkway cars.

Album 4: FGEX and WFE Refrigerators has several new views of preserved FGEX cars.

Album 5: Tank Cars includes some new views of (almost) everybody's favorite freight car type.

Albums 6 and 7: include some new freight cars, including a view of D&RGW 63383 as it looked while still lettered for the US Navy, some grounded WP/PFE reefers, and a unique SP caboose.

I always appreciate hearing comments ( sarahsan_AT_embarqmail if you don't want to post to the whole group ). As I continue scanning up my father's and my deteriorating slide collection, I will rotate in some additional photos, though most of the freight car slides have been done.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿



Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.

Matt Smith
 

Thanks Tim O' Connor 

The B&W picture I have appears to have a lighter base color so I was thinking a shade of freight car red. 

I didn't want to assume though being its a builders photo and sometimes they're painted to enhance details vs reflection of in use colors.

Thanks again!
Matt Smith


FLAT CAR DROP BRAKE SHAFT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Does anyone have a good photo of the mechanism used on flat cars with a drop brake wheel shaft as used in the 40' and 50's?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.

Tim O'Connor
 


The GM&O 72000 series were typical 53'6" General Steel Castings flat cars.
There were two orders, all 50 ton cars - 72000 to 72049, and 72050 to 72149,
all acquired by 1955. By 1959, a number of the cars had received bulkheads for
special services and had been renumbered.

Mainline Modeler did indeed have a drawing for the cars but I don't recall
which issue it came from.

The color photo is a renumbered and rebuilt car but is probably a typical color.

Tim O'Connor





Matt,
Was this the depressed center one piece cast flat car?  If so, there was an article with plans and photo in October 1986 Mainline Modeler.
Steve Hile



Looking for information on the GM&O 72,000 Commonwealth Flats as built 3-51.

I only have one grainy picture and its hard to tell,
#1 Color
#2 Type of truck used.

Any information or data is appreciated!
Matt Smith


Re: GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Matt,
 
Was this the depressed center one piece cast flat car?  If so, there was an article with plans and photo in October 1986 Mainline Modeler.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Smith
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.

Looking for information on the GM&O 72,000 Commonwealth Flats as built 3-51.

I only have one grainy picture and its hard to tell,
#1 Color 
#2 Type of truck used.

Any information or data is appreciated!
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


GM&O 72,000 Flat as built info.

Matt Smith
 

Looking for information on the GM&O 72,000 Commonwealth Flats as built 3-51.

I only have one grainy picture and its hard to tell,
#1 Color 
#2 Type of truck used.

Any information or data is appreciated!
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Steam era eBay listing links

Clark Propst
 


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 7, No 2, May, 2018

dahminator68
 

Hello Steam Era Modeler:

 
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HO scale wood coal gondola

Eric Hansmann
 

Doug Forbes has been developing a model for a wood coal gondola used on the Illinois Traction System in the early decades of the 20th century. The prototype is very similar to a Penny gondola of the late 1800s. Check out Doug’s work on the DesignBuildOp blog.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2018/05/11/ho-wood-coal-gondola/

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Armour and Company - Seattle

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo is from the Pauldorpat.com website, which features the Seattle-now-then column:

https://i1.wp.com/pauldorpat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/armour-building-then.jpeg?ssl=1

Comment from the website: "While surely formidable, the Armour and Co. building at the northeast corner of Third Avenue and Jackson Street was not designed to be admired on the merits of its east façade, as seen here looking west from the sidewalk on the west side of Fourth Avenue South.  Instead the building’s show-front looked south over Jackson Street to the railroad depots.  The railroad tracks showing here connect the Great Northern Depot with the tunnel that still passes north under the business district to the foot of Belltown’s Virginia Street.  The tunnel, first opened in 1905, was the best reason why J. Ogden Armour, the “millionaire Chicago packer,” chose this location for his refrigerated distribution center for the Pacific Northwest, as well as Alaska, which was then still paying for some of its meat with nuggets.  Seattle was also nearer than either California or Portland to the hoped-for meat eaters of the Far East."

Notice the cross-over tracks along the loading dock. And one can't ignore the Soo Line reefer which has the word "Armor" (a misspelling) chalked on the left end, along with something else as well:

https://i2.wp.com/pauldorpat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/armour-detail.jpg?ssl=1

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA 


ATSF Fe-U 50' car as Bx-35

John Barry
 

These cars retained this look when the aux doors were disabled and they were re-classed as Bx-35 single door box cars. Unfortunately, all the photos I've seen of the Bx-35s are after their rebuilding with steel sides. Sure would like to see what the 1944-45 version looked like.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Thu, 5/10/18, charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:19 PM



The Fe-U does
not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also
not painted off white but the builders photo was for better
visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered
in the normal mineral
brown with white lettering. See photos.
Charlie
Slater






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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:12 AM

To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose
model is this??
 



Steve I had exactly the same thought. And wouldn't a
Santa Fe auto box of

that era have a massive fishbelly underframe?







Could it be
scratch built or kit bashed?  The underframe appears to be
Athearn, with the snap on coupler covers.  The ends look
like the old stamped metal ones.  The
hat section framing and sides look like wood shapes and
sheets.  I remember the wrap around metal roof ribs,
too.

 

Steve
Hile




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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 9:42 AM

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model
is this??



Sorry, forgot the link.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/332639060495


Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??

charles slater
 

Here is the builders photo that was used to model this car. It was stripped off my last text.

Charlie Slater


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 1:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??
 

Thanks Charlie, excellent photos!


>The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos.
>
>Charlie Slater





Re: ATSF Fe-U 50' car Whose model is this??

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Charlie, excellent photos!

The Fe-U does not have the massive underframe. (see photo) They were also not painted off white but the builders photo was for better visibility of the construction. All the cars were delivered in the normal mineral brown with white lettering. See photos.

Charlie Slater

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