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Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steven D Johnson
 

John,

The as-built ends were 4-4 improved dreadnaught, not 3-4. The one on #19210 is definitely different. I'm looking at the end of one of those cars rebuilt by L&N's South Louisville Shops, which retained the original 4-4 ends.

I don't know what that object is on/in the truck.

Steve Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 10:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steve,

I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across.

My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck.

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696


PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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#yiv2026767240 Bill, I have a copy of that photo of
NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the
end is not the original type as-delivered. See attached
builder’s photo of #19399. Perhaps the newer end is from
a rebuild after a wreck. Steve Johnson From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018
9:11 PM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re:
[RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499 Ron I am unsure of
the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps
you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

John Barry
 

Steve,

I think the ends are the same 3-4 improved dreadnaught on both cars. The shadow on the color photo conveniently obscures the taper and wide center portion of the major ribs, making it easy to assume they are straight across.

My question is what is the object on the right side of the right truck in the builder's photo? I've not noticed such a device on other trucks. It is not on the visible portion of the other truck.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sat, 5/26/18, Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@comcast.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2018, 11:28 PM

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#yiv2026767240 Bill,  I have a copy of that photo of
NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the
end is not the original type as-delivered.  See attached
builder’s photo of #19399.  Perhaps the newer end is from
a rebuild after a wreck.   Steve Johnson  From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018
9:11 PM
To:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re:
[RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499  Ron I am unsure of
the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps
you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steven D Johnson
 

Ron,

 

Many NC&StL freight cars ran in full NC paint well after the 1957 merger with L&N.  Some were given the patch job with L&N reporting marks and number.  Most (400) of these particular NC&StL XM35 boxcars were involved in a rebuilding program at the South Louisville Shops in 1964 and became L&N series 92000-92399.  There’s a photo of #92084 on page 15 of the L&N Color Guide, Volume One.

 

I have copies of the NC&StL-L&N car-by-car renumbering documents for most of the NC cars, and probably have the pages on these cars.

 

Steve Johnson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 5:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

 

I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946.  Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book.  Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.

What kind of trucks? 

The 1966 ORER still shows sixty-some of the 500 cars with original reporting marks.  Of the ones that got repainted, were they mostly patch jobs or full repaint?   What number series did they go to after L&N renumbering, if any?

Ron Merrick


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Steven D Johnson
 

Bill,

 

I have a copy of that photo of NC&StL #19210 that you attached, and noticed that the end is not the original type as-delivered.  See attached builder’s photo of #19399.  Perhaps the newer end is from a rebuild after a wreck. 

 

Steve Johnson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

 

Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

Bill Welch
 

Ron I am unsure of the provenance of the attached photo but hope it helps you.

Bill Welch
Ya'll RR Modeler


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

mopacfirst
 

Thanks, Brian.  I have a good inventory of the Kato.

Ron Merrick


Re: Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

brianleppert@att.net
 

A-3 Ride Control.  Kato or Kadee.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Info needed NC&StL 19000-19499

mopacfirst
 

I'm building a Branchline kit for NC&StL 19000 series box, built 1946.  Haven't found any photos on line or in the L&N book.  Lots of photos of the PS-1 22000 series.

What kind of trucks? 

The 1966 ORER still shows sixty-some of the 500 cars with original reporting marks.  Of the ones that got repainted, were they mostly patch jobs or full repaint?   What number series did they go to after L&N renumbering, if any?

Ron Merrick


Freight Car Truck article in June 2018 MRH

Bill Welch
 

Richard Bale has a lengthy article about FC trucks in the June issue of MRH.

Bill Welch


60 Days to 2018 St. Louis RPM!

golden1014
 

Hi Friends,

We're looking forward to seeing you in Collinsville, Illinois on 20-21 July for the big 2018 St. Louis RPM meet!    

Meet up with 550 of your friends and fellow railroad modelers at the nation's largest railroad prototype modeler's event.  St. Louis RPM 2018 features 23 clinics and 7 hands-on presentations, 120 tables of hand-picked, scale model vendors (no swap meet stuff!), 2 kitbash clinics, modular layouts in house, 16 railroad historical societies, hands-on learning stations and exhibitors, home layout tours, evening social events, and the largest attendee model display in the nation, which usually includes up to 3,500 or more models brought by attendees like you for display.  All this and more in the modern, professional Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois, just 15 minutes east of metro St. Louis.

Want more info?  Check out our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm for flyers, photos and details, or contact Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@... or John Golden at Golden1014@....  You can also simply Google St. Louis RPM and read all about it. 

For up-to-the-minute meet details, read on!

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Your Models!
STL RPM is a modeler's meet, and the heart of our event is Your Models.  Bring your models--one or a hundred--for our huge model display.  There are No contest or awards.  Bring your models to meet new friends, display and teach your work, and learn from your fellow friends and modelers.  We have a whopping 80 full 8 x 2-1/2-foot tables set aside for models this year so bring 'em!  Rolling stock, structures, modules, dioramas, and everything related to railroad modeling--in any scale or gauge--is welcome.  Displaying your models is easy, free and safe.  We want to set a mark of 5,000 models so bring them along and take part in the big event.

Vendors
Vendors are a very important part of our event.  We'll have 120 tables of hand-picked, scale model vendors waiting for you.  In addition to offering the latest products, our vendors are coming to meet you and talk to you about your ideas and new products.  This year's heavy-hitter lineup includes Tangent Scale Models, Speedwitch, Intermountain, ExactRail, Yarmouth, Kadee, Bluford Shops, Protocraft, Rapido, Rails Unlimited, Mask Island Hobbies, Plano, True Line Trains, Bethlehem Car Works, Minuteman Models, Central Valley, Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply, SoundTraxx, ScaleTrains, Badger, Cannon & Co., Custom Finishing, Chad Boas/Model Railroad Supply, Modern O Scale, Mood Dog Rail Cars, OST Publications, Rocket Express, Q Connection, Spring Creek Hobbies, Classic Trains and Ferraris (the guy with all the Sunshine kits) and more.  Is Iowa Scaled Engineering coming?  You bet--and they're bringing their complete line including the much-talked-about Proto-Throttle, so be sure to pull up a chair and check it out.  We've got a big lineup of photo dealers as well, including Bob's Photos, Mainline Photos, Jim Shaw Photos, and John Fuller from Historical Rail Photos. Our vendors spend a lot of time and money coming to St. Louis so please be sure to tell them thanks! 

Hands-On Learning Stations
We've got a lot of cool hands-on exhibitors lined up this year.  Jack Burgess will host a clinic on 3D castings and then will be on the ballroom floor with his CNC machine showing you how to make 3D castings.  Jeff Otto of Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply will be on hand laying turnouts, so be sure to sit with Jeff and learn how to hand-lay your own turnouts.  And finally, Dave Schroedle and the boys from The Weathering Shop are teaming up to provide hands-on learning stations for you to try weathering with powders and other media.  Bring your models, or buy them at the meet, and sit down with the guys and learn some new weathering techniques from the experts.

Hands-On Kitbash Clinics
We have not one but two HO model-building clinics this year.  Ted Culotta of Speedwitch will provide an HO scale freight car model, resin parts, decals, and a special clinic, all designed to discuss the prototype and how to kitbash it.  You can sign up to attend Ted's kitbash clinic online starting on June 15th at http://speedwitchmedia.com/  Our second clinic is being hosted by John Greene of Bethelehem Car Works.  John will provide a clinic and for $15 John will provide a 6-3 sleeper and parts for a unique kitbash.  Sign up for John's clinic will be available at the meet!

Clinics
STL RPM 2018 will feature 23 clinics, all of them about the prototype and how to model it.  Bob Rivard, Jack Burgess, Jim Dufour, Ted Culotta, Mont Switzer, Brian Banna, Dan Holbrook, David Lehlbach, Trevor Marshall, Randy Laframboise, Tim VanMersbergen, Steve Hile, John Greene and Bill Welch highlight our list.  Clinics and presentations run from 9:30 to 5:00 on both Friday and Saturday.  Our Friday Night Pizza Party and Slide Show is hosted by St. Louis native and author John Kohlberg, who will discuss ICG East St. Louis Railroad Interchange Operations in the 1970s: A look at the ICG through its East St. Louis Railroad connections, including A&S, BN, B&O, C&NW, IT, MoP, N&W, L&N, PC, SOU, SLSF, SSW, and TRRA.

1/87 Vehicles Group
Bob Johnson and the world-famous 1/87 Vehicle Group will attend this year with a whole lot of models and special vehicle vendors to help power up your HO scale vehicle modeling.  Vendors including Zycon Models and Lonestar Models, plus a couple others we're still working on, will be in attendance. 

Layouts
New this year, the Ohio Valley Sipping and Switching Society's HO scale modular layout will be in house , alongside Jim Canters awesome Proto48 Nickel Plate modular layout.  Home layout tours are available on Friday evening.  This year we're featuring southwest county layouts by John Schindler, Bob Brady and Mike Wise.  Home layouts are available for registered guests only.  More information, maps and schedules will be available at registration.

Railroad Historical Societies
16 railroad historical societies, representing the Missouri Pacific, New York Central, C&EI, CNW, L&N, Nickel Plate, Wabash, CB&Q, GM&O, Illinois Terminal, and the Terminal Railroad Association will be here, along with the National Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, and maybe a few late surprises too.  The MoPac Society is hosting their annual Railroad Historical Society Meeting on Friday evening.  All officers and officials of all railroad historical societies are welcome.  Details on the Historical Society meeting will be available at the meet. 

Door Prizes
Want door prizes?  Our ridiculous, never-ending door prize giveaway will happen on Saturday evening.

Socials
The party starts on Thursday evening, July 19th.  Meet us at Bandana's BBQ on 4 Commerce Drive in Collinsville for our annual and totally unofficial BBQ social and BS session.  It's always packed so get there early.  Then it's off to the DoubleTree for more eats and more BSing led by our Chief St. Louis RPM BS-er, Mr. Lonnie Bathurst.  On Saturday evening after the Historical Society meeting, Lonnie Bathurst hosts the PowerPoint and Pizza Party, with pizza, beer and BS-ing at the convention center followed by John Kohlberg's ICG presentation.  Later that night, meet Lonnie and Dave at the DoubleTree for a nightcap and more BS-ing.

Hotels
Hotels are on your own.  Our featured hotel is the DoubleTree next door to the convention center, which can be found online at http://doubletree3.hilton.com/en/hotels/illinois/doubletree-by-hilton-hotel-collinsville-st-louis-STLCNDT/index.html.  We've got a special rate there for RPM attendees--just call and tell them you want the "RPM Rate".  Other area hotels are also offering RPM rates, so be sure to ask when registering.

St. Louis Attractions
The Cardinals aren't in town, but come early anyway and visit the awesome National Museum of Transportation http://transportmuseumassociation.org/, the John Barriger National Railroad Library http://www.umsl.edu/mercantile/barriger/index.html and take in some of St. Louis's wonderful attractions like the Missouri Botanical Garden, the Gateway Arch National Park, the St. Louis Zoo, Six Flags, and some great shopping.

The Biggest.  The Best.
St. Louis RPM 2018 will be the biggest RPM meet ever.  Don't stay home, man--BRING YOUR MODELS and be part of the big event.  All this for just 25 bucks. 

Thanks
We are grateful to our partners, the Gateway Division, NMRA, for helping us make this happen. 

Note To Self:
BRING YOUR MODELS!

Questions? 
Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... or Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@....

See you in St. Louis!  
 
Signed, The St. Louis RPM Crew:
Dave Roeder
Brian McQuitty
Mark Lewis
Jeff Kuebler
Lonnie Bathurst
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden

P.S. BRING YOUR MODELS!


Re: Side-door Cabooses [was Why Transfer cabooses?]

Steve and Barb Hile
 

This provides an interesting explanation on the situation that the Rock Island encountered when they converted a number of single sheathed boxcars to cabooses beginning in the late 1930s.  Most were shortened by removing most of the center section where the side door had been and were configured just the same as their standard double sheathed wood and steel cabooses.
 
However, twenty cars ultimately were left full length to be assigned to mixed train service, many of which were used in Iowa, home of dozens of RI branches.  For these cars, the body bolster was moved inboard to provide for passenger steps and a platform at one end (where there were a few coach seats and a small toilet enclosure.  The other end initially received only an crew access door between the vertical braces on the end.  See the photo for sale on eBay for how this looked.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rock-Island-RI-Outer-Braced-Caboose-17781-at-Topeka-KS-in-1941-8x10-Photo/302732824398?hash=item467c484f4e:g:kJYAAOSwY0lXS~Xw
 
Within a few years, a second platform was added at the crew end.  The bolster was not moved, so the crew used a three step ladder attached to the side sill.  See https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rock-Island-RI-Outer-Braced-Caboose-17772-8x10-Photo/302737143549?hash=item467c8a36fd:g:kB4AAOSwNSxVFQMY
 
I have been studying the branch from Cedar Rapids to Decorah which hosted a mixed train daily, each way in the 40's and 50's.  The southbound train had a 4 mile back up move to Postville, Iowa and I had speculated that was (maybe also) a reason for the addition of of a better crew platform on that end.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Side-door Cabooses [was Why Transfer cabooses?]

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 09:19 pm, Merlyn Lauber wrote:
I believe the Side Door Ban on the IC cabooses in Iowa was an old Union rule
Considering I can find no Iowa statute that specifically mentions side doors, I'm beginning to think the "ban" was self imposed by the IC, either in response to union pressure or because they had to pay a whopping injury settlement (which would have been imposed by the Iowa state courts and could be the basis urban legend that it's a "law".) I did find a citation to the 1911 statute I linked to the other day in the 1946 court case Fleming vs. Richardson , the complaint being: On complaint of a trainmen's association that the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railway Company was violating section 7972 of the 1939 Code of Iowa, by operating caboose cars on its railroads in Iowa, with but one platform, but no references to side doors. I also found a citation to the 1911 statute in a list of current (2018) Iowa law, but with the disclaimer that the list on the web site may be out of date.

More for general information, and more pertinent to the recent discussion of four wheel cabooses, is this compilation of state laws governing cabooses as of December, 1912. Caboose Laws

Dennis Storzek


Sunshine Model Kit

George Corral
 

Hi all,

I'm looking for a Sunshine Models MDT 8000 series composite reefer kit #20.1, 1941-1960. If you have one that you can send my way, I will give it a good home.

Cheers,

George Corral
La Grange, KY


Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

Douglas Harding
 

When using PowerPoint with intentions of showing your program on another computer, ie via a thumb drive, make sure you save the file as a “Package Presentation for CD” file, which is different than the standard save in PowerPoint. Go to file, then save & send, choose presentation package for CD, then choose package for CD, then choose save to folder. This last click will allow you to choose your thumb drive. Your file size will be larger, but it will include all fonts, videos and other special features you worked so hard to create. And it will all be on your thumb drive, not on that computer back at home or the office.

 

A standard PowerPoint file assumes the fonts chosen, videos, and other special features reside on the computer in the exact location as on the computer used during creation. If using a different computer during presentation you will not see your special features.

 

Also be aware that older version of PowerPoint do not recognize some common video formats, esp Microsoft formats. If you plan to include a video clip in your presentation, you may have to convert it. And be sure to try it on another computer to make sure it will work.

 

These are some tricks I have learned doing weekly presentations in two different churches each week.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

 

Create on your new iPad, and save to a thumb drive. Someone will have a real computer at the event…. 8^)

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 4:41 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

 

We all have our methods and reasons Bill and Tony but unfortunately I suffer from a Chronic Condition known as the "What Ifs" . . .

—What If my computer will not boot up?
—What If I can not find a computer to use with a compatible version of "Keynote"
—What If. . . on and on

Also when Keynote is converted to PowerPoint it does not read all of the formatting and at least in my case the presentation looks like S@#$%^&*T.

As to the points Bill raises, I have never noticed losing any of those things when I convert from Keynote to the Hi-Res PDF. IF they are n the original, they are on the PDF.

So I plan to continue to do what works for me.

Bill Welch


Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Create on your new iPad, and save to a thumb drive. Someone will have a real computer at the event…. 8^)

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 4:41 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

 

We all have our methods and reasons Bill and Tony but unfortunately I suffer from a Chronic Condition known as the "What Ifs" . . .

—What If my computer will not boot up?
—What If I can not find a computer to use with a compatible version of "Keynote"
—What If. . . on and on

Also when Keynote is converted to PowerPoint it does not read all of the formatting and at least in my case the presentation looks like S@#$%^&*T.

As to the points Bill raises, I have never noticed losing any of those things when I convert from Keynote to the Hi-Res PDF. IF they are n the original, they are on the PDF.

So I plan to continue to do what works for me.

Bill Welch


Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

np328
 

   I can share your concerns. Several years ago my wife bought a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, and I loved it. So much lighter than the other laptop we had and when we travel, it is such a difference. Best of all, it still has Windows 7 instead of Windows 10. Having said that, because it is smaller and lighter it has a micro HDMI port.  I needed to get a mini-HDMI to 9-pin to interface with most projectors at meets. Now that HMDI equipped projectors are becoming the standard, I might get a micro HDMI to standard HDMI adaptor for those. And these adaptors are crucial links. 
   I have never had problems interfacing the laptop however and for some reason, except at the back rooms at the Chicagoland (former Sunshine) RPM's. So yes, your hesitancy is well founded.

    Of a platform for presenting on, I would suggest you take a look at Open Office. https://www.openoffice.org/  It is a free download, requires only 256 MB of RAM, so it is light on the hard drive. It also works with both Mac and PC. Many years back, when Richard Hendrickson had a presentation on his Mac that was on a CD fail to open, I grabbed my former PC laptop with Open Office and the show went on.
         Yes it does not have all the bells and whistles as full PowerPoint, and at times, rarely for me, a text does not emulate properly, however again, I only recall that happening once. It could have been the text I chose. 

     I do have a full (Microsoft) Office set up on my home PC and Yoga laptop however also have Open Office on both as a back-up. As I stated prior, it requires very little space on the hard drive and does PowerPoint, Word, an a few other office like programs.                                                                                                                                                                                                           Jim Dick - St. Paul 


! waRE: [RealSTMFC] Side-door Cabooses [was Why Transfer cabooses?]

Charlie Vlk
 

To amplify Doug and Nelson’s comments on CB&Q Waycars…..

Without researching the issue, the application of Allied Full Cushion Trucks to CB&Q waycars was very limited (to two cars… One wood and one welded steel IRRC).

Side door cars were not unusual in any period on the CB&Q and were applied as needed and not as a class of cars.  The three classes of steel cars had conventional ride control freight car trucks.

Side door cars are different than blind cars without end platforms (sometimes called “Mulelies” on other roads).   The Class NE-5 was used both during WWI and WWII for waycars converted from boxcars as a temporary measure.   The WWI cars did get cupolas and many received end platforms, while the WWII side door cars were more like MOW cars and had the one window on each side with a small all-weatherish extension as a sort of bay window but had blind ends not intended for boarding.

I’ve not seen mention of legal authority to use the temporary cars for the CB&Q because I have not done such research but have run across Illinois Railroad and Warehouse Commission permissions to use non-standard waycars for other roads for specified time periods around 1900.

No doubt the banning of “bouncers” or four-wheel bobbers were motivated by pressure from the Brotherhoods.   The Q built a number of such cars after the turn of the century and they lasted to the 1930s…in what service I am not sure where or why.  There was an earlier class of such cars and in pre-1880 times more bobbers, side door cars, and very short eight wheel cars that show up in a stereopticon photo of the Aurora Shops that is the only record of waycars that look very different from the CB&Q “standard” 28’ and 30’ cars that we know.

The No.7 truck WAS a passenger car truck as it was used under a number of different classes of mail, baggage, cream, RPO, business, and coach cars as well as being the standard waycar truck.   It was almost a clone of the longer No. 2 truck which was a passenger car truck.   The C&NW and UP must have liked the Q design as they also used a clone; even the UP calling it the Q truck.   But many 1880 cabooses were equipped with such trucks on many roads east to west.   Wood Q waycars of 1870 design with No. 7 trucks lasted through the BN merger.   And yes, they were smooth riding at speed.

The CB&Q had only one “transfer” waycar built from a single sheathed boxcar primarily for service at the Western Avenue Yards in Chicago, probably because of the same pressures mentioned for other roads.

Charlie Vlk 

 


Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

We all have our methods and reasons Bill and Tony but unfortunately I suffer from a Chronic Condition known as the "What Ifs" . . .

—What If my computer will not boot up?
—What If I can not find a computer to use with a compatible version of "Keynote"
—What If. . . on and on

     I always bring a memory stick with my Powerpoint version on it. If my computer won't boot up, lots of computers will accept Powerpoint because it's pretty much a Microsoft OS standard. But you are right, Bill, do what you feel most comfortable doing.

Also when Keynote is converted to PowerPoint it does not read all of the formatting and at least in my case the presentation looks like S@#$%^&*T.

      Yes, Bill, though I tried to be more tactful about the results of the conversion(s).  <g>

Tony Thompson




Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

Bill Welch
 

We all have our methods and reasons Bill and Tony but unfortunately I suffer from a Chronic Condition known as the "What Ifs" . . .

—What If my computer will not boot up?
—What If I can not find a computer to use with a compatible version of "Keynote"
—What If. . . on and on

Also when Keynote is converted to PowerPoint it does not read all of the formatting and at least in my case the presentation looks like S@#$%^&*T.

As to the points Bill raises, I have never noticed losing any of those things when I convert from Keynote to the Hi-Res PDF. IF they are n the original, they are on the PDF.

So I plan to continue to do what works for me.

Bill Welch


Re: Canadian National Eight-Hatch Reefers

John Riddell
 

 

By the way, the CP and CN steel 8-hatch reefers were designed, built and used in general service for transporting over great distances any perishable commodities that required temperature protection in winter or summer.   CP and CN did not think it was economically justified for each railway to build and maintain individual fleets of reefers dedicated to particular service such as produce, fruit, dairy, fish, meat, etc.  A single design was developed for general service. The reefers were fitted with permanent underslung heaters, overhead ice tanks and internal meat hooks when the car was required to transport meat.

 

John Riddell

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: RPM Freight Car Presentation Hardware Question

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Keene wrote:

I am somewhat surprised that you convert your presentations to PDF and not present using the Keynote software. I am curious about your reasons for this as it appears to me that you are loosing the ability to do slide builds and highlight portions of the slides with shapes and/or highlighting. You also loose the ability for seamless transitions. Ditto the overlaying of information. 

     I agree, Bill, and there is no necessity to make the PDF conversion. If one likes Keynote better than Powerpoint, one can always create the talk in Keynote and save a version as Powerpoint, which almost always <g> preserves everything you created. I used to do that, because I do like Keynote, and some projectors don't seem to like Keynote. But after a few disappointments with the failures to get the same exact slides, I have given up and just use Powerpoint, both to create and to show my freight car talks. Powerpoint is fairly clunky, but the process does work dependably. 

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