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Re: Decal setting solution options

Bill Welch
 

Thanks for confirming my memory Richard. Given that it not on their website, hopefully they include it with their decals. Still, this seems like a desperate effort for what is obviously a badly flawed product.

For those still looking for a more effective Decal Set, Tamiya has a relatively new product: https://freetimehobbies.com/tamiya-mark-fit-strong-decal-setting-solution/

Bill Welch

Re: Freight Car Truck article in June 2018 MRH

rdgbuff56
 

Jack,
I do the same thing. Scan articles from mags and down load to various folders. Do you have any on side sill measurements?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.
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On Tue, 5/29/18, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Car Truck article in June 2018 MRH
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 1:44 PM

[snip]So I don’t
understand why anyone needs someone to send them a
pdf.    John
Hagen  John…I, like many others,
like to keep articles like this one in a folder on my
computer where it is easily available for reference. My
folder has all of Richard Bale’s articles, Gene Green’s
articles on air brakes and rivets, and about 90
more…  Jack

Re: Decal setting solution options

Tim O'Connor
 


LOL! What's next, "iron on" decals? Just a bit of heat is all you need...


Well, they didn't suggest using a stapler, so there's that.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

Richard,

I stand corrected and educated but.....................WOW!!!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 10:12:05 PM CDT, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend= netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:


Here is what Tichy says:

Due to the problems some of you are having with adhesion of logos and other large decal areas, we have changed our recommended application procedure. Float the decal off the backing paper and blot dry with a paper towel. Use a Q-Tip to apply a thin coat of Elmer's clear glue to the back side. Position the decal with tweezers and press in place with a piece of stiff flexible foam (foam from a brass model box works great). Let dry overnight and over spray with clear lacquer (glosscote or dullcote).

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR

Re: Decal setting solution options

Richard Townsend
 

Well, they didn't suggest using a stapler, so there's that.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

Richard,

I stand corrected and educated but.....................WOW!!!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 10:12:05 PM CDT, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:


Here is what Tichy says:

Due to the problems some of you are having with adhesion of logos and other large decal areas, we have changed our recommended application procedure. Float the decal off the backing paper and blot dry with a paper towel. Use a Q-Tip to apply a thin coat of Elmer's clear glue to the back side. Position the decal with tweezers and press in place with a piece of stiff flexible foam (foam from a brass model box works great). Let dry overnight and over spray with clear lacquer (glosscote or dullcote).

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

Bill,

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 7:29:45 PM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Roger Huber
 

Richard,

I stand corrected and educated but.....................WOW!!!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 10:12:05 PM CDT, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


Here is what Tichy says:

Due to the problems some of you are having with adhesion of logos and other large decal areas, we have changed our recommended application procedure. Float the decal off the backing paper and blot dry with a paper towel. Use a Q-Tip to apply a thin coat of Elmer's clear glue to the back side. Position the decal with tweezers and press in place with a piece of stiff flexible foam (foam from a brass model box works great). Let dry overnight and over spray with clear lacquer (glosscote or dullcote).

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

Bill,

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 7:29:45 PM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Richard Townsend
 

Here is what Tichy says:

Due to the problems some of you are having with adhesion of logos and other large decal areas, we have changed our recommended application procedure. Float the decal off the backing paper and blot dry with a paper towel. Use a Q-Tip to apply a thin coat of Elmer's clear glue to the back side. Position the decal with tweezers and press in place with a piece of stiff flexible foam (foam from a brass model box works great). Let dry overnight and over spray with clear lacquer (glosscote or dullcote).

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

Bill,

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 7:29:45 PM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Elmar’s will definitely help getting the decals to stick (another problem with these new laser printed decals) but I’m not certain if they will help with the “settling down.”

But if you have the decals and the model, try it and let us know.

I’ve also read rather recently someone used the Testor’s setting solution with better results than Solvaset. Testor’s also has a decal bonding spray that may help.

These laser printed decals that use a white base coat and their high resolution can be really nice if a way can be found top apply them so they stick and settle down around rivets and other details. Maybe it’s time to try some newer products for these newer printing methods.

Back “in the day” many modelers considered Solvaset to be too powerful to the point where it could damage decals. But now there are decals that cannot be touched by the older products  we need to see what the airplane and vehicle modelers are doing.

Also, someone again stated that their decals are better than Alps printed decals because of, well because they are Alps printed. And yet many modelers bemoan the fact that some of the Alps decals are no longer on  the market.

An Alps printed decal can be just as good, or better, than anything else, with in certain limitations, if done correctly. They can and often are more opaque than Microscale, they can be print in short runs, even down to a single set for much less than any other method, and work well with common setting solutions.

Yes, there were guys using Alps for decals that never learned just how versatile their printers were or how to get the best out of them. All I’m saying here is do not over look a decal set just because it was printed on an Alps.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

I saw it in a May 24 email from them announcing new decals. They suggested Elmer's clear glue for larger decals.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Tim O'Connor
 


Roger - RUN, RUN AWAY, as fast as you can!

Such a shame. What a waste of Jerry Glow's artwork.



Bill,

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works




IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Jon Miller
 

On 5/30/2018 6:49 PM, Roger Huber via Groups.Io wrote:

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

    My mind envisions a big mess!=-O

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Decal setting solution options

Roger Huber
 

Bill,

HOW would Elmers white glue work on decals?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 7:29:45 PM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

rwitt_2000
 

Bob,

I have a compiled list of assignments for all the N-34 offered by Spring Mill Depot.

For 1952, 36 of the N-34 offered by SMD were in "pool service" out of Brunswick, Maryland. So it is possible some shipper served by the B&O could have shipped a commodity to Southern California using one of these N-34 in pool service.

They are a neat looking freight car.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: Decal setting solution options

Richard Townsend
 

I saw it in a May 24 email from them announcing new decals. They suggested Elmer's clear glue for larger decals.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2018 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Bill Welch
 

IIRC Tichy was suggesting using Elmer's or equivalent white glue with their larger decals. I just looked on their website and cannot find this advisory.

Bill Welch

Re: Decal setting solution options

Nelson Moyer
 

That may be the solution (no pun intended) to the Micro Sol problem softening Tru Color. Instead of multiple Micro Sol applications, use one or two Solveset applications.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

Peter I just applied some old private name decals with MicroSol on the steel side of a box car.  The decals were not setting as well as I wanted over rivets.  After several applications of the MicroSol I used Water’s Soleset and the decals settled down fine.
Lester Breuer

Re: Decal setting solution options

Pdsteam <pdsteam@...>
 

Armand 
There was a thread several months ago that talked about those decals and having very thick inking and would not “melt” with any solvents we typically use to settle decals.
I have several sets of their SP gondola decals but have not been able to get to those models yet.
Try doing a search for Tichy decals to see exactly what was said.

Pete C


On May 30, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:

Has anyone tried the Tichy decals? I am having difficulty with them using Walthers' solvent with them..Armand Premo

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> wrote:
Thanks to all for this advice - I bought and applied Solvaset today and it is working.

Thanks
Pete

On May 30, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Peter I just applied some old private name decals with MicroSol on the steel side of a box car.  The decals were not setting as well as I wanted over rivets.  After several applications of the MicroSol I used Water’s Soleset and the decals settled down fine.
Lester Breuer


Re: Decal setting solution options

Armand Premo
 

Has anyone tried the Tichy decals? I am having difficulty with them using Walthers' solvent with them..Armand Premo

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Peter Hall <petehall6369@...> wrote:
Thanks to all for this advice - I bought and applied Solvaset today and it is working.

Thanks
Pete

On May 30, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Peter I just applied some old private name decals with MicroSol on the steel side of a box car.  The decals were not setting as well as I wanted over rivets.  After several applications of the MicroSol I used Water’s Soleset and the decals settled down fine.
Lester Breuer


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

Bob. While I can’t answer the traveling question I wanted to point out these cars are sold out. So good luck finding one. There is a seller on eBay that lists them for $225.

Brian J. Carlson 

On May 30, 2018, at 6:47 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

The June 2017 issue of Model Railroader has a product review (Page 66) of Spring Mills Depot's HO scale B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers. The review states that these cars carried cement, soda ash, clay and (later) glass sand.

The review also concedes that these cars operated mainly in the Midwest. However, the review also suggests these cars could have traveled across the country.

I know this group has pretty well established that similar covered hoppers almost always stayed on or close to their home tracks. So in this instance, would their have been any commodity originated in the B&O's territory that would have traveled well outside that territory?
I wouldn't mind owning one of these cars but, as I model Southern California, I'd rather not strain reality by having such a car zipping along past my palm trees and orange groves.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Bob Chaparro
 

The June 2017 issue of Model Railroader has a product review (Page 66) of Spring Mills Depot's HO scale B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers. The review states that these cars carried cement, soda ash, clay and (later) glass sand.

The review also concedes that these cars operated mainly in the Midwest. However, the review also suggests these cars could have traveled across the country.

I know this group has pretty well established that similar covered hoppers almost always stayed on or close to their home tracks. So in this instance, would their have been any commodity originated in the B&O's territory that would have traveled well outside that territory?
I wouldn't mind owning one of these cars but, as I model Southern California, I'd rather not strain reality by having such a car zipping along past my palm trees and orange groves.
Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Decal setting solution options

Peter Hall
 

Thanks to all for this advice - I bought and applied Solvaset today and it is working.

Thanks
Pete

On May 30, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

Peter I just applied some old private name decals with MicroSol on the steel side of a box car.  The decals were not setting as well as I wanted over rivets.  After several applications of the MicroSol I used Water’s Soleset and the decals settled down fine.
Lester Breuer

Re: Decal setting solution options

Lester Breuer
 

Peter I just applied some old private name decals with MicroSol on the steel side of a box car.  The decals were not setting as well as I wanted over rivets.  After several applications of the MicroSol I used Water’s Soleset and the decals settled down fine.
Lester Breuer