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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
Richard, You are correct. The junction was Whittier not Anchorage. When we got short-hauled on this business via Cincinnati in the Haliburton cars they used CN Aqua Train via Prince Rupert, BC.
Bill McCoyÂ
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
This traffic all moved prepaid but establishing a joint line commodity rate to cover this would have been no problem and the origin carried would have done all the work. This apparently came through the shipper and I can't remember who it was but they no doubt asked the CNJ ( I think they took over a lot of the L&NE cement territory). All we did was collect a division fro Richmond but the Trunk Lline territory vis the SFTB (Southern Freight Association) would have asked the SCL for concurrence and we would have jumped all over it. The Maule facility this traffic moved to was closed to reciprocal switching on SCL so the Southern and FEC wouldn't have had a dog in the fight. These rates could have been published in a couple of weeks.Â
When de-regulation came in 1980 sadly most of the rate tariffs, and other materials went to the recyclers post haste. As often the case a lot of background was lost. Bill McCoy
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Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
Tony Thompson
Many railroad employees report paying no attention to such stenciled directives. Tony ThompsonÂ
On May 31, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:
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Re: CB&T Shops ladders
Matt Smith
Clark, well that’s some news. Mine came in a C&BT box with no paper work. Well that’s good because there should be plenty of parts around. Cutting the ends off was easy and the resin ends fit flawlessly! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
Matt Smith
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
They were routed via SCL- Atlanta -.L&N-Chicago - BN - Seattle - Alaska Hydro-train - Anchorage-ARR. Even the ACL's "whopper Hopper" (by then SCL 500000) made one trip.Â
We eventually were short-hauled via L&N - Cincinnati - DT&I - CN- Prince Rupert, BC when Halliburton got their own cars and put together a deal with the CN via Detroit. The movement petered out shortly after that. I think Overland offered a model of the Haliburton car that were used. Bill McCoy
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Re: COVERED HOPPER ROUTING
gary laakso
Bill is correct! Â The DVD on the B&O Lake Line includes a view of a Great Northern iron ore car moving on the line in an ore train.
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Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
On May 31, 2018, at 4:20 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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COVERED HOPPER ROUTING
WILLIAM PARDIE
As mich as we all try to be prototypically accurate sometimes we just see a car we have to have. I have an early Erie covered hopper (as done by Gene Diemling in an old MR artical) that I just love. I was also relieved recently to find a photo of a New Haven red white and blue car with an SP switcher in San Francisco. We should all keep looking. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Â
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GTW Should Be CGW
WILLIAM PARDIE
Sorry for the error. I'm sitting in a coffee shop in Hawaii. Not a train in sight. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models
gtws00
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Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
Aley, Jeff A
I went and looked at the Freight Conductor's Train book data that I have.
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For the Lone Star Cement plant in Sunflower (Bonner Springs), KS the overwhelming majority of the LO's were UP. However, there was one car from the Pennsy (PRR 100246) and one car from the B&O (B&O 65653). Is the latter an N-34? There were also a couple of ATSF cars. Regards, -Jeff
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of ottokroutil via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers There are photos of CB&Q covered hoppers in Cajon Pass in the late steam era (and also specifically at the Oro Grande cement plant switch lead) that I've always wondered about. If cement hoppers don't travel far, what are they doing there? Did they deliver some valuable or unique commodity to SoCal only to be appropriated for local cement service? Needless to say, I've acquired a couple for my SoCal layout... Interesting topic. Regards, Otto Kroutil
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GTW NAPERVILLE KIT
WILLIAM PARDIE
I thought that I had sent this out earlier but I don't see it. The Naperville GTW "Gift" was a Centrilla kit issued by Des Plains Hobbies. I thought the car body was from Branchline but will defer to Clark's expertise.  Best to search for relacement parts from thrse two companies or call Des Plains. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
There are photos of CB&Q covered hoppers in Cajon Pass in the late steam era (and also specifically at the Oro Grande cement plant switch lead) that I've always wondered about. If cement hoppers don't travel far, what are they doing there? Did they deliver some valuable or unique commodity to SoCal only to be appropriated for local cement service?
Needless to say, I've acquired a couple for my SoCal layout... Interesting topic. Regards, Otto Kroutil
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
There were only 200 of the B&O N-34 class covered hoppers built in 1940, with Duryea cushion underframes.Â
Numbers 630300-630399 were built at the company shops in Keyser WV, with numbers 630400-630499 built at the company shops in DuBois PA. This was a small class of cars, many of which were assigned to the cement and glass making industries on the B&O system. Several were also in service to Haliburton and similar outfits, hauling processed clay used in oil well drilling. This sent some B&O N-34 cars out to Louisiana and Texas. Being such a small class, they tended not to roam very far from the B&O. Finding contemporary photos of them in service is not easy possibly because of photo restrictions during the war years. As time went on and their Duryea cushion under-frames becoming barred from interchange service, they were retired and scrapped. Classes N-36 (150 cars) from Greenville in 1941 and ACF (350 cars) in 1946 as well as class N-40 from Greenville (500 cars) in 1948, more than over shadowed the clutch of unique N-34 class cars on the B&O. All classes shown here are listed in B&O diagrams as 'cement' cars. Ed Bommer  aÂ
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Re: MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models
Bill Welch
The Howe Truss cars were owned by RR's large and small with enough variety of roofs and end to make them endlessly interesting to me. Nice modeling Lester.
Bill Welch
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Central & Indian Refinery Cos. Tank Cars
Central and Indian Refinery Operations - Baltimore & Ohio Railroad - 1910 Era - Lawrenceville, Illinois. https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/34969508003/in/album-72157689496617540/ The lengthy caption is copyrighted. And more: https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/29665349985/in/album-72157689496617540/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/17536230291/in/album-72157689496617540/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: CB&T Shops ladders
Clark Propst
I think there's confusion here. The Chicagoland mini-kit is a Red Caboose model...Not C&BT.
I substituted an Intermountain kit so I didn't have to cut off the ends, just glue on the resin ends provided.. Clark Propst
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MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models
Lester Breuer
If you visited my blog and read the writeup of MILW SS Box Car 713406,  I said you could find writeup and photos of Sunshine Models resin kit MILW SS Box Car 711470.  It was not to be found; however, it is now.  My original writeup and photos of MILW 711470 build were on the Resin Car Works blog in 2017 rather then on my blog.   I now also  have MILWAUKEE SS Box Car, 711470, a Sunshine Models Resin kit  photos and writeup including changes from kit,  paint, etc. on my blog  I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.  If you would like to take a look please do at the following:  http://mnrailroadcab100. Lester Breuer
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
So, Bill, let me get this straight. If specialty cements and economic circumstances
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in the massively changed economic and regulatory environment of the 1970's involved long distance shipments, then it must a priori have happened just as often in the steam era? Tim O'Connor
While I was a Sales Rep for SCL in the early 70’s in Miami there was a severe Portland cement shortage. We handled 5 and 6 cars of cement from NE PA every week for Maule Industries in Miami. Most had LNE and CNJ markings. In the late 70’s when I was assigned to the SCL Norfolk, VA sales office I had a regular movement of Calcium Aluminate cement to the Alyeska pipeline project that moved in SAL, ACL, and SCL 2929 cu ft hoppers to Fairbanks, AK. It lasted a couple of years. Also in Miami we had regular visits of ATSF OT hoppers with decorative red stone for landscaping companies.
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
Richard Townsend
Seattle to Whittier, AK. Maybe some went via Prince Rupert, but I am not sure.
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Lincoln City, OR
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From: Brad Andonian via Groups.Io <cereshill@...> To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2018 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers So I have to ask whether those Alyeska bound cars were carfloated up via Seattle....   Anyone have an opinion on this?
Thanks,
Brad Andonian
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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers
Brad Andonian
So I have to ask whether those Alyeska bound cars were carfloated up via Seattle....   Anyone have an opinion on this? Thanks, Brad Andonian
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