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Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Bill McCoy
 

Richard, You are correct. The junction was Whittier not Anchorage. When we got short-hauled on this business via Cincinnati in the Haliburton cars they used CN Aqua Train via Prince Rupert, BC.

Bill McCoy 


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Bill McCoy
 

This traffic all moved prepaid but establishing a joint line commodity rate to cover this would have been no problem and the origin carried would have done all the work. This apparently came through the shipper and I can't remember who it was but they no doubt asked the CNJ ( I think they took over a lot of the L&NE cement territory).  All we did was collect a division fro Richmond but the Trunk  Lline territory vis the SFTB (Southern Freight Association) would have asked the SCL for concurrence and we would have jumped all over it. The Maule facility this traffic moved to was closed to reciprocal switching on SCL so the Southern and FEC wouldn't have had a dog in the fight. These rates could have been published in a couple of weeks. 
When de-regulation came in 1980 sadly most of the rate tariffs, and other materials went to the recyclers post haste. As often the case a lot of background was lost.

Bill McCoy


Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Tony Thompson
 

Many railroad employees report paying no attention to such stenciled directives.
Tony Thompson 


On May 31, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:

Many freight cars are stenciled to be returned to when empty. Here's a Santa Fe 2 bay covered hopper stenciled to be returned to Oceanside when empty.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


<ATSF 182071 - SILICA SAND RETURN TO O'SIDE WHEN EMPTY.jpg a-001.jpg a-001.jpg>


Re: CB&T Shops ladders

Matt Smith
 

Clark, well that’s some news. Mine came in a C&BT box with no paper work. Well that’s good because there should be plenty of parts around. Cutting the ends off was easy and the resin ends fit flawlessly! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

Matt Smith


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Bill McCoy
 

They were routed via SCL- Atlanta -.L&N-Chicago - BN - Seattle - Alaska Hydro-train - Anchorage-ARR. Even the ACL's "whopper Hopper" (by then SCL 500000) made one trip. 

We eventually were short-hauled  via L&N - Cincinnati - DT&I - CN- Prince Rupert, BC when Halliburton  got their own cars and put together a deal with the CN via Detroit. The movement petered out shortly after that. I think Overland offered a model of the Haliburton car that were used. 

Bill McCoy


Re: COVERED HOPPER ROUTING

gary laakso
 

Bill is correct!  The DVD on the B&O Lake Line includes a view of a Great Northern iron ore car moving on the line in an ore train.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On May 31, 2018, at 4:20 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


As mich as we all try to be prototypically accurate sometimes we just see a car we have to have.  I have an early Erie covered hopper (as done by Gene Diemling in an old MR artical) that I just love.

I was also relieved recently to find a photo of a New Haven red white and blue car with an SP switcher in San Francisco.  We should all keep looking.

Bill Pardie


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COVERED HOPPER ROUTING

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


As mich as we all try to be prototypically accurate sometimes we just see a car we have to have.  I have an early Erie covered hopper (as done by Gene Diemling in an old MR artical) that I just love.

I was also relieved recently to find a photo of a New Haven red white and blue car with an SP switcher in San Francisco.  We should all keep looking.

Bill Pardie


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GTW Should Be CGW

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Sorry for the error.  I'm sitting in a coffee shop in Hawaii.  Not a train in sight.

Bill Pardie


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Re: MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models

gtws00
 

Another great looking model . 
George Toman


Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Aley, Jeff A
 

I went and looked at the Freight Conductor's Train book data that I have.

For the Lone Star Cement plant in Sunflower (Bonner Springs), KS the overwhelming majority of the LO's were UP. However, there was one car from the Pennsy (PRR 100246) and one car from the B&O (B&O 65653). Is the latter an N-34?

There were also a couple of ATSF cars.

Regards,

-Jeff

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There are photos of CB&Q covered hoppers in Cajon Pass in the late steam era (and also specifically at the Oro Grande cement plant switch lead) that I've always wondered about. If cement hoppers don't travel far, what are they doing there? Did they deliver some valuable or unique commodity to SoCal only to be appropriated for local cement service?
Needless to say, I've acquired a couple for my SoCal layout...
Interesting topic.
Regards,
Otto Kroutil


GTW NAPERVILLE KIT

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I thought that I had sent this out earlier but I don't see it.  The Naperville GTW "Gift" was a Centrilla kit issued by Des Plains Hobbies.  I thought the car body was from Branchline but will defer to Clark's expertise.  

Best to search for relacement parts from thrse two companies or call Des Plains.

Bill Pardie











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Re: Covered hopper traffic patterns was Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

ottokroutil
 

There are photos of CB&Q covered hoppers in Cajon Pass in the late steam era (and also specifically at the Oro Grande cement plant switch lead) that I've always wondered about. If cement hoppers don't travel far, what are they doing there? Did they deliver some valuable or unique commodity to SoCal only to be appropriated for local cement service?
Needless to say, I've acquired a couple for my SoCal layout...
Interesting topic.
Regards,
Otto Kroutil


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Edward
 

There were only 200 of the B&O N-34 class covered hoppers built in 1940, with Duryea cushion underframes. 
Numbers 630300-630399 were built at the company shops in Keyser WV, with numbers 630400-630499 built at the company shops in DuBois PA.
This was a small class of cars, many of which were assigned to the cement and glass making industries on the B&O system.
Several were also in service to Haliburton and similar outfits, hauling processed clay used in oil well drilling.
This sent some B&O N-34 cars out to Louisiana and Texas.
Being such a small class, they tended not to roam very far from the B&O.
Finding contemporary photos of them in service is not easy possibly because of photo restrictions during the war years.
As time went on and their Duryea cushion under-frames becoming barred from interchange service, they were retired and scrapped.
Classes N-36 (150 cars) from Greenville in 1941 and ACF (350 cars) in 1946 as well as class N-40 from Greenville (500 cars) in 1948,
more than over shadowed the clutch of unique N-34 class cars on the B&O.
All classes shown here are listed in B&O diagrams as 'cement' cars.
Ed Bommer


 


Re: MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models

Bill Welch
 

The Howe Truss cars were owned by RR's large and small with enough variety of roofs and end to make them endlessly interesting to me. Nice modeling Lester.

Bill Welch


Central & Indian Refinery Cos. Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Central and Indian Refinery Operations - Baltimore & Ohio Railroad - 1910 Era - Lawrenceville, Illinois.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/34969508003/in/album-72157689496617540/

The lengthy caption is copyrighted.

And more:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/29665349985/in/album-72157689496617540/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/82856031@N04/17536230291/in/album-72157689496617540/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: CB&T Shops ladders

Clark Propst
 

I think there's confusion here. The Chicagoland mini-kit is a Red Caboose model...Not C&BT.

I substituted an Intermountain kit so I didn't have to cut off the ends, just glue on the resin ends provided..
Clark Propst


MILW SS Box Car 711470 by Sunshine Models

Lester Breuer
 

If you visited my blog and read the writeup of MILW SS Box Car 713406,  I said you could find writeup and photos of Sunshine Models resin kit MILW SS Box Car 711470.  It was not to be found; however, it is now.  My original writeup and photos of MILW 711470 build were on the Resin Car Works blog in 2017 rather then on my blog.    I now also  have MILWAUKEE SS Box Car, 711470, a Sunshine Models Resin kit  photos and writeup including changes from kit,  paint, etc. on my blog  I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

So, Bill, let me get this straight. If specialty cements and economic circumstances
in the massively changed economic and regulatory environment of the 1970's involved
long distance shipments, then it must a priori have happened just as often in the
steam era?

Tim O'Connor

While I was a Sales Rep for SCL in the early 70s in Miami there was a severe Portland cement shortage. We handled 5 and 6 cars of cement from NE PA every week for Maule Industries in Miami. Most had LNE and CNJ markings. In the late 70s when I was assigned to the SCL Norfolk, VA sales office I had a regular movement of Calcium Aluminate cement to the Alyeska pipeline project that moved in SAL, ACL, and SCL 2929 cu ft hoppers to Fairbanks, AK. It lasted a couple of years. Also in Miami we had regular visits of ATSF OT hoppers with decorative red stone for landscaping companies.

Bottom line is that my experience was that if it had no clearance problem any car could show up anywhere on occasion. Enjoy your N-34 in the golden state.

Bill McCoy


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Richard Townsend
 

Seattle to Whittier, AK. Maybe some went via Prince Rupert, but I am not sure.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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So I have to ask whether those Alyeska bound cars were carfloated up via Seattle....    Anyone have an opinion on this?

Thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Brad Andonian
 

So I have to ask whether those Alyeska bound cars were carfloated up via Seattle....    Anyone have an opinion on this?

Thanks,
Brad Andonian

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