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Re: Decal setting solution options

Charles Peck
 

Ben, I have on many occasions removed the decal film from the paper backing.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Chuck Peck asked:
"...which side of the decal did you sand? The print side or the film side?"

Tough to sand the film side without going through the paper...


Ben Hom





Re: Decal setting solution options

Benjamin Hom
 

Chuck Peck asked:
"...which side of the decal did you sand? The print side or the film side?"

Tough to sand the film side without going through the paper...


Ben Hom


Re: Decal setting solution options

Charles Peck
 

Bruce, which side of the decal did you sand? The print side or the film side?
What grit?
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Well, yeah, there is that technique! Of course, it probably also makes
them less opaque... which can be an advantage - pre-weathered lettering!

Sanding is what I will try with the Tichy sets I bought before I learned
how bad they are... urf.


Tim,

I have made some Champ decals thinner by sanding them ;)

Regards

Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options
 
Pete

I corresponded with Rich Meyer (Champ) many years ago and one subject was the
difference between letter press printing and silkscreen. He acknowledged that his
method of printing made it impossible to obtain extremely thin decals. But no
amount of soaking or cleaning will make them any thinner.

On the other hand I think your observation is valid. I always let them soak longer
than usual, and I'll try brushing the backside as you describe. In general they are
good decals, and sometimes they're very accurate too! ;-)

Tim O'


Here's an observation:  I remembered advice from years ago that Champ decals needed to soak in water without their backing sheet for some time to soak off the adhesive before application.  Further, I remembered turning the decals over in the water and gently scrubbing the back surface with a soft brush to remove any traces of adhesive.

I did this with the decals for the other side of the car and the decals settled down nicely with just Microset.  Perhaps there is an explanation for this.

Thanks
Pete



Re: PRECISION SCALE

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

I would imagine there will be some transition/learning time for the new owners.  I just received my last PSC parts order from PSC this past week.  It was well over $2000.00 in parts in a small box.

Ted


At 01:28 PM 6/2/2018, you wrote:
PF & S Railway Supply Inc
560 Ione Rd
Pasco,  WA  99301-8726  |  view map
(509) 266-4384
 
PF&S Railway Supply, Inc.
Pasco, WA  99301-8726
(509) 266-4384
 
 
Best regards,
 
Steve

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Re: PRECISION SCALE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I called the this morning myself and got the same impression as Bill.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Date: 6/2/18 9:15 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRECISION SCALE

In the process of ordering ten packages of Retainer Valves and other detail parts I accidentally called the folks in Pasco and we chatted for a bit. They seem serious about the business.

My parts order to PSC came about ten days ago, more than enough tog et thru the transition.

Bill Welch


Re: Decal setting solution options

Tim O'Connor
 


Well, yeah, there is that technique! Of course, it probably also makes
them less opaque... which can be an advantage - pre-weathered lettering!

Sanding is what I will try with the Tichy sets I bought before I learned
how bad they are... urf.


Tim,

I have made some Champ decals thinner by sanding them ;)

Regards

Bruce Smith


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options
 
Pete

I corresponded with Rich Meyer (Champ) many years ago and one subject was the
difference between letter press printing and silkscreen. He acknowledged that his
method of printing made it impossible to obtain extremely thin decals. But no
amount of soaking or cleaning will make them any thinner.

On the other hand I think your observation is valid. I always let them soak longer
than usual, and I'll try brushing the backside as you describe. In general they are
good decals, and sometimes they're very accurate too! ;-)

Tim O'


Here's an observation:  I remembered advice from years ago that Champ decals needed to soak in water without their backing sheet for some time to soak off the adhesive before application.  Further, I remembered turning the decals over in the water and gently scrubbing the back surface with a soft brush to remove any traces of adhesive.

I did this with the decals for the other side of the car and the decals settled down nicely with just Microset.  Perhaps there is an explanation for this.

Thanks
Pete


Re: PRECISION SCALE

Bill Welch
 

In the process of ordering ten packages of Retainer Valves and other detail parts I accidentally called the folks in Pasco and we chatted for a bit. They seem serious about the business.

My parts order to PSC came about ten days ago, more than enough tog et thru the transition.

Bill Welch


Re: Imbedded Photos Stacking Up

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 31, 2018, at 1:37 PM, David Payne via Groups.Io wrote:

[Puhtaytoe puhtahtoe, tuhmaytoe tuhmahto]

I blame it on the programmers who put the "new" comments at the top rather, than as I recall from years ago, the bottom of a reply.
The old top posting-bottom-posting argument predates the World Wide Web and the public internet[0]. It had little to do with coder preferences, more to to with netiquette. Regardless of the default location of the text cursor in a followup or reply, there was a customary action requested, and sometimes required of users, to edit and to position the text cursor appropriately in replies.

I think most responders don't THINK
and that's it, in a proverbial nutshell. Netiquette strongly insists on *thoughtful* follow-ups.

[0] the glory days of Usenet, even before the Great Renaming
--
Nolan Hinshaw, formerly mandible@netcom.com and AFU Game Warden


Re: PRECISION SCALE

Steve Haas
 

PF & S Railway Supply Inc

560 Ione Rd

Pasco,  WA  99301-8726  |  view map

(509) 266-4384

 

PF&S Railway Supply, Inc.

Pasco, WA  99301-8726

(509) 266-4384

 

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:28 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRECISION SCALE

 

 

I underdtamd that with the sale of Precision Scale that the import side went to one party and the castings went to a hobby shop in Washington.  Does anyone know the name of this shop?

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

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PRECISION SCALE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


I underdtamd that with the sale of Precision Scale that the import side went to one party and the castings went to a hobby shop in Washington.  Does anyone know the name of this shop?

Bill Pardie


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Re: Decal setting solution options

Bruce Smith
 

​Tim,


I have made some Champ decals thinner by sanding them ;) 


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options
 
Pete

I corresponded with Rich Meyer (Champ) many years ago and one subject was the
difference between letter press printing and silkscreen. He acknowledged that his
method of printing made it impossible to obtain extremely thin decals. But no
amount of soaking or cleaning will make them any thinner.

On the other hand I think your observation is valid. I always let them soak longer
than usual, and I'll try brushing the backside as you describe. In general they are
good decals, and sometimes they're very accurate too! ;-)

Tim O'


Here's an observation:  I remembered advice from years ago that Champ decals needed to soak in water without their backing sheet for some time to soak off the adhesive before application.  Further, I remembered turning the decals over in the water and gently scrubbing the back surface with a soft brush to remove any traces of adhesive.

I did this with the decals for the other side of the car and the decals settled down nicely with just Microset.  Perhaps there is an explanation for this.

Thanks
Pete


Re: Decal setting solution options

Tim O'Connor
 

Pete

I corresponded with Rich Meyer (Champ) many years ago and one subject was the
difference between letter press printing and silkscreen. He acknowledged that his
method of printing made it impossible to obtain extremely thin decals. But no
amount of soaking or cleaning will make them any thinner.

On the other hand I think your observation is valid. I always let them soak longer
than usual, and I'll try brushing the backside as you describe. In general they are
good decals, and sometimes they're very accurate too! ;-)

Tim O'


Here's an observation:  I remembered advice from years ago that Champ decals needed to soak in water without their backing sheet for some time to soak off the adhesive before application.  Further, I remembered turning the decals over in the water and gently scrubbing the back surface with a soft brush to remove any traces of adhesive.

I did this with the decals for the other side of the car and the decals settled down nicely with just Microset.  Perhaps there is an explanation for this.

Thanks
Pete


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


Michigan was (and is) a source for silica sand and foundry sand and it could
have delivered a load to Duluth/Superior... or maybe even to the Algoma Central
via Sault Ste Marie? Or maybe it was just carrying cement - another commodity
produced in Michigan.




No speculation here ... a specific reference:  At the Chicagoland RPM last fall I bought a nice color print whose main subject was a Duluth South Shore & Atlantic RS-1 taken in the late 1950's at St. Ignace Michigan (where the Chief Wawatam car ferry connection was located).  But ... also in this photo is one of the B&O N-34 covered hoppers.  No clue as to what commodity would have brought it here but no missing that distinctive car.  And also in the photo ... one of the Warren Petroleum Co. propane tank cars!

Craig Wilson


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


That makes sense - catalysts are very valuable and can travel very long distances.
Some are manufactured and there are also natural catalysts (e.g. zeolites).


There is a photo of a B&O N-34 covered hopper being unloaded at a refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas in the early 1940's.  The car was delivering silica - alumina catalyst to a fluid catalytic cracking unit at a refinery.  The photo is in an issue of Oil & Gas Journal from about 1943 or so.
A.T, Kott


Re: PRR Philadelphia Freight Terminal Photo

Jim Betz
 

Bruce and all,

  Thanks for identifying the location - I had attempted to find it and was looking too
far down river.
                                                                                                     - Jim B.


Re: More on the Philadelphia Pennsy RR yard

Tim O'Connor
 


Jack, clearly, you nailed it. That first photo was Reading's Port Richmond yards
as seen from high on the grain elevator. It's been on my hard drive for 4 years so
I'm guessing someone pointed it out some time ago and we just forgot.

The Walt Whitman bridge is located about a mile south of the Ben Franklin but did
not exist at the time of the photo. Just north of Port Richmond is the PRR "Delair"
bridge to New Jersey, and then another road bridge from Tacony to New Jersey.

Tim O'Connor



Re: More on the Philadelphia Pennsy RR yard

Jack Mullen
 


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Andy Laurent
 

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Andy L.
Iowa


More on the Philadelphia Pennsy RR yard

David Wiggs
 

That building the photo was taken from may have been a grain elevator.  In May 1999 I flew up to Philly for a class in Trevose which is NE of Philly.

Heading north on I-95 before getting to the Walt Whitman bridge, to the right they were tearing down a huge grain elevator.  It may have been this same one.  I was amazed at its appearance due to all the horizontal rebar in the structure.  It almost looked like hair.  Everything around it was covered in cement dust as they must've jack-hammered all the concrete away from the steel.  I wish I'd been able to take photos but there was no way to stop on

95 unless you had a death wish.

 

After doing some research, I at first I didn't believe it was the Reading's Port Richmond elevator, as that one was too close to the water, but my memory must be faulted because I found an article about a photographer named Betsy Manning who took photos of it in the late 1980s.  The article said that the remaining grain facility was demolished by Conrail in 1999 which fits with my recollection.

 

Note this excerpt from another article I found that shows that this was not a Pennsy RR yard but a Reading RR one.

 

"Most of the early growth of the area resulted from development of the Port Richmond freight handling facilities of the Reading; from the time of its early construction until its dismantling in 1976, the Port Richmond yards and docks constituted the largest privately-owned tidewater terminal in the world, covering over 230 acres. At one time, the piers received and discharged cargoes destined to ports around the world as well as to the Atlantic coastal trade. The freight and coal storage yards west to Front Street had a capacity of approximately 5,600 cars (based on 44' car lengths)."

 

Davo in Orlando


Re: Travels Of B&O N-34 Covered Hoppers

proto48er
 

There is a photo of a B&O N-34 covered hopper being unloaded at a refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas in the early 1940's.  The car was delivering silica - alumina catalyst to a fluid catalytic cracking unit at a refinery.  The photo is in an issue of Oil & Gas Journal from about 1943 or so.
A.T, Kott

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