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Re: Decal setting solution options

 

Thanks for all the information.  I know Ron personally - we operated occasionally together before each of us ditched our layouts for business.  Since it’s his business to know the competition, I’ll check with him and report any positive info. – Al W..

 

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From: Curt Fortenberry
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 11:03 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

 

Al,

 

I feel your pain.  Ron did all my decals for the last 20 years and he'll be missed.  Although the last few years he wouldn't layer the logos and split them into separate pieces. 

 

I know Highball Graphics and Circus City decals will do custom work with I believe their own printer so they'll do minor runs.  I've yet to have a need to use them.

 

For a project for another seller, he had Kadee print them.  They came out fine. But it was simple lettering, no difficult logos.

 

Curt Fortenberry

 


Re: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

Fortunately, I have a lifetime supply of the original IMWX and the improved
Red Caboose version of the 1937 box cars. I will -never- use any part of that
Intermountain kit except for the BODY - which is ideal kitbash fodder for a
good number of 10 foot inside height postwar box cars, as well as some oddball
"1937" cars with unusual ends and roofs.

But I wish you luck with this idea! The IMWX/RC roof is certainly the best version
anyone has done in HO scale.

Tim O'Connor


Since Red Caboose has been purchased by Intermountain, the likelihood of these title kits becoming available again are are not very good. Intermountain informed me that their 1937 AAR kit eliminates the chance for their running the RC version. Many of us are pleased with the somewhat better ends and certainly the roof is better on the RC version, not to mention the better bolsters.. The square edged end version is unavailable from any other plastic source.

I am considering having a large special run of the former Red Caboose 1937 AAR kits. Would anyone reading this message be interested in getting any should I bite the bullet and get 500? I would get both square and W-corner end versions. Price is too soon to discuss now, though I am hoping that $16 each could still be supported.

Contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> if you find yourself interested in one or more.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson


RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-
Since Red Caboose has been purchased by Intermountain, the likelihood of these title kits becoming available again are are not very good. Intermountain informed me that their 1937 AAR kit eliminates the chance for their running the RC version. Many of us are pleased with the somewhat better ends and certainly the roof is better on the RC version, not to mention the better bolsters.. The square edged end version is unavailable from any other plastic source.

I am considering having a large special run of the former Red Caboose 1937 AAR kits. Would anyone reading this message be interested in getting any should I bite the bullet and get 500? I would get both square and W-corner end versions. Price is too soon to discuss now, though I am hoping that $16 each could still be supported.

Contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> if you find yourself interested in one or more.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
San Francisco, CA


Re: Photos from this weekend's NERPM meet

Bill Welch
 

Thanks for posting these Dave and please thank Tom Murray. I know how much time doing this takes and then editing them.

Looks like a great weekend, I was very impressed by the topics to be presented.

Bill Welch


Re: PRECISION SCALE

Ken Adams
 

I have ordered PSC parts from PF&S before. It went very smoothly and they were very professional.

Glad to see they are directly taking over the whole business. Sometimes they were the only source for a PSC part.

Ken Adams


Photos from this weekend's NERPM meet

Dave Owens
 

Here are Tom Murray's photos from this weekend's New England Railroad
Prototype Modelers meet in Enfield, Conn.

http://www.pbase.com/tom_murray/2018_ne_prototype_modelers_meet_nerpm&page=all

And here are last year's photos, which he just posted as well.

http://www.pbase.com/tom_murray/2017_ne_prototype_modelers_meet_nerpm&page=all

We had a lot of fun this weekend. If you did not make it, we hope you
can in the future.

Here's a link to our web site, which has next year's dates listed.

www.nerpm.org

Thanks,
Dave Owens
West Hartford, Conn.


Re: Decal setting solution options

Curt Fortenberry
 


Al,

I feel your pain.  Ron did all my decals for the last 20 years and he'll be missed.  Although the last few years he wouldn't layer the logos and split them into separate pieces. 

I know Highball Graphics and Circus City decals will do custom work with I believe their own printer so they'll do minor runs.  I've yet to have a need to use them.

For a project for another seller, he had Kadee print them.  They came out fine. But it was simple lettering, no difficult logos.

Curt Fortenberry


When Close Enough is no longer Good Enough

Bill Welch
 

Over the past two or three years I have become increasingly finicky about the ladders on my models. A couple of factors have influenced this.

The Kadee Effect: Here I mean especially the very fine scale appearance of the ladder rungs and Bracket Grabs. The Bracket Grabs especially appeal to me because they can be used on so many models with the Drill Template available from Yarmouth being especially helpful. Commercial ladders look clunky when the Kadee parts are used.

Non-Standard Ladders: One of the charms of modeling cars built in the first three decades of the 20th Century is their varying height. This can present a challenge however if we want accurate ladders as their ladder rung spacing was determined by the height of these cars. For most of my 20 plus years building resin kits I have coped with this fact by trying to get “close enough” to the correct rung spacing with the use of various commercial styrene ladders and locating the ladder on the car side so that the top and bottom rungs were as close as possible match to the prototype car as revealed in photos. Then I decided that close enough is not good enough.

Here are a couple of links where I explain what I have been doing:

http://blog.resincarworks.com/how-to-determine-rung-spacing-when-scratch-building-ladders/

http://prototopics.blogspot.com/search/label/Bill%20Welch

Recently I made a small refinement to what I have been doing while building two new end ladders for my M-K-T War Emergency type rebuild kit-bash. After gluing in place the 0.010 styrene rod for the rungs and allowing the glue to cure overnight, I used my close cutting Sprue Nippers to cut the rod at a sharp angle along each edge of the stiles, thus creating a flat spot on the rod ends. Next rivet heads were harvested from an Athearn gondola to serve as the attachment bolts. Even though these flat spots are angled, with the bolt heads in place it is difficult if not impossible to tell that they are not resting flat on the ladder stiles. I am very happy with this refinement.

BTW you can keep up with my progress on the M-K-T model here:

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-10/

and

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-12/

More entries to follow.

One more note: If I were starting all over I would probably use 0.010 wire for separate grab irons but with so many models built already with the 0.012 grab variety, I made a conscious decision to continue with the 0.012 type.

Bill Welch


Re: PRECISION SCALE EMAIL..

David North
 

Yes, Herald King is still in business.

 

Under new (a few years ago now) owners.

Nice people and easy to deal with.

They have an out of stock listing on their website.

Cheers

Dave North

Herald King Dealer


Re: Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

Bill Welch
 

You know Tony, I actually know that it was not the correct term but sometimes I have a brain freeze and cannot remember the exact term—bet I am not the only one—so I went with the next best thing.

Bill Welch


Re: Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

Tony Thompson
 

I got one of my BLI models out for a closer look. Does the Dome pop off so make applying the Tangent parts easier.

Um, it's not a dome, as in "expansion dome" for unpressurized tank cars, but is a valve bonnet. It has no expansion space.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Decal setting solution options

Tim O'Connor
 

  > It's the printing method and his old customers have told me he used screen printing
  > that had a digital method of preparing the screens. Such printing equipment, while
  > available, is not widely used in the printing industry and is not inexpensive.
  > John Hagen

To produce AccuCals and later his MLW decals, George Bishop created artwork and took
very high resolution photographs. Just as with etching metal, "silk screens" are actually
etched using the photo negatives as a mask - and George had someone else actually produce
the screens for him. As you probably know if there is more than one color, there is a
separate screen for each color. George then did the "printing" (using the screens as a
mask to apply paint to decal paper). For a brief time in the 1990's he sent his artwork
to Microscale and they printed some decals for him but he was very disappointed in the
results so he went back to his own printing. George did printing for many Quality Craft
and other craftsman kits too.

Factors that greatly effect the quality of silkscreen decals are the resolution of the
screens and the ability of the "paint/ink" to flow into the voids but NOT to flow out of
the voids! In the past most decal makers had difficulty making anything smaller than 1"
letters but some recent stuff (both pad printed and decals) is just amazing. I have no
idea how they do it.

Tim O'


Re: Swivel Coupler On A Gondola Car

gary laakso
 

It also shows a bent top grab!  Whew, some of my resin cars are more accurate than I had thought.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Swivel Coupler On A Gondola Car

 

This photo also illustrates the information stenciled to indicate the location of One Wear Wrot Steel Wheels.

For this gondola axle 3 has  1W Wrot Steel Wheels both the L and R position. The number one axle starts at the A-End.

Bob Witt


Re: Swivel Coupler On A Gondola Car

rwitt_2000
 

This photo also illustrates the information stenciled to indicate the location of One Wear Wrot Steel Wheels.

For this gondola axle 3 has  1W Wrot Steel Wheels both the L and R position. The number one axle starts at the A-End.

Bob Witt


Re: Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

up4479
 


-- I just tried pulling domes off two factory painted BLI cars and they seem glued on.  However, I used an undecorated car and I'm sure the dome came off without too much trouble.  I chose not to replace the running boards on the model with the etched ones that come with the dome platform.  If you can get the running boards separated from the end frames, you still have a lot of cutting and fitting as the etched parts don't fit this car.   I guessed right about the dome platform being enough of an update as several people figured it out right away.  I don't know when that scheme was first used but since I model the UP between 1940 and 1980, the scheme fit my needs over a good portion of that period so I didn't put much effort into the start date.  They did have a bunch of 6K gallon cars as well as other sizes so the decals can be used on a variety of cars and will fit cars larger or smaller than this model.  I'd also like to add that at the NERPM, there were a number of Tangent Models cars that had been modified or painted in other schemes Tangent has not done.  Those undecorated Tangent cars are not sitting around on people's shelves.  They are completing projects with them.  I think that is a good sign.
Steve Solombrino


Re: Decal setting solution options

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Al, nothing I can find.

Yes Rail Graphics were very fine decals indeed.

It’s not the film, it’s the printing method. Finding good decal paper with the film already on it is easy. Both Microscale and Bare Metal Foil sell, good, ready to print decal paper and both have films that are thin and strong enough to work well. Tango Papa is another good supplier and he will sell you paper with your preference of film on it.

It’s the printing method and his old customers have told me he used screen printing that had a digital method of preparing  the screens. Such printing equipment, while available, is not widely used in the printing industry and is not inexpensive. Way above the point where anyone could afford it just for decal printing.

I am looking for someone who can do it as a side product but that is not easy. In today’s business climate the ideal seems to be having just enough capacity to do 95% of the work you have and hoping you don’t get trapped between a rock and hard place.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of al_westerfield
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2018 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

In my business I used Rail graphics almost exclusively.  I loved the decal thickness, didn’t tear but nestled nicely.  Unfortunately, Ron Roberts retired in December.   Can anyone suggest a custom decal maker whose film is similar? – Al Westerfield

 

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PRECISION SCALE EMAIL..

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

According to their web site the new email is: precisionscaleco@...

Mansell Peter Hambly
COQUITLAM, B.C.



From: "up4479" <up4479@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 5:20:05 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

Yes, Herald King is still in business.  I recently ordered and used fresh sets to letter the tank car.
--
Steve Solombrino


Re: Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

Bill Welch
 

I got one of my BLI models out for a closer look. Does the Dome pop off so make applying the Tangent parts easier.

Also I see that the running board part is separate from the underframe meaning major surgery is not necessary if one wants to try to apply a see-thru metal running board system.

Steve do you know the date when that Ethyl scheme was first used?

Bill Welch


Re: Enfield CT RPM Report—was Tangent there?

up4479
 

Yes, Herald King is still in business.  I recently ordered and used fresh sets to letter the tank car.
--
Steve Solombrino


Re: Decal setting solution options

 

In my business I used Rail graphics almost exclusively.  I loved the decal thickness, didn’t tear but nestled nicely.  Unfortunately, Ron Roberts retired in December.   Can anyone suggest a custom decal maker whose film is similar? – Al Westerfield

 

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From: John Hagen via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 4:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

Decals, all decals, add thickness to lettering. If you added 0.008 to 0.012 in of paint to a 12 in to the foot freight car you wouldn’t really have any problem with getting them to “nestle down” around rivets, etc. Start adding 0.002 to 0.003 in of ink to a 1:87 decal and it will not want to “nestle.” And the opaquier the decal the thicker the ink. The thickness does vary from one decal printing method to another.

But the reality is if you need the most opaque decal, you are going to have difficulties.

The problem arises with finding an economical method of printing short runs. And really, in today’s printing world, any model decal is a short run. Microscale is probably the best generally available decal printing concern around but you must buy 200 sheets of whatever you want. The new laser or whatever printers used by Tichy and others are very thick. Alps decals, if poorly done, can also be overly thick.

Finding a screen printer that uses modern (ie. Costly equipment) is difficult if possible at all.

I still use Alps for my printing but I’d like to find someone else to do it. I enjoy doing artwork but printing with antique equipment (i.e. Alps) is a real PIA!. I have a new possibility but won’t be able to confirm if the quality meets my customers standards for a bit as of now.

The Jerry Glow decals were very well printed and not thick. He used a commercial printer who did his work as kind of a side product. The fact that his decals were somewhat stiff is a fact of life.

Tichy and other decals are really nicely done with much higher resolution than any of the older methods. Alps, for instance, has a maximum resolution of 600 dpi. Yup, they advertised resolutions of up to 2400 but that was only doable when using their Dye Sub mode for photographs, which is not usable for decal printing. And, it’s not as good even for photographs as the average $100.00 inkjet available today. 600 dpi when Alps were new, late 90’s or twenty years ago, was decent compared to the then common screen printed decals.  But they are thick, resistant to must setting solutions, and even if the newer solutions can make them settle, the ink is still thick. If the ink is as thick as the rivets……..

For those who can sand the backs of the images without destroying them, use them. No matter what, they will have some decal sets that no one else will offer. As such they will continue to be a definite part of our decal scene for the foreseeable future.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Roth
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal setting solution options

 

Folks, I have tried one other idea with these Tichy decals which helps somewhat.  While the decals are still on the sheet, I lightly sand the lettering with #400 wet or dry sandpaper (dry!).  This reduces the thickness which makes them slightly more pliable.  You can see the results on an Associated Oil tank car over on the PlasticFreightCarBuilders group.  In my opinion, its the lettering itself which will not flex, not the backing material.  This was even somewhat noticeable with Jerry Glow's decals when used over rivets.

Ken Roth

 

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