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Re: ITS A GO: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

Eric Hansmann
 

I don't know the answer to your query but there is a place to look online. Ed Hawkins posted a spreadsheet noting extensive details for these cars. Download a copy so you can check on the modeling opportunities. 

This page has links for a number of additional resources.

http://steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html


Click on the 1937 AAR Box Car link to access a resource page devoted to that car design. That's where you can find two versions of the PDF to download and/or print out. If you model any time between 1940 and 1960, this document will assist your efforts on modeling these cars.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN




On June 8, 2018 at 5:23 PM towazy <Towazy@...> wrote:

This sounds like a good deal and I’d be interested in six. Not being familiar with these cars,which one would be a prototype the Erie would have had,if any? Even close would be OK.thanks fir any advice. 

     Tom 


Re: ITS A GO: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

towazy
 

This sounds like a good deal and I’d be interested in six. Not being familiar with these cars,which one would be a prototype the Erie would have had,if any? Even close would be OK.thanks fir any advice. 

     Tom 


Re: ITS A GO: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

bill woelfel
 

I think it's great that Andy is doing this, ( also sad that we seem to get less &less steam era stuff),  so not being a freight car fanatic, can anyone tell me it these cars are ATSF cars. Couldn't find anything in the boxcar book I have. regards, Bill Woelfel  Homewood , Il.


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

ROGER HINMAN
 

All of the pre WW1 MDT cars do have a bar to support the hatch cover being opened. Good hatch photos are tough to come by,. The photo in my book on p133 at the bottom shows one of the early lots of the pre WW1 cars with a supporting mechanism to keep the hatch open, but that piece appears to have been stored inside the hatch cover when closed. On p137 you can clearly see the more common angled bar with a few holes in it on later lots, with the top photo showing the cover supported open. These are both pre WW1 photos. These pieces were attached with an eyebolt and often lay flat making it hard to see in photos. I'm wondering if the FGE car photo had something under the hatch cover, although just leaving the cover flat on its back with the plug pulled would work.

Roger Hinman


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

In keeping  some other comments, I don't find this arrangement at all unusual.  All of the pre-war (that's WWI) MDT reefers had very minimal hardware on the hatches -- a small hasp to "lock" it, and a lift handle.  The familiar latch bars only appeared on the post-war cars, and I have seen nothing to suggest that the prewar cars were retrofitted.

The early MDT cars did not say VENTILATED initially, but the photos suggest that they all did by the mid-twenties, regardless of hatch configuration.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Dave Parker
 

In keeping  some other comments, I don't find this arrangement at all unusual.  All of the pre-war (that's WWI) MDT reefers had very minimal hardware on the hatches -- a small hasp to "lock" it, and a lift handle.  The familiar latch bars only appeared on the post-war cars, and I have seen nothing to suggest that the prewar cars were retrofitted.

The early MDT cars did not say VENTILATED initially, but the photos suggest that they all did by the mid-twenties, regardless of hatch configuration.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


*for sale - C&BT and Mckean,, Walthers/Bowser etc cars/kits from the 80's/90's

Rob M.
 

Staying in O scale so I'm selling off HO cars and decals and structures. 

For our era I have:

C&BT 40' 1944 AAR 4/4 ends - One undec, one WP and one CB&Q.
McKean PS1 - 40' 8' door undec, 40' 6' door undec, C&S 6'.
McKean PS1 50' - CP 8' single door
Bev-Bel 50' single door - Chessie blue
E&B ACF 4 hatch covered hopper with aftermarket etched running board
Bowser H21 hopper undec
Walthers PRR piggyback flat e car kit 470415/422/425
Walthers 2600 cf single pocketairslide (risking jail by by mentioning contraband) single pocket 1954-58 car but 1965 Pillsbury lettering

Please contact me OFF LIST to discuss.   Rule292 at yahoo dot com

Thanks,

Rob Mondichak


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Bob Chaparro
 

I think you missed the point that there were no visible latching mechanisms so just opening the hatch covers would not have been very efficient.


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:32 am, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I believe the car is the standard PFE yellow orange,
Oops! I meant FGE yellow orange.

Dennis


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 08:54 am, Ted Schnepf wrote:
Wonder what body color FGE used at this time and for how long it was used?  Appears to be a freight car red?
I believe the car is the standard PFE yellow orange, and the dark tone is the result of being photographed on orthochromatic film, which turned reds black and oranges very dark. Note the lettering on the car side is black and barely shows; not what one would expect if the car were painted FCR. I'd say over half the photos I've seen of Soo Line reefers from this period show no lettering what-so-ever, it simply disappears into the same graytone the film rendered the orange sides. Only the white lettering in the herald shows.

Dennis Storzek


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

This Fruit Growers Express car is identified on its flanks as "Combined Ventilator Refrigerator":
But there are no ventilation openings on the sides or ends. The roof view shows no rooftop ventilator and no latch bars for the hatch covers:
So physically how did this car operated in ventilator mode?

     Like any other ice reefer, by opening the hatches. A great many ice reefers were lettered "Ventilator and Refrigerator."

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Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

rwitt_2000
 

Note the time period of this photo.

The re-weigh date is 1919 so this is a Fruit Growers Express reefer when it was a division of Armour prior to the creation of the later FGE  in the 1920s.

Bill Welch can provided much more information.

Bob Witt


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Wonder what body color FGE used at this time and for how long it was used?  Appears to be a freight car red?

Note that one side of the car has some chalk marks,  but the other side is chalk free.  these photos are great to study the art of chalk marks.

ted


At 12:22 AM 6/8/2018, you wrote:

This Fruit Growers Express car is identified on its flanks as "Combined Ventilator Refrigerator":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

But there are no ventilation openings on the sides or ends. The roof view shows no rooftop ventilator and no latch bars for the hatch covers:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1448.jpg

So physically how did this car operated in ventilator mode?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

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Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Dennis Storzek
 

Keep in mind that the ice hatches are closed with two separate pieces; the hatch cover that we see, and the plug, which is a canvas covered rectangle with padded edges to form a good seal. Later iterations had the two attached by links so opening the hatch cover also pulled the plug up, and propping the hatch covers up on latch bars also held the plug open. I suspect in this earlier time the covers were just flopped back on the roof and the plugs propped open. This had the unintended consequence of making the bunkers open to pilferage, one of the advantages claimed by Bohn in literature about their ventilators was that they kept the bunkers secure while the plugs were open.

Dennis Storzek


Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Edward
 

There may have been a folding bracket in the top of the ice well, or under the hatch to support it in an open position.
Ventilation would depend on movement of the car in a train to provide air circulation.

Ed Bommer 


How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

Bob Chaparro
 

This Fruit Growers Express car is identified on its flanks as "Combined Ventilator Refrigerator":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-04-17/X1450.jpg

But there are no ventilation openings on the sides or ends. The roof view shows no rooftop ventilator and no latch bars for the hatch covers:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-03-17/X1448.jpg

So physically how did this car operated in ventilator mode?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: M&StL 24000 series: Final Detailing

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Beautiful workmanship as always Bill.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 7 Jun 2018, at 22:21, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

This week I have been adding final details to my Sunshine M&StL 24000 series Pratt trussed boxcar. Since starting the model I have known I wanted to add some detailing to the left of the door where there is Door Latching hardware. None of the several photos I have gave me sharply lighted view of this hardware so I did the best I can. I think it looks okay but at the same time I cannot say it represents the real thing. In the end what was important to me was to have something there because the photos showed something there. To have the two spots devoid of detail was not acceptable for me.

I built the new Ladders a couple of months ago and it is so rewarding to see them on the model. I intentionally waited to just before painting to minimize the risk of damaging them. I plan to prime in the next couple of days but will have to wait until the Collinsville RPM in July for decals.

Bill Welch
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M&StL 24000 series: Final Detailing

Bill Welch
 

This week I have been adding final details to my Sunshine M&StL 24000 series Pratt trussed boxcar. Since starting the model I have known I wanted to add some detailing to the left of the door where there is Door Latching hardware. None of the several photos I have gave me sharply lighted view of this hardware so I did the best I can. I think it looks okay but at the same time I cannot say it represents the real thing. In the end what was important to me was to have something there because the photos showed something there. To have the two spots devoid of detail was not acceptable for me.

I built the new Ladders a couple of months ago and it is so rewarding to see them on the model. I intentionally waited to just before painting to minimize the risk of damaging them. I plan to prime in the next couple of days but will have to wait until the Collinsville RPM in July for decals.

Bill Welch


Re: LPTX 1241: Poultry Car

Dennis Storzek
 

It only requires repair if the shipper refuses the car. I'm not sure having the roof leak on the chickens would be considered a problem, considering the sides are open to the weather. Similar to the reasoning with stockcars... the cattle get wet any time it rains when they are still on the range, one of the reasons double board roofs were still used on stockcars long after better roofs were the norm for boxcars and reefers. Apparently the same reasoning held with poultry cars.

Dennis Storzek



Re: LPTX 1241: Poultry Car

gary laakso
 

Would the gaps in the wooden roof require repair by the delivering carrier?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:16 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] LPTX 1241: Poultry Car

 

A nearly full side view of a Live Poultry Transit Company car:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1731.jpg

Notice the feed bags in the doorway. The car appears to have a ventilator on the roof.

Few chickens are facing the camera because the photographer said, "Watch the birdie".

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup


LPTX 1241: Poultry Car

Bob Chaparro
 

A nearly full side view of a Live Poultry Transit Company car:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-04-17/X1731.jpg

Notice the feed bags in the doorway. The car appears to have a ventilator on the roof.

Few chickens are facing the camera because the photographer said, "Watch the birdie".

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railway Bull Shippers Group

https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup

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