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Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Don Burn
 

Looking at Ted Culotta's book on the 1932 AAR boxcars it appears that the shield herald was late 1940's. There was a circular herald somewhat earlier, then before that no herald just lettering. I am not sure what herald you have, but the shield definitely is post your time frame.

Don Burn

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Which nifty herald would that be? I can do a little research, but I don't see an illustration to point to the correct direction.

Dick

(Bangor, Maine)


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Looking good RJ.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



On 12 Jun 2018, at 05:46, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net <mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net> > wrote:




One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim





Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit. I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939.
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

I tried 91% Isopropyl Alcohol with a Q-tip to remove lettering on a Bachmann 2-8-0 tender. The black paint on the tender body came off nicely, which I didn’t want, except where the lettering was; I mean is. So now I have an unpainted spot with Dulux gold lettering.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 

I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 

Good luck

 

Jeff Coleman

 

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 
Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

richard glueck
 

Which nifty herald would that be?  I can do a little research, but I don't see an illustration to point to the correct direction.

Dick

(Bangor, Maine) 

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 4:54:01 AM EDT, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Looking good RJ.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 12 Jun 2018, at 05:46, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim



Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit.  I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939. 
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Jeff Coleman
 

I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 
Good luck

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 
Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Nelson Moyer
 

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 
Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Looking good RJ.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 12 Jun 2018, at 05:46, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim



Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit.  I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939. 
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Tim O'Connor
 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'



FWIW, I have a set of the Broadway ARA hoppers for C&O where I wanted to remove the factory lettering. Normal tries of Solvaset and Microsol didnt phase it.  So I tried the Pine-sol soak thats worked on other models.  A 24 hour soak was all it took and the old lettering scrubbed off easily.  Paint was not touched but the paint has some ghosting of the lettering which will not be an issue.  So in this case a success. 

Curt Fortenberry

Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Tim O'Connor
 


One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim



Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit.  I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939. 
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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Broadway hopper lettering removal

Curt Fortenberry
 


FWIW, I have a set of the Broadway ARA hoppers for C&O where I wanted to remove the factory lettering.  Normal tries of Solvaset and Microsol didn’t phase it.  So I tried the Pine-sol soak that’s worked on other models.  A 24 hour soak was all it took and the old lettering scrubbed off easily.  Paint was not touched but the paint has some ghosting of the lettering which will not be an issue.  So in this case a success.  

Curt Fortenberry
Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

radiodial868
 

Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit.  I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939. 
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
Re: ITS A GO: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

Tim Meyer
 

Hi

I would be interest as well. I would take 5 to 10 of them.

Tim Meyer
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Jeff Eggert
 

To keep things unclear, here are some notes I have on lettering drawings. 

 

A drawing from Mar 1943 labeled for CMO 21400-22414 has a revision in 1956 noting ‘Lettering Chicago and North Western and Route of the “400” Removed’.

 

A drawing from Aug 1944 labeled for CNW 81252-81450, 82452-82650, & 83652-84250 is for ‘The Overland Route’ lettering.

 

A drawing from Sept 1944 labeled for CNW 80252-81250 is for ‘Route of the Challengers’ lettering.

 

A drawing from Sept 1944 labeled for CNW 81452-82450 is for ‘Route of the Streamliners’ lettering.  Not a typo on the series.

 

A drawing from Sept 1944 labeled for CNW 82452-82650 is for ‘The Overland Route’ lettering.

 

A drawing from Feb 1947 labeled for CNW 81452-82650 has a revision in 1956 noting ‘Lettering Chicago and North Western and Route of the Streamliners Removed’.

 

A drawing from Jan 1956 labeled for CNW 82652-84250 has a revision in Dec 1956 noting ‘Lettering Chicago and North Western and The Overland Route Removed’.

 

Jeff Eggert

CNWHS Archives
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Rob M.
 
Edited

HI Tim,

I just found my C&NW MOD-1 decal set and it has only the ACF and PS cars builders photos.   The ACF car 73348 was built 5/42 with the Route of the 400 and the PS built 71342 was built 11/41 with the same logo.

According to the sheet it lists the builders and the lot numbers and the roof used... unfortunately no General American car photos.   

And it looks like the photos for the MOD-2 set for "Route of the Challengers" only has the ACF cars also, and they have a build date of 1945.   The MOD-3 set has the "Route of the Streamliners" for the 1953 repaints.  Here is what is listed in the set:
"

Between November 1941 and April 1945, the C&NW took delivery of 3,958 Modied 1937 AAR boxcars. Beginning with series numbers 80252 and through
84250 - a total of 2,000 cars- (even numbers only) the new Murphy Raised Panel roofs were used in place of the Viking roofs. Delivery is as follows:
 
80252-81450 - Pullman-Standard, Lot 5785 - 600 cars - delivered February 1945 (Murphy roof)
81452-82650 - General American Car, Lot 2964 - 600 cars - delivered April, 1945 (Murphy roof)
82652-84250 - American Car & Foundry, Lot 2719 - 800 cars - delivered December 1944 (Murphy roof)
 
Paint & Lettering: During 1941-1942 cars (Viking roof cars) were painted a medium red-brown: TCP-923. Between 1943 (Murphy roof cars) and through 1959,
cars were painted with Dupont CNW #3: TCP-925. Be sure and blend in some TCP-179 grey to replicate normal oxidation after a year or two in the elements.
Cars were delivered with black ends; re-paint ends normally car color. Underbody and truck side frames coated with black car cement.
 
The C&NW used various slogans on dierence series of cars within one Lot number, often, to the disconcernation to those trying to make a rational
understanding of them. Ed Hawkins refers to all this as ‘a subject of considerable complexity”. Further, it would take an enormous library of photographs to
show each group of cars with various, seemingly haphazard, applications of slogans within dierent Lot and Series numbers.

What we have done here is choose a particular Series within Lot 2719, that we have AC&F lettering arrangement drawings for, and designed this decal sheet.
All the necessary photographs for this series are not available to us so we have followed the AC&F drawing and utilize photos here showing the correct decal
placement. Note that the slogan “The Overland Route” is always on the left side of the car; and that all numbers end in an even number.
Paint color would be TCP-923 for cars built in 1941-42; and TCP-925 for cars built in 1943-59. The modeler will just have to chose his individual model carefully, preferably from a prototype photograph. Lettering all white stencil paste. Decal set designed and created at Protocraft Decals
Between November 1941 and April 1945, the C&NW took delivery of 3,958 Modied 1937 AAR boxcars. Beginning with series numbers 80252 and through
84250 - a total of 2,000 cars- (even numbers only) the new Murphy Raised Panel roofs were used in place of the Viking roofs. Delivery is as follows:
 
80252-81450 - Pullman-Standard, Lot 5785 - 600 cars - delivered February 1945 (Murphy roof)
81452-82650 - General American Car, Lot 2964 - 600 cars - delivered April, 1945 (Murphy roof)
82652-84250 - American Car & Foundry, Lot 2719 - 800 cars - delivered December 1944 (Murphy roof)
 
Paint & Lettering: During 1941-1942 cars (Viking roof cars) were painted a medium red-brown: TCP-923. Between 1943 (Murphy roof cars) and through 1959,
cars were painted with Dupont CNW #3: TCP-925. Be sure and blend in some TCP-179 grey to replicate normal oxidation after a year or two in the elements.
Cars were delivered with black ends; re-paint ends normally car color. Underbody and truck side frames coated with black car cement.
 
The C&NW used various slogans on dierence series of cars within one Lot number, often, to the disconcernation to those trying to make a rational
understanding of them. Ed Hawkins refers to all this as ‘a subject of considerable complexity”. Further, it would take an enormous library of photographs to
show each group of cars with various, seemingly haphazard, applications of slogans within dierent Lot and Series numbers.

What we have done here is choose a particular Series within Lot 2719, that we have AC&F lettering arrangement drawings for, and designed this decal sheet.
All the necessary photographs for this series are not available to us so we have followed the AC&F drawing and utilize photos here showing the correct decal
placement. Note that the slogan “The Overland Route” is always on the left side of the car; and that all numbers end in an even number.
Paint color would be TCP-923 for cars built in 1941-42; and TCP-925 for cars built in 1943-59. The modeler will just have to chose his individual model carefully, preferably from a prototype photograph. Lettering all white stencil paste. Decal set designed and created at Protocraft Decals"

 

Rob Mondichak
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Tim Meyer
 

Hi Rob

The Protocraft boxcars are modeled after the ACF cars.

Thanks

Tim Meyer
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Rob M.
 

The CNW and CMO cars were offered in O scale brass by Protocraft and Norm has a few pictures online:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Categoryid=40

I have the decals also but they are buried or I'd pull the sheet and see what pictures

Rob Mondichak
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Don Burn
 

There is a picture of CNW 82484 with the Overland Route slogan in "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" by Kline and Culotta. The caption notes there were multiple slogans on the series.

Don Burn

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Meyer
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 12:33 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Hi

I am looking for information on what slogans were applied to the following boxcars as built.

CMO 21400-22414 Lot GATC 2885

CNW 81452-82650 Lot GATC 2946

Thanks

Tim Meyer
Re: CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

mopacfirst
 

Neither of these series is in the C&NW color guide.

Ron Merrick
CMO and CNW Slogan Boxcars

Tim Meyer
 

Hi

I am looking for information on what slogans were applied to the following boxcars as built.

CMO 21400-22414 Lot GATC 2885

CNW 81452-82650 Lot GATC 2946

Thanks

Tim Meyer
Re: How To Ventilate FGE 25339?

John Barry
 

I agree with Dennis about the orthochromatic film and it's rendition of reds and oranges. It's made color interpretation of aircraft camouflage and markings difficult in my other hobby. But I do think this car has a freight or box car red end account the white reporting mark and number on the end as well as the subtle differences in tone between the end and side.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Fri, 6/8/18, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@mchsi.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] How To Ventilate FGE 25339?
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Friday, June 8, 2018, 1:32 PM

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at
08:54 am, Ted Schnepf wrote:

Wonder what body color FGE used at this time and
for how long it was used?  Appears to be a freight car
red?
I believe the car is the standard PFE yellow orange, and the
dark tone is the result of being photographed on
orthochromatic film, which turned reds black and oranges
very dark. Note the lettering on the car side is black and
barely shows; not what one would expect if the car were
painted FCR. I'd say over half the photos I've seen
of Soo Line reefers from this period show no lettering
what-so-ever, it simply disappears into the same graytone
the film rendered the orange sides. Only the white lettering
in the herald shows.

Dennis
Storzek
Re: CNW GATC Boxcars

Tim Meyer
 

Thanks for the help.

Tim Meyer
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