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Re: unknown vinegar tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Ken O'Brien wrote

>> RMC did an article in October 2007 on a Richter Vinegar Company car,
>> reporting marks of RVCX

Thanks Ken. Three different cars in 1950 (#11 #12 #14) and one left in 1959
(#14 8,178 gallons).

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

radiodial868
 

Yeah, it's the shield with tree at the bottom. For once F&C did a decal that wasn't just blobs, these are really nice. The fact that one style included is white outlined and the other the inverse, was hoping that one was early and the other later.  It is a 1927 boxcar after all. 
http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6550.html
Looks like plan ol' "Bangor & Aroostook". Still a cool name though.
It's going to carry high quality paper mill products from Maine to California (at least in my world).
Thanks,
RJ Dial


Northern Pacific 9875 DS Box car

Lester Breuer
 

I have added another box car to my fleet, a Sunshine Models Resin kit, Northern Pacific 9875 DS Box Car.   Photos of build  and writeup including changes from kit,  paint, etc. are on my blog  I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

al_brown03
 

I'm not an expert on vinegar cars, but the combination of the extra-heavy fishbelly underframe and the two tanks is, I'd think, semi-distinctive. Several cars more or less like this are shown in Leider, "Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest", chapter 6.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Dave Parker
 

Curt:

I am away from home and it's been a while since I worked on my Broadway Limited ARA hoppers (B&M), but I have this vague recollection that they weren't painted.  Just pad printing on black ABS (I think). 

But I am glad for the Pine Sol tip, because I didn't have much luck with my other approaches.  Again working from memory, I think the 91% iso attacked the lettering and the base plastic at about the same rate, not a desirable outcome.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

mopacfirst
 

One more:

http://www.fleischmannsvinegar.com/company.aspx.html

shows three photos, two of tank cars, that are of interest regarding loading and transportation of vinegar.  The bladder truck is of interest too.

Ron Merrick


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

mopacfirst
 

I thought, wait a minute, Sunshine did a kit for this one.  Actually, the Sunshine kit (numbers 60.x with choice of lettering, all Fleischmann or SBIX) had one single, longer, tank on, guessing here, a shorter steel frame.  This car could have simply had greater total capacity by volume, or could be that the smaller tanks could have been easier to fabricate, assemble and install.

Ron Merrick


DT&I 14300-14549

Tim O'Connor
 

My notes say these cars were built by Greenville, but a photo appears to
show ACF "car builder ends" (with dimples). I can't find these in any of the
Ed Hawkins' spreadsheets on 40 foot postwar box cars

Thanks

Tim O'Connor


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

Bruce Smith
 

And Ambroid offered a kit of that car many years ago. We’ve also mentioned vinegar cars with two tanks on the list before.

Here’s one in the Green Bay museum
http://www.davidpride.com/USA/Wisconsin/GreenBay_11_015.htm

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ken O'Brien <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

RMC did an article in October 2007 on a Richter Vinegar Company car, reporting marks of RVCX


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

Ken O'Brien
 
Edited

RMC did an article in October 2007 on a Richter Vinegar Company car, reporting marks of RVCX. They had an earlier article in the December 2000 RMC.


Re: unknown vinegar tank car

 

I have a similar car, supposedly SBIX marks; see attached. It's coupled to a standard-looking SBIX car.


Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

On 6/12/18, 1:26 PM, "Tim O'Connor" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io on behalf of timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


I've never seen this particular style of vinegar tank car before.
Anyone have an idea of its reporting marks or its story?

Tim O'Connor


unknown vinegar tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

I've never seen this particular style of vinegar tank car before.
Anyone have an idea of its reporting marks or its story?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Tim O'Connor
 


Most definitely the paints used by Athearn and Accurail will "blush" (or bloom as you
call it) with alcohol. It affects Athearn paints more strongly than Accurail. This can
be very useful when weathering with alcohol washes, especially gondola and hopper car
interiors. Walthers (not Proto) paint is much less vulnerable to this effect, or at
least it used to be.

And yeah lettering and paint are often different formulas - many times I've stripped a
car and only the paint is gone and the lettering remains in part or in full.

Tim O'Connor


I find that 91% ISOH tends to leave a sort of "bloom" on the surface of cars, which is not entirely removed by an overcoat of clear matte or semi-matte varnish.

Barry Roth


Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Jeff Coleman
 

Garth
Thanks for the heads up.

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 1:47 PM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
Jeff,

I've had 91% isopropyl alcohol attack some plastics. Caution is in order.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 6/12/18 8:06 AM, Jeff Coleman wrote:
I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 
Good luck

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 



Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Barry Roth
 

I find that 91% ISOH tends to leave a sort of "bloom" on the surface of cars, which is not entirely removed by an overcoat of clear matte or semi-matte varnish.

Barry Roth

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 10:47:06 AM PDT, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:


Jeff,

I've had 91% isopropyl alcohol attack some plastics. Caution is in order.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 6/12/18 8:06 AM, Jeff Coleman wrote:
I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 
Good luck

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 



Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jeff,

I've had 91% isopropyl alcohol attack some plastics. Caution is in order.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 6/12/18 8:06 AM, Jeff Coleman wrote:
I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 
Good luck

Jeff Coleman

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 



Re: [Espee] The Slow Death Of A Boxcar

Alex Huff
 

The bagasse that wasn't used as boiler fuel was shipped by rail after being baled into cubes roughly three feet on a side.  In Louisiana, the destination was a Johns-Manville plant in Harvey, LA, a suburb of New Orleans.  The plant converted the bagasse after grinding it into a rough cardboard like product under the brand name Celotex.  It was used as interior paneling for both walls and ceilings.  The rail move was in gons that were on their last legs, sprung sidewalls and end walls due to overloading and not uncommon were gons with bowed centersills from being grossly overloaded.  My first job on a Class I railroad was switching the Johns-Manville plant in 1973.         


Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Don Burn
 

Looking at Ted Culotta's book on the 1932 AAR boxcars it appears that the shield herald was late 1940's. There was a circular herald somewhat earlier, then before that no herald just lettering. I am not sure what herald you have, but the shield definitely is post your time frame.

Don Burn

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Which nifty herald would that be? I can do a little research, but I don't see an illustration to point to the correct direction.

Dick

(Bangor, Maine)


On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 4:54:01 AM EDT, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:


Looking good RJ.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



On 12 Jun 2018, at 05:46, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net <mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net> > wrote:




One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim





Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit. I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939.
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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Re: Broadway hopper lettering removal

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

I tried 91% Isopropyl Alcohol with a Q-tip to remove lettering on a Bachmann 2-8-0 tender. The black paint on the tender body came off nicely, which I didn’t want, except where the lettering was; I mean is. So now I have an unpainted spot with Dulux gold lettering.

John Hagen

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:07 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 

I'm not sure this wouldn't attack the base paint but 91% Isopropyl Alcohol and Q-tip may work. 

Good luck

 

Jeff Coleman

 

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:43 AM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Model Railroader mentioned using Pine Sol to remove lettering about ten years ago. I  bought a bottle, but I’ve never used it. Somebody with access to their archive may wish to do a search and report back the details.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:49 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Broadway hopper lettering removal

 


Very interesting that the Pine-Sol didn't affect the paint, only the lettering.
Has anyone tried this on other brands of freight car models? I assume they don't
all use exactly the same paint formula.

Tim O'

 


Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

richard glueck
 

Which nifty herald would that be?  I can do a little research, but I don't see an illustration to point to the correct direction.

Dick

(Bangor, Maine) 

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, 4:54:01 AM EDT, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Looking good RJ.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 12 Jun 2018, at 05:46, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


One of the manufactured products made in Maine was clothes pins - certainly a
common item in your era. Your BAR box car could be delivering a load of those to
a warehouse. :-)

Another example is wooden Diamond Matches - those were made at a huge mill in the
Duluth Superior area served by GN. Photos show dozens of freight cars at a time, from
all over. Matches were extremely popular in those days.

Tim



Don't know what possessed a western road guy to build a New England 1927 BAR SS boxcar (F&C #6550), but I did. Nice little kit.  I know nothing about the BAR, any of your East Coasters know when the BAR started using that nifty herald that came with the kit? (instructions don't say)
I model 1939. 
All painted and waiting for decals (see attached).
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

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