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Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

Robert Smaus did a project railroad based on the Los Angeles harbor area
for MR. The series ran from December 1990 to March 1991. He wrote
briefly about building his own cotton bales using real cotton in Part 3
(February 1991), though his description is pretty sketchy. One of his
bales can be seen on page 99. He also talks a bit about how cotton for
Japan was handled, though his information is post-period for us.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

500 pound cotton bales were not supposed to be greater than 33”’at the widest dimension or “bulge” and maybe 56” long. They should be able to load that reefer through the 4’ door if they had to. They were pretty picky about the size of these things back in the day.

I wish I knew of an HO source of bales.

Jim Ogden


Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Steve SANDIFER
 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

According to http://slideplayer.com/slide/10482349/
In 1901 a cotton bale was 5-5 1/2 feet long, about 30 inches thick and 40-48 inches wide, weighting 400-500 pounds.
As compression came into play, the bales got smaller, but weighed the same with a higher pounds per cubic foot.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

500 pound cotton bales were not supposed to be greater than 33”’at the widest dimension or “bulge” and maybe 56” long. They should be able to load that reefer through the 4’ door if they had to. They were pretty picky about the size of these things back in the day.

I wish I knew of an HO source of bales.

Jim Ogden


Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

According to http://slideplayer.com/slide/10482349/
In 1901 a cotton bale was 5-5 1/2 feet long, about 30 inches thick and 40-48 inches wide, weighting 400-500 pounds.
As compression came into play, the bales got smaller, but weighed the same with a higher pounds per cubic foot.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

500 pound cotton bales were not supposed to be greater than 33”’at the widest dimension or “bulge” and maybe 56” long. They should be able to load that reefer through the 4’ door if they had to. They were pretty picky about the size of these things back in the day.

I wish I knew of an HO source of bales.

Jim Ogden


Grain Vents

Bob Chaparro
 

I came across AAR Pamphlet No. 36, issued in 1925 and revised in 1950. This pamphlet was titled "Rules Regulating The Safe Loading of Bulk Grain in Closed Cars".

A statement from this document says, "If grain vents at floor are obstructed they should be reopened".

What are grain vents (beyond the obvious) and how would you describe them?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 AAR murphy rectangular panel roofs

Bill Welch
 

They also fit the Branchline (now Atlas) kits without any modification.

Bill Welch


IMWX/Red Caboose 1937 AAR murphy rectangular panel roofs

Andy Carlson
 

Over the last 20 years (or so) I have sold over 1700 Red Caboose '3 AAR rec. panel box car roofs. I don't need to remind the good folks of this list about the improvement of this roof over Intermountain's own in-house similar roof. With a quick use of flush rail cutters, the top 1/4" of the Intermountain 40' house cars' end builkheads allows the replacement of these better roofs.

I just received a special run of these roofs from Intermountain. I had asked Frank Angsted back in January for these 500 roofs, and he was encouraging, to the point that they are now available again!

Pricing was fair, and I can hold onto the old price of $2.50/roof. Shipping is $3 and up.

If interested, please contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson


Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

ROGER HINMAN
 

http://www.cotton.org/tech/bale/bale-description.cfm

the attached link says it would fit; don't know if that is the same standards used at the time of the photo.

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 11:44 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Here are two photos from the Library of Congress. The first photo implies that the cotton bales will be loaded into the refrigerator car behind the bales. The door opening for this car is about four feet wide. Is/was the typical cotton bale less that four feet across or perhaps these bales were to be loaded in the boxcar shown in the second photo?
Caption: "Cotton bales to be shipped in freight cars, Knowlton Plantation, Perthshire, Mississippi Delta, Mississippi, c 1939"
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

would be a good item for 3D printing - they don't have to be smooth. :-)

I wish I knew of an HO source of bales.

Jim Ogden


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Bill Welch
 

The six color photos I have show a dark green. I have not opened the paint as yet to see ho light it is.

Bill Welch


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Tim O'Connor
 


Correct. No NP freight cars were painted NP "Loewy" Light Green. Some NP cars were
painted in another shade of light green (precursor to "BN Cascade Green") but none
of these cars were.

HOWEVER - Bill is ok, because BADGER has labeled Loewy "Dark Green" as "Light Green"
for inexplicable reasons. (And vendors wonder why consumers are confused, and don't buy
their products.)

Tim O'Connor



  My belief is that for the NP DF box cars and RBL's you want the Loewy-scheme
  dark green passenger car color. The 1000's and 1100's had a white stripe. The RBL's
  had a chrome yellow stripe.
  Rufus Cone



This model will be painted with badger's Modelflex #16-77 Northern Pacific Light Green.

Bill Welch


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Rufus Cone
 

My belief is that for the NP DF box cars and RBL's you want the Loewy-scheme dark green passenger car color.  The 1000's and 1100's had a white stripe.  The RBL's had a chrome yellow stripe.

Bill Welch wrote:

This model will be painted with badger's Modelflex #16-77 Northern Pacific Light Green.

Bill Welch
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Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Roommate wanted for Collinsville meet

Jared Harper
 

I have reserved a room at the Super 8 just blocks from the convention center at Collinsville and would like to share.

Jared Harper
harperandbrown@...


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Bill Welch
 

I too am colorblind Ron but also Acrylic Only. This model will be painted with badger's Modelflex #16-77 Northern Pacific Light Green.

Bill Welch


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Mr. Welch, very good!
Fenton

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

I think I have finally finished up adding rivets to the Branchline 50-foot SD car I am working on to model it as one of the NP's DF 1100 series cars. Branchline did this car but on a body with tabs whereas the actual cars dad straight side sills. I used an Athearn undec. gondola as the source for the rivets on the gusset plates because they are slightly larger. They do not look sharp in the photo because the silver ink from the Sharpie I use to highlight them has run when hit with liquid Testers.


Bill Welch




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Shipping Cotton Bales In A Reefer

Jim Ogden
 

500 pound cotton bales were not supposed to be greater than 33”’at the widest dimension or “bulge” and maybe 56” long. They should be able to load that reefer through the 4’ door if they had to. They were pretty picky about the size of these things back in the day.

I wish I knew of an HO source of bales.

Jim Ogden


Desperately need operator

Jared Harper
 

One of the operators for my Sunday, July 1st operating session on the Alma branch has backed out.  I desperately need a third person.  As usual we will gather at noon for lunch.  After lunch we will retire to the basement to operate trains 95/96.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

mopacfirst
 

What Tru-Color or Scalecoat color would be appropriate for this car?  Said the color-blind guy who can't do color matching....


Ron Merrick


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Bill Welch
 

Tim, the new holes are for Kadee bracket grabs. From my reading of the photos I have of these cars this is where these should be.

Bill Welch


Re: Northern Pacific DF 1100 series modeling

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill I'm curious about the holes I see drilled for the hand grabs - Are you
relocating the grabs? Did Branchline mislocate them?

Very nice work - I can't wait to see the finished model! :-)

Tim O'Connor




I think I have finally finished up adding rivets tot he Branchline 50-foot SD car I am working on to model it as one of the NP's DF 1100 series cars. Branchline did this car but on a body with tabs whereas the actual cars dad straight side sills. I used an Athearn undec. gondola as the source for the rivets on the gusset plates because they are slightly larger. They do not look sharp in the photo because the silver ink from the Sharpie I use to highlight them has run when hit with liquid Testers.

Bill Welch

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PSPX car in what service?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Steve!

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PSPX car in what service?

See also
Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/27154732507/in/photostream/

J. Stephen Sandifer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PSPX car in what service?

The end view shows what appear to be blocks or clamps that are curved.
Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/28151421878/in/photostream/
Note also the cross members on the upper framing have curved indentions.
Could this be a car for transporting large round gas canisters or tanks?

Doug Harding
Blockedwww.iowacentralrr.org


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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 8:49 AM
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Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/27154732507/in/datetaken/

any ideas?

Elden Gatwood

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