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Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

Nice pictures!    I noticed that URTX 2050 has indented  dreadnaught ends for the top half, regular (outward) ribs on the bottom half.   Was that standard for the group or a one-of-a-kind?

Tom Casey.


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From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2018 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Will this help??
Fenton


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Will send info late tonight, when I get to computer.

Doug Harding
Sent from my phone


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

gary laakso
 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #16 included an article on these cars and noted that they designed for long distance service delivering high value produce to eastern markets.  The author, Pat Wilder, was unaware of the cars being used in high speed passenger service.  He does note that the underframe components and brake gear appear to be “a complete guess on the part of the manufacturer or importer.”

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

 

Hi Johannes,

I looked at the photos at the link you provided, and the model there has AB brakes and no provision for steam and signal pipes for passenger train service.  I don't know if that is correct, but if so, it would indicate that the intended service was freight.  Express reefers from other owners (PFE, for example) would normally be carried in passenger trains when loaded (usually with high value, high priority cargo), and also could be found in freight trains when empty or with cargoes of lesser value and time-sensitiveness.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

I would be looking at doing the cars in 1948, the last year these cars were on the roster supposedly. I model 1950 which is close enough to include them. They have wood ends. Looking at your photos Wells, the one on the right I believe to be orange but it is also a later paint scheme. When did GATX buy out URTX and can you truly say it was universal, Dennis? It just seems like there is a lot of conflicting paint information on these cars and I haven't found a photo of this car series.


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

What era, and does the car hve steel roof and ends? URTX was universally freightcar red roof and ends until GATX took them over, then cars rebuilt with steel roof and ends went black. If you are going back farther in time the sides were more yellow than orange.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

Will this help??
Fenton


More changes

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

I was just informed this morning that Grandtline has been purchased by Leadville Shops in Denver, and production will be moved over this coming year. Whew!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

It's surprisingly limited for this kit and it states that they are not certain of what these cars even looked like while they were on the roster. Here is one of the kits modeled, the only picture I could find. It seems most similar reefers prior to 1950 were yellow with either black or a reddish oxide brown, although I have also seen them in orange.


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Johannes,

I looked at the photos at the link you provided, and the model there has AB brakes and no provision for steam and signal pipes for passenger train service.  I don't know if that is correct, but if so, it would indicate that the intended service was freight.  Express reefers from other owners (PFE, for example) would normally be carried in passenger trains when loaded (usually with high value, high priority cargo), and also could be found in freight trains when empty or with cargoes of lesser value and time-sensitiveness.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

What do the Westerfield directions and prototype data sheet recommend? That data is often included.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

 

Hi everyone,

I am interested in doing a Westerfield kit #6607. It is a Type 2A AC&F Reefer labeled for URTX/M&StL. My question lies with appropriate colors and/or photos of the prototype. It appears that black ends and a roof are appropriate with reefer yellow sides, but I am not certain. Can anyone that knows the M&StL enlighten me? I believe they are a 95000 series car.

Thanks ahead of time.


Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I consider buying a Milwaukee 70 ton reefer such as this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/067632/HO-Scale-Brass-Model-Train-OMI-Overland-3163-MILW-CM-STP-Milwaukee-Road-70-Ton-Reefer-89040-Custom

Would the prototype be a more or less common sight in normal freight service, too, or was it used only in passenger or fast mail trains?

Many thanks for any help

Johannes, modeling a time frame around 1950, +/- one or two years


Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

Hi everyone,

I am interested in doing a Westerfield kit #6607. It is a Type 2A AC&F Reefer labeled for URTX/M&StL. My question lies with appropriate colors and/or photos of the prototype. It appears that black ends and a roof are appropriate with reefer yellow sides, but I am not certain. Can anyone that knows the M&StL enlighten me? I believe they are a 95000 series car.

Thanks ahead of time.


Re: Used book sites

Tom Madden
 

Jared Harper wrote:
> I would just Google the title and sites will come up.

This is bizarre. I wasn't sure what Jared was replying to, so, since I was reading his post on the web, I clicked the <back> arrow to see the previous post in the thread. (The thread "Used book sites".) Got a jolt when the previous post turned out to be from Richard Hendrickson of Ashland, Oregon! Then I saw the date of Richard's post: 12/12/2000. Dang, I thought for a moment.....

I've noticed before that if you choose a topic title that matches word for word one that has been used,previously, no matter how long in the past that might have been, your post will show as a reply to that thread and not as a new one.

Tom Madden


Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Two

Bill Welch
 

Among the distinctive differences for the Wabash version of the War Emergency boxcars is the look of the sill area so I started there by fabricating the long Tab that I have finished. Then I used short lengths of 2 x 3 strip styrene to create a beefier lower sill or plate between the bracing. I did not worry about being too precise with these as they will be covers with gusset plates.

I then fabricated the Towing Loops and used bits of .005 styrene to create their attachment flanges.

Bill Welch


Re: Used book sites

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 27, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

I would just Google the title and sites will come up.
bookfinder.com is one web porta to a veritable horde of online booksellers.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, San Francisco


Re: Used book sites

Jared Harper
 

I would just Google the title and sites will come up.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: US Navy Box Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ken,

I'm not sure how the cars were originally lettered, but I have a photo of the WRM car when it was donated to the museum. See our photo section, page 9, my Album 7, the third photo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 6/27/18 6:31 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
I am in the long drawn out process of converting a pair of Accurail 36 foot 14xx series steel end box cars into cars the D&RGW sold as surplus to the Navy to replace cars destroyed in the July 1944 Port Chicago (California) explosion which killed several hundred sailors and others. I have pretty much finished the first car based on the recent Rio Grande Modeling and Historical Society Prospector Volume 17 #2 article by Jim Spencer. 

Today I was able to go to the Western Railway Museum near Rio Vista California and get some additional detail pictures of one of the cars they have preserved. I was also able to view their older rooster document that shows the Navy reporting numbers for the 3 cars they received as 61-00200, 61-00201 and 61-00202.  In some  subsequent internet research I found a reference that the US Navy implemented a uniform system of numbering railroad equipment about 1948 of 1949 in which the 61 prefix was used for box cars. Other documents have indicated the 65-nnnnn series was used for diesel switchers. A lot of Google searching was unable to help with a complete numbering scheme or any further documentation on the numbering,

If anyone has any more information about the original pre-1948 Navy box car numbers or the renumbering in general, I would appreciate it. 

Thus far I have modified the Accurail cars according to the Prospector article with modified cross beam locations and the angle of the bolsters. I trimmed the lower side of the car body to eliminate a ledge that was not on the prototype, changed the lateral roof walks and added 24 inch grab irons to the sides. I also changed the end sill to simulate a steel channel. I sprayed the body with Tamiya Premium Fine White Primer which produces a flat slightly grayed white surface that appears to match the pictures I have seen of other Navy box cars. With what I know now I can go ahead and use the Clover House US Navy transfers to model preserved ex D&RGW 63383 as US Navy 61-00203. In the WRM documentation it appears the car had arch bar trucks when received by the museum. 

There is still much more detail work until I decide it is "good enough". 



Re: Reboxx

Tim O'Connor
 



John's email = jeburr1@...


I called John Burrows at Reboxx (978-568-9941) - there is a message on the answering service that essentially says that 1. they are still in business, but 2. they are in a transition stage - whatever that means, but are taking orders and to leave a message.  (I think I heard the same message about 6 months ago)
best I can do Pierre, norm buckhart



> Has any one heard from the people at reboxx, lately.
> I've had a large order with them for months now with no responses
> Pierre Oliver


US Navy Box Cars

Ken Adams
 

I am in the long drawn out process of converting a pair of Accurail 36 foot 14xx series steel end box cars into cars the D&RGW sold as surplus to the Navy to replace cars destroyed in the July 1944 Port Chicago (California) explosion which killed several hundred sailors and others. I have pretty much finished the first car based on the recent Rio Grande Modeling and Historical Society Prospector Volume 17 #2 article by Jim Spencer. 

Today I was able to go to the Western Railway Museum near Rio Vista California and get some additional detail pictures of one of the cars they have preserved. I was also able to view their older rooster document that shows the Navy reporting numbers for the 3 cars they received as 61-00200, 61-00201 and 61-00202.  In some  subsequent internet research I found a reference that the US Navy implemented a uniform system of numbering railroad equipment about 1948 of 1949 in which the 61 prefix was used for box cars. Other documents have indicated the 65-nnnnn series was used for diesel switchers. A lot of Google searching was unable to help with a complete numbering scheme or any further documentation on the numbering,

If anyone has any more information about the original pre-1948 Navy box car numbers or the renumbering in general, I would appreciate it. 

Thus far I have modified the Accurail cars according to the Prospector article with modified cross beam locations and the angle of the bolsters. I trimmed the lower side of the car body to eliminate a ledge that was not on the prototype, changed the lateral roof walks and added 24 inch grab irons to the sides. I also changed the end sill to simulate a steel channel. I sprayed the body with Tamiya Premium Fine White Primer which produces a flat slightly grayed white surface that appears to match the pictures I have seen of other Navy box cars. With what I know now I can go ahead and use the Clover House US Navy transfers to model preserved ex D&RGW 63383 as US Navy 61-00203. In the WRM documentation it appears the car had arch bar trucks when received by the museum. 

There is still much more detail work until I decide it is "good enough". 


Re: Reboxx

James Brewer
 

cardboard storage boxes for your steam era freight cars are also available from Spring Mills Depot....


Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Norm Buckhart <norm@...> wrote:
Denny - I think some of us are interested in the cardboard model storage boxes - are they still doing that?  Norm buckhart

On Jun 27, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:

> The owner of Reboxx is a personal (beyond modeling) friend, and he has asked me to report that at the moment Reboxx is in an interim quiet period, and that it is NOT going out of business.  The family member at the business end of the  phone is now out of state.
>
> Also at the moment, they are completely out of 33” wheel sets with 1.020, 1.025, and 1.030 axle lengths with no known date for replacement.   
>
> As side addendums, Reboxx’s long sharing of ownership with Intermountain has ended, and some recent uncertainties in Chinese production quality have taken a toll (problems all  caught before sale).
>
> Stay tuned…..
>
> Denny
>
> Denny S. Anspach MD
> Okoboji, IA
>
>
>
>





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