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Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Nelson Moyer
 

Westerfield, at least the original owner Westerfield included prototype data at the beginning of the kit instructions, and none of the kit’s I’ve built included a separate data sheet like Sunshine. The Instructions were printed on cheap paper in a small font, and photos weren’t always the best, i.e. many were dark and details were obscure. The painting and lettering data were quite reliable, unlike some of the Sunshine painting instructions. It’s always best to work from photos but color photos of the early cars are frequently unavailable, and when they are available, the color fidelity is suspect for a variety of reasons, e.g. early color film types, age of the paint job, amount of road grime, and of course ambient lighting. I rely on Gene Green’s reefer color book to get close and adjust from there. The Cudahy reefer photos in Gene’s book are a great example of how one paint color can appearing quite different, from bright yellow to dull orange.

 

And now for my pet peeve. Data are plural, and datum is singular. It is grammatically incorrect to say or write, “…data is …”. This is probably the most common tense error in the English language. As a science writer and editor among other things, I was astounded at how many learned people got it wrong.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

 

What do the Westerfield directions and prototype data sheet recommend? That data is often included.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

 

Hi everyone,

I am interested in doing a Westerfield kit #6607. It is a Type 2A AC&F Reefer labeled for URTX/M&StL. My question lies with appropriate colors and/or photos of the prototype. It appears that black ends and a roof are appropriate with reefer yellow sides, but I am not certain. Can anyone that knows the M&StL enlighten me? I believe they are a 95000 series car.

Thanks ahead of time.


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

 

Could these MILW reefers have also been used for frozen items like meat? Santa Fe had 50' ice reefers that were for frozen meat loads.


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

Benjamin Hom
 

Gary Laakso wrote:
"[Pat Wider] does note that the underframe components and brake gear appear to be 'a complete guess on the part of the manufacturer or importer.'"

Important lesson:  Just because it's brass [or resin] doesn't mean it's accurate.


Ben Hom


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

Todd Sullivan
 

Thanks, Gary for the information from RPC #16.  Pat Wilder's remark about the questionable underframe components on the model leads me to believe that the cars were actually express cars for passenger service.  They are the right length and height, and have a paint scheme that is compatible with such service.  They still would likely be run in freights going back home empty.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

I am certainly no expert but I believe the metal end cars were middle 50's.  Don't know how long the wood ends lasted and not sure when URTX took over.
Fenton

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:54 PM, tyesac@... via Groups.Io <tyesac@...> wrote:
Nice pictures!    I noticed that URTX 2050 has indented  dreadnaught ends for the top half, regular (outward) ribs on the bottom half.   Was that standard for the group or a one-of-a-kind?

Tom Casey.


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Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2018 1:10 pm
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Will this help??
Fenton




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Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

Nice pictures!    I noticed that URTX 2050 has indented  dreadnaught ends for the top half, regular (outward) ribs on the bottom half.   Was that standard for the group or a one-of-a-kind?

Tom Casey.


-----Original Message-----
From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2018 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Will this help??
Fenton


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Douglas Harding
 

Will send info late tonight, when I get to computer.

Doug Harding
Sent from my phone


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

gary laakso
 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #16 included an article on these cars and noted that they designed for long distance service delivering high value produce to eastern markets.  The author, Pat Wilder, was unaware of the cars being used in high speed passenger service.  He does note that the underframe components and brake gear appear to be “a complete guess on the part of the manufacturer or importer.”

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

 

Hi Johannes,

I looked at the photos at the link you provided, and the model there has AB brakes and no provision for steam and signal pipes for passenger train service.  I don't know if that is correct, but if so, it would indicate that the intended service was freight.  Express reefers from other owners (PFE, for example) would normally be carried in passenger trains when loaded (usually with high value, high priority cargo), and also could be found in freight trains when empty or with cargoes of lesser value and time-sensitiveness.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

I would be looking at doing the cars in 1948, the last year these cars were on the roster supposedly. I model 1950 which is close enough to include them. They have wood ends. Looking at your photos Wells, the one on the right I believe to be orange but it is also a later paint scheme. When did GATX buy out URTX and can you truly say it was universal, Dennis? It just seems like there is a lot of conflicting paint information on these cars and I haven't found a photo of this car series.


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

What era, and does the car hve steel roof and ends? URTX was universally freightcar red roof and ends until GATX took them over, then cars rebuilt with steel roof and ends went black. If you are going back farther in time the sides were more yellow than orange.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

O Fenton Wells
 

Will this help??
Fenton


More changes

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

I was just informed this morning that Grandtline has been purchased by Leadville Shops in Denver, and production will be moved over this coming year. Whew!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

It's surprisingly limited for this kit and it states that they are not certain of what these cars even looked like while they were on the roster. Here is one of the kits modeled, the only picture I could find. It seems most similar reefers prior to 1950 were yellow with either black or a reddish oxide brown, although I have also seen them in orange.


Re: Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Johannes,

I looked at the photos at the link you provided, and the model there has AB brakes and no provision for steam and signal pipes for passenger train service.  I don't know if that is correct, but if so, it would indicate that the intended service was freight.  Express reefers from other owners (PFE, for example) would normally be carried in passenger trains when loaded (usually with high value, high priority cargo), and also could be found in freight trains when empty or with cargoes of lesser value and time-sensitiveness.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Eric Hansmann
 

What do the Westerfield directions and prototype data sheet recommend? That data is often included.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 11:34 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

 

Hi everyone,

I am interested in doing a Westerfield kit #6607. It is a Type 2A AC&F Reefer labeled for URTX/M&StL. My question lies with appropriate colors and/or photos of the prototype. It appears that black ends and a roof are appropriate with reefer yellow sides, but I am not certain. Can anyone that knows the M&StL enlighten me? I believe they are a 95000 series car.

Thanks ahead of time.


Milwaukee 70 ton reefer - where has it been used?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I consider buying a Milwaukee 70 ton reefer such as this one:

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/067632/HO-Scale-Brass-Model-Train-OMI-Overland-3163-MILW-CM-STP-Milwaukee-Road-70-Ton-Reefer-89040-Custom

Would the prototype be a more or less common sight in normal freight service, too, or was it used only in passenger or fast mail trains?

Many thanks for any help

Johannes, modeling a time frame around 1950, +/- one or two years


Minneapolis & St. Louis URTX Reefer

Sean Murphy
 

Hi everyone,

I am interested in doing a Westerfield kit #6607. It is a Type 2A AC&F Reefer labeled for URTX/M&StL. My question lies with appropriate colors and/or photos of the prototype. It appears that black ends and a roof are appropriate with reefer yellow sides, but I am not certain. Can anyone that knows the M&StL enlighten me? I believe they are a 95000 series car.

Thanks ahead of time.


Re: Used book sites

Tom Madden
 

Jared Harper wrote:
> I would just Google the title and sites will come up.

This is bizarre. I wasn't sure what Jared was replying to, so, since I was reading his post on the web, I clicked the <back> arrow to see the previous post in the thread. (The thread "Used book sites".) Got a jolt when the previous post turned out to be from Richard Hendrickson of Ashland, Oregon! Then I saw the date of Richard's post: 12/12/2000. Dang, I thought for a moment.....

I've noticed before that if you choose a topic title that matches word for word one that has been used,previously, no matter how long in the past that might have been, your post will show as a reply to that thread and not as a new one.

Tom Madden


Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Two

Bill Welch
 

Among the distinctive differences for the Wabash version of the War Emergency boxcars is the look of the sill area so I started there by fabricating the long Tab that I have finished. Then I used short lengths of 2 x 3 strip styrene to create a beefier lower sill or plate between the bracing. I did not worry about being too precise with these as they will be covers with gusset plates.

I then fabricated the Towing Loops and used bits of .005 styrene to create their attachment flanges.

Bill Welch


Re: Used book sites

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 27, 2018, at 8:29 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

I would just Google the title and sites will come up.
bookfinder.com is one web porta to a veritable horde of online booksellers.
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Nolan Hinshaw, San Francisco

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