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Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Sometimes I need to remember to check my own resources. Jerry Angier's & Herb Cleaves' "Bangor & Aroostook, The Maine Railroad" book on the BAR has two photos of the ex-MDT reefers, both in black & white. #6006 appears on page #85 and #6508 on page #273, both painted in the blue and white pattern with the brown potato on the white background at the upper left.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers, was 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Donald B. Valentine
 

Richard, as I recall many of the steel reefers were rebuilt at Derby Shops by replacing their doors with a steel panel, removing the roofs and increasing the sides by a foot or so and adding cross braces to convert them into card for wood chips. Havce you any idea of the number so converted as compared to the number actually scrapped. 

Being in Winterport perhaps you can offer further info on potato loading there as well. Between Christmas and the New Year of the 1976-1977 winter I was through Winterport twice. On the first pass their was a German registered ship being loaded with seed potatoes, as we were told, and three of four more in the river waiting to be similarly loaded. On the return trip a few days later Winterport was empty.  Stopping at Searsport and not believing that all the ships cold have been loaded and sailed on that short a time we inquired what had happened to them. We were told the the inspector for the German buyer had grown very unhappy with the quality of seed potatoes being sent by the growers, had cancelled the buy order and sent the ships to New Orleans to load Idaho grown seed potatoes sent there instead. This was not the first time I had heard of poor quality spuds being shipped from "the county". I handled the insurance coverage for the service company that placed the heaters in the potato reefers on the BAR for  three years as well shortly before this and had heard of some of the problems. Too bad as the Aroostook Co. potato growers seem to have been their own worst problem. If you can you add anything to this business I'd be pleased to learn it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers, was 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

richard glueck
 

It was an East German ship at the Winterport docks, and the story you've heard is the truth.  What you may not know is, the community welcomed these sailors with open arms.  The East Germans loaded up on American cigarettes and other consumables like it was Christmas.  At least one member of the crew expressed a desire to own an American car, and what he got instead was something like four or five Volkswagon "Rabbits", donated by local dealers.  At the time, dealers couldn't give the used "Rabbits" away.  With permission of the Captain, they were hoisted aboard, and the sailor went home with riches beyond his wildest dreams!

I remember the potatoes were thought to be beneath human consumable quality, but not beneath animal feed or "vodka" quality.  That last part might be an urban legend.  The ship left only partially filled and stopped at Searsport to pick up other cargo, then sailed.  Sadly, they never returned. 

Side story, of no real merit here, the facility at Winterport became a refrigerated warehouse and was loaded with frozen fish.  One summer morning the refrigerators failed and the building was left for several days without inspection.  The entire down town area had to be emptied while suited personnel with air packs cleared the building.  The stink was overpowering!  Today the facility is a boat repair yard.

Regarding steel reefers being cut down, I can't say with accuracy.  I remember a huge string in storage in LaGrange, Maine, and little by little, they were sold off as scrap.   Shortly thereafter the rails and yard were also torn up.  Remnants of these cars can be found all over the state.

Richard


On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 7:28:40 AM EDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Richard, as I recall many of the steel reefers were rebuilt at Derby Shops by replacing their doors with a steel panel, removing the roofs and increasing the sides by a foot or so and adding cross braces to convert them into card for wood chips. Havce you any idea of the number so converted as compared to the number actually scrapped. 

Being in Winterport perhaps you can offer further info on potato loading there as well. Between Christmas and the New Year of the 1976-1977 winter I was through Winterport twice. On the first pass their was a German registered ship being loaded with seed potatoes, as we were told, and three of four more in the river waiting to be similarly loaded. On the return trip a few days later Winterport was empty.  Stopping at Searsport and not believing that all the ships cold have been loaded and sailed on that short a time we inquired what had happened to them. We were told the the inspector for the German buyer had grown very unhappy with the quality of seed potatoes being sent by the growers, had cancelled the buy order and sent the ships to New Orleans to load Idaho grown seed potatoes sent there instead. This was not the first time I had heard of poor quality spuds being shipped from "the county". I handled the insurance coverage for the service company that placed the heaters in the potato reefers on the BAR for  three years as well shortly before this and had heard of some of the problems. Too bad as the Aroostook Co. potato growers seem to have been their own worst problem. If you can you add anything to this business I'd be pleased to learn it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

George Eichelberger
 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.




Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

al.kresse
 

Wow! That is service . . . THANKS Mr. Eichelberger


Al Kresse

On July 5, 2018 at 11:46 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.




Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.



Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Bob Chaparro
 

Thank all of you for the information. I appreciate it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

Lester Breuer
 

I have built, painted and lettered Funaro & Camerlengo double-sheathed Box Car, Rock Island 155945, flat resin kit 3061.   I have posted photos and writeup on my blog I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:
 
 
Lester Breuer

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Thanks for that great photo Eric!  Also interesting is the repair to the lower end sheathing of Big Four 46611 on the adjacent track.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, MO

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Bruce Smith
 

Ike,

Thanks!  That’s great. So it almost sounds like these cars got whatever 50 ton truck was available when they were upgraded. ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:46 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.




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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Dennis Storzek
 

Also interesting how that car is marked, and a good example of why the MCB/ARA was trying to get the railroads to adopt standard reporting marks. The proper name of the railroad isn't "Big Four". It also isn't New York Central, and using NYC with that car number would be bogus, and likely to get the car lost. Meanwhile the switchman needs to check the end of the car to get its proper identification. I imagine inexperienced clerks came up with all sorts of incorrect variations before they could reliably remember this was the CCC&St.L.It was about this time that the ARA decreed that the roads had to either place their proper name or assigned initial adjacent to the car number, and this car illustrates why.

Dennis Storzek

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Eric, 

I know this is off subject, but are you going to produce the 1920'S Refer car into a kit for sale?

Dale Florence



On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 12:22:56 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

  

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io ] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.



Re: Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Lester 

Thanks for the information I have always fancied one of those Rock Island cars.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 6:00 pm, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have built, painted and lettered Funaro & Camerlengo double-sheathed Box Car, Rock Island 155945, flat resin kit 3061.   I have posted photos and writeup on my blog I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:
 
 
Lester Breuer

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

gary laakso
 

Before the rivet police confiscate the picture,  the corner sill step is missing on the end facing the camera. 

 

Gary “I have flat cars with missing sill steps too” Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


Re: Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

gary laakso
 

Lester, I built 3 of the first version of these kits as Great Northern cars in January, 1988.  The corner supports were separate castings and they were a pain to file down to size.  They have rolled many scale miles in 30 years!  Good job and a good article on how to build the kit.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:01 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

 

I have built, painted and lettered Funaro & Camerlengo double-sheathed Box Car, Rock Island 155945, flat resin kit 3061.   I have posted photos and writeup on my blog I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

 

Lester Breuer

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Gary,

 

I’m not certain when Southern 115232 was built, but I suspect it was just before the 1911 amendments to the Safety Appliance Act. The amendment stipulated the addition of safety appliance hardware for all new freight cars. Railroads had a period of time to upgrade older rolling stock and some cars remained in original form into the late Teens.

 

To our current perspective, the corner sill step is missing. But to the perspective of 1913 prototypes, the car has not yet been upgraded to meet the new safety standards. Note the adjacent NYCL boxcar does not have a complete grab iron ladder on the car side. The Big Four boxcar seems to have a NEW 1912 date, so it should have the full complement of grabs and sill steps. The third boxcar in that string (a weathered LS&MS car) is missing the car side ladder. This would be a common appearance in 1913.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 1:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Before the rivet police confiscate the picture,  the corner sill step is missing on the end facing the camera. 

 

Gary “I have flat cars with missing sill steps too” Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Jack Mullen
 

Gary,

Well spotted, but the step isn't missing - there simply was never one fitted there ( note no rivet holes in the side sill). It's 1913 and this car hasn't been brought into compliance with the Safety Appliance Act yet.

Jack Mullen

MDT 1920s reefer, was SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Dale,

 

At this point, production of an early 1920s MDT resin kit reefer does not look likely.

 

A master was created using drawing software and a print made at Shapeways to use as a master for resin production. After casting a couple dozen of the parts and assembling, there are concerns that the Shapeways print is too rough to meet the bar set by current resin freight car kits.

 

Wish the news were better.

 

 

Eric Hansamnn

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of dale florence via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Eric, 

 

I know this is off subject, but are you going to produce the 1920'S Refer car into a kit for sale?

 

Dale Florence

 

 

 

 

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

As George mentioned, the Southern 116850-117349 flat cars had a 41-foot, 6-inch length. The image I sent was of an earlier car build and a foot and a half shorter.

 

I have some data on the 1926 Southern flat cars but wanted to check it with the 1926 ORER listings. While checking, I found an error on the Southern recapitulation data. The listing notes 4623 for all standard gauge, class F cars but my tally from the car series listings comes to 2385. With that number in mind, here are the three main flat car series on the 1926 Southern Railway roster. I believe all of these are fish belly side sill cars.

 

115000-115749 :: 709 cars; 40-foot length

115750-116849 :: 1070 cars; 40-foot, 2-inch length

116850-117349 :: 56 cars; 41-foot, 6-inch length

These flat cars represent 76% of the 1926 Southern flat car fleet.

 

I’m also interested in the composite gondolas that used the same underframe as the 116850-117349 flat cars. I had thought there were more than these. Here are the 1926 numbers.

118000-118749 :: 730 cars; 40-foot, 2-inch outside length

Attached is an image of Southern 118319 that was found in the University of Kentucky digital archive. Sadly, the weigh date is hidden behind a stake bracket.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Jobe, Sr.
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Thanks for that great photo Eric!  Also interesting is the repair to the lower end sheathing of Big Four 46611 on the adjacent track.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, MO

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.

Re: MDT 1920s reefer, was SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Eric

I was looking forward to this kit. Sorry it will not be produced.

Dale Florence




On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 4:06:33 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Dale,

 

At this point, production of an early 1920s MDT resin kit reefer does not look likely.

 

A master was created using drawing software and a print made at Shapeways to use as a master for resin production. After casting a couple dozen of the parts and assembling, there are concerns that the Shapeways print is too rough to meet the bar set by current resin freight car kits.

 

Wish the news were better.

 

 

Eric Hansamnn

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


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Eric, 

 

I know this is off subject, but are you going to produce the 1920'S Refer car into a kit for sale?

 

Dale Florence