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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Thanks for that great photo Eric!  Also interesting is the repair to the lower end sheathing of Big Four 46611 on the adjacent track.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, MO

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.


Rock Island DS Box Car 155945

Lester Breuer
 

I have built, painted and lettered Funaro & Camerlengo double-sheathed Box Car, Rock Island 155945, flat resin kit 3061.   I have posted photos and writeup on my blog I started to share photos and writeup on Freight Cars, etc. of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:
 
 
Lester Breuer

Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Bob Chaparro
 

Thank all of you for the information. I appreciate it.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Attached is an image of a Southern fishbelly side sill flat car hauling a long load of plate steel. The image is from the Historic Pittsburgh digital archive site and was taken at the Rankin yard in 1913. While this car looks similar to the drawings George shared, it has a few slight differences. The end sill and number of stack brackets are two main differences.

 

I would guess the extra hand brake wheel and staff are from the Philadelphia & Reading car ahead of this Southern flat car.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:46 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.



Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Wow! That is service . . . THANKS Mr. Eichelberger


Al Kresse

On July 5, 2018 at 11:46 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.




Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

George Eichelberger
 

Bruce:

Here is a Google Drive link to printable sizes of the two parts of Southern drawing SF-1126 showing the General Arrangement for Southern 116850-117349. It shows the brake line passing through the end sill. A minor detail....note the rivets on the body bolster directly above the truck side frame are flattened to provide clearance when the springs were completely depressed.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bM3G4RwUZphqjcAPc-Cd_-1CDNiE-3be?usp=sharing

I cannot find a reference to the Truck Spec for this series of cars. Truck Spec FT-97 was for series 116600-116849 and most likely applied to 116850-117349 but it is not much help. It specifies an arch bar truck that has been pencilled out and replaced with a "standard 50-ton cast steel freight truck". As this was when the Southern was changing from arch bar to cast steel trucks so exactly what was used on a particular car needs to be verified using a photo.

Ike

PS The same design was used for cars built and operated as "gondolas". Other than the wood sides and ends, they were the same as the 116000 series flats. It's not weathered but here's a photo of the same kit as a gon.




Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers, was 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

richard glueck
 

It was an East German ship at the Winterport docks, and the story you've heard is the truth.  What you may not know is, the community welcomed these sailors with open arms.  The East Germans loaded up on American cigarettes and other consumables like it was Christmas.  At least one member of the crew expressed a desire to own an American car, and what he got instead was something like four or five Volkswagon "Rabbits", donated by local dealers.  At the time, dealers couldn't give the used "Rabbits" away.  With permission of the Captain, they were hoisted aboard, and the sailor went home with riches beyond his wildest dreams!

I remember the potatoes were thought to be beneath human consumable quality, but not beneath animal feed or "vodka" quality.  That last part might be an urban legend.  The ship left only partially filled and stopped at Searsport to pick up other cargo, then sailed.  Sadly, they never returned. 

Side story, of no real merit here, the facility at Winterport became a refrigerated warehouse and was loaded with frozen fish.  One summer morning the refrigerators failed and the building was left for several days without inspection.  The entire down town area had to be emptied while suited personnel with air packs cleared the building.  The stink was overpowering!  Today the facility is a boat repair yard.

Regarding steel reefers being cut down, I can't say with accuracy.  I remember a huge string in storage in LaGrange, Maine, and little by little, they were sold off as scrap.   Shortly thereafter the rails and yard were also torn up.  Remnants of these cars can be found all over the state.

Richard


On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 7:28:40 AM EDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Richard, as I recall many of the steel reefers were rebuilt at Derby Shops by replacing their doors with a steel panel, removing the roofs and increasing the sides by a foot or so and adding cross braces to convert them into card for wood chips. Havce you any idea of the number so converted as compared to the number actually scrapped. 

Being in Winterport perhaps you can offer further info on potato loading there as well. Between Christmas and the New Year of the 1976-1977 winter I was through Winterport twice. On the first pass their was a German registered ship being loaded with seed potatoes, as we were told, and three of four more in the river waiting to be similarly loaded. On the return trip a few days later Winterport was empty.  Stopping at Searsport and not believing that all the ships cold have been loaded and sailed on that short a time we inquired what had happened to them. We were told the the inspector for the German buyer had grown very unhappy with the quality of seed potatoes being sent by the growers, had cancelled the buy order and sent the ships to New Orleans to load Idaho grown seed potatoes sent there instead. This was not the first time I had heard of poor quality spuds being shipped from "the county". I handled the insurance coverage for the service company that placed the heaters in the potato reefers on the BAR for  three years as well shortly before this and had heard of some of the problems. Too bad as the Aroostook Co. potato growers seem to have been their own worst problem. If you can you add anything to this business I'd be pleased to learn it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers, was 1927 Boxcar 61000 series

Donald B. Valentine
 

Richard, as I recall many of the steel reefers were rebuilt at Derby Shops by replacing their doors with a steel panel, removing the roofs and increasing the sides by a foot or so and adding cross braces to convert them into card for wood chips. Havce you any idea of the number so converted as compared to the number actually scrapped. 

Being in Winterport perhaps you can offer further info on potato loading there as well. Between Christmas and the New Year of the 1976-1977 winter I was through Winterport twice. On the first pass their was a German registered ship being loaded with seed potatoes, as we were told, and three of four more in the river waiting to be similarly loaded. On the return trip a few days later Winterport was empty.  Stopping at Searsport and not believing that all the ships cold have been loaded and sailed on that short a time we inquired what had happened to them. We were told the the inspector for the German buyer had grown very unhappy with the quality of seed potatoes being sent by the growers, had cancelled the buy order and sent the ships to New Orleans to load Idaho grown seed potatoes sent there instead. This was not the first time I had heard of poor quality spuds being shipped from "the county". I handled the insurance coverage for the service company that placed the heaters in the potato reefers on the BAR for  three years as well shortly before this and had heard of some of the problems. Too bad as the Aroostook Co. potato growers seem to have been their own worst problem. If you can you add anything to this business I'd be pleased to learn it?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Donald B. Valentine
 

Sometimes I need to remember to check my own resources. Jerry Angier's & Herb Cleaves' "Bangor & Aroostook, The Maine Railroad" book on the BAR has two photos of the ex-MDT reefers, both in black & white. #6006 appears on page #85 and #6508 on page #273, both painted in the blue and white pattern with the brown potato on the white background at the upper left.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Printing suggestions?

Brian Termunde
 

Bob, Thanks. That's pretty much what I am doing, but then I 'reply' to the post, and copy and paste, and perhaps update, the header so in the future I will know where and when I saw the information. Any later posts I can then add to the saved document. 

I was just hoping that there is a better, easier way to do this.

Thank you again!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


Note that the BAR wood reefers are NOT all the same. Some had steel ends,
and this one (below) had wood ends.

Tim O'




Agreed! There were HUNDREDS of these BAR wood reefers in service throughout
the 1950's. And all SP & UP (i.e. PFE) modelers can use them as well. :-)

1953 - 238 in service
1955 - 272 in service (note INCREASE from 1953 to 1955)
1959 - 136 in service

I've included a photo of the orange repaint. So we can document at least THREE
paint and lettering styles on these BAR wood reefers.

Tim O'Connor


That is the $64K question Tim. To me this is the most obvious gap in kit availability
reefer-wise or freight car wise for that matter in HO with a variety of decades, reporting
marks and paint schemes. Someone is missing the boat here.

Bill Welch

Attachments:

Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Tim O'Connor
 


116177 - T-section VULCAN trucks, spring plank (banned in 1957?)
116691 - AAR U-section, spring plank
117008 - AAR U-section, spring plank (blurry image)
117644 - T-section VULCAN trucks, spring plank (converted to "gondola")

Tim O'





Given that I had today off from work, I dedicated it to moving some projects forward, including a resin SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car (116850-117349) kit from the Southern HS and Wrightrrak.
2) What type of trucks are appropriate on this car? I see that some neighboring series appear to have T-Section trucks while the kit includes the ubiquitous Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks
Regards,
Bruce Smith

Re: Bangor & Aroostook reefers

Tim O'Connor
 


Agreed! There were HUNDREDS of these BAR wood reefers in service throughout
the 1950's. And all SP & UP (i.e. PFE) modelers can use them as well. :-)

1953 - 238 in service
1955 - 272 in service (note INCREASE from 1953 to 1955)
1959 - 136 in service

I've included a photo of the orange repaint. So we can document at least THREE
paint and lettering styles on these BAR wood reefers.

Tim O'Connor


That is the $64K question Tim. To me this is the most obvious gap in kit availability
reefer-wise or freight car wise for that matter in HO with a variety of decades, reporting
marks and paint schemes. Someone is missing the boat here.

Bill Welch

SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Bruce Smith
 

​Folks,


Given that I had today off from work, I dedicated it to moving some projects forward, including a resin SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car (116850-117349) kit from the Southern HS and Wrightrrak. 


A couple of questions have arisen in the process...


1) What type of bracket was used to secure the trainline at the end of the car? The instructions do not indicate this.


2) What type of trucks are appropriate on this car? I see that some neighboring series appear to have T-Section trucks while the kit includes the ubiquitous Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

Re: Printing suggestions?

Bob Miller
 

Use your curser to highlight the text you want to save, click “Copy”open Word (if you have MS Office) and “Paste” in a blank document. You can save it in Word (.doc) or as a PDF.


On Jul 4, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...> wrote:

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I am on the digest mode, if that makes a difference.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: PRRPro X23 project

Bruce Smith
 

​Chuck, Folks,


It's pretty easy to post photos to the group. 


Go to the group web page (you can do that by clicking on the View/Reply Online link below and then select Photos from the list on the left, select the X23 folder, select "Upload" and pick your photos!


Photos that are sent as attachments are saved in a folder called "Emailed Photos". You will note that messages that include the attached photo from the original in the reply end up filling that folder with duplicate photos.... just one of the many things your moderators have fun cleaning up ;)


Regards,

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 5:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRRPro X23 project
 

Group, 

 

I have attached two photos of finished cars that would qualify for this project.  Both are kit-bashes of Cannon Ball Car Shops X23 flat styrene kits that I built many years ago.  There is an X23 tool car and an NX23 cabin car.  I am not sure how to post photos to the file of this group or if these attached photo posts will be automatically placed in a “photos” section.  I will provide some additional detail on building these two cars in a later post.  I am posting these to give others some options on this project, although the Westerfield X23 is an excellent starting point.

 

I have also build the Mathieson version of the R7 from the Westerfield kit.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

 

_,_._,_

Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Bill Welch
 

That is the $64K question Tim. To me this is the most obvious gap in kit availability reefer-wise or freight car wise for that matter in HO with a variety of decades, reporting marks and paint schemes. Someone is missing the boat here.

Bill Welch

Re: Bangor & Aroostook 1927 Boxcar 61000 series (Reefer Colors)

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a set of the Champ decals, and my potato is definitely a rich brown color,
not black or grey.

So... the $64,000 question... is there an HO scale MODEL for the MDT reefers acquired
by the Bangor & Aroostook?

I've included a couple of scans from Ted Culotta - note the date on BAR "S1300" -
it's 11-1949. And the potato-less scheme on BAR 6652 !

Tim O'Connor



  I thought so since they are brown. The Champ decal seems black or dark grey.
  Bill Welch

Re: PRRPro X23 project

Chuck Cover
 

Group, 

 

I have attached two photos of finished cars that would qualify for this project.  Both are kit-bashes of Cannon Ball Car Shops X23 flat styrene kits that I built many years ago.  There is an X23 tool car and an NX23 cabin car.  I am not sure how to post photos to the file of this group or if these attached photo posts will be automatically placed in a “photos” section.  I will provide some additional detail on building these two cars in a later post.  I am posting these to give others some options on this project, although the Westerfield X23 is an excellent starting point.

 

I have also build the Mathieson version of the R7 from the Westerfield kit.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

 

_,_._,_

Re: Printing suggestions?

Brian Termunde
 

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I am on the digest mode, if that makes a difference.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah