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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

It seems like a NEW stencil. It’s above the right truck, left journal. Look just above the 633 stencils.

 

What do you think?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:49 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

Eric,

 

It has a NEW stencil? Where? This photo may actually be quite late. I can see the CAPY 100000 and a WT 63300(?) but no Load Limit and no NEW or reweigh which makes me think that it is confined to online service.

 

As for ordering the 41’ 6” flat in HO, my lovely wife procured one for me about 2 years ago through the Southern Historical Association. Interestingly, my kit had several modifications that were not reflected in the kit directions.

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 

 



On Jul 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Ike for the generous shares of photos and detail on these Southern flat cars and gondolas. 

 

Attached is an early image of Southern 116177 with a lumber load. I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil. This came from another Pre-Depression Era modeler so I do not know the original source. The original file has been tweaked to improve the contrast and sharpen details. 

 

Will these flat car and gondola kits be available again? I do not recall an announcement for the original releases and I’ve been on this list for nearly 20 years. 

 

I hope to visit the Chattanooga facilities someday soon as I’m just a couple hours up the road.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern

 

I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.

 

The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)

 

The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.

 

Ike

 

 

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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Dave Parker
 

Bruce:

Yes, that's what they look like to me.  But the sideframes are different than the T-section Vulcans from ASF which first appear in the 1912 CBC.  ASF started calling them "Vulcan" trucks in the 1916 CBC. 

Other companies, including Gould, made similar trucks, but I am not sure who made those on this flat car.

It seems that the T-section Vulcans were rather quickly superseded by the U-section version, which appears in the 1919 CBC.  This is what Kadee's Vulcan truck represents.

Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Bruce Smith
 

Vulcan T-section?

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jul 9, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:
<snip>

The trucks are also interesting, an early Vulcan-like affair (but maybe not "Vulcan", an ASF trade-name) that suggests a mid-teens build date.


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Dave Parker
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

It has a NEW stencil? Where? This photo may actually be quite late. I can see the CAPY 100000 and a WT 63300(?) but no Load Limit and no NEW or reweigh which makes me think that it is confined to online service.

I don't see a NEW stencil either, but the lettering scheme is exactly what one would expect in the 1920-26 time frame.  With the 1927+ ARA standards, a LD LMT would have been added, and the various hardware stencils (brake beam, coupler, etc) removed. 

The trucks are also interesting, an early Vulcan-like affair (but maybe not "Vulcan", an ASF trade-name) that suggests a mid-teens build date.

I'd date the photo to 1925, + or -.

Dave Parker
Riverside, Ca


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

It has a NEW stencil? Where? This photo may actually be quite late. I can see the CAPY 100000 and a WT 63300(?) but no Load Limit and no NEW or reweigh which makes me think that it is confined to online service.

As for ordering the 41’ 6” flat in HO, my lovely wife procured one for me about 2 years ago through the Southern Historical Association. Interestingly, my kit had several modifications that were not reflected in the kit directions.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 9, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Thank you Ike for the generous shares of photos and detail on these Southern flat cars and gondolas. 
 
Attached is an early image of Southern 116177 with a lumber load. I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil. This came from another Pre-Depression Era modeler so I do not know the original source. The original file has been tweaked to improve the contrast and sharpen details. 
 
Will these flat car and gondola kits be available again? I do not recall an announcement for the original releases and I’ve been on this list for nearly 20 years. 
 
I hope to visit the Chattanooga facilities someday soon as I’m just a couple hours up the road.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
 
The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern
 
I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.
 
The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)
 
The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.
 
Ike
 
 
<Sou_116177_fm_web.jpg>


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Jim King
 

A bit of kit manufacturing history re: this flat car.  I designed and produced this kit and it’s “brother” (composite gon) using SRHA Archives drawings and photos.  The flat car was an exclusive for the SRHA; the gon was sold thru the SMMW line.  When I decided to sell the HO product line to Wright Trak 6 years ago, SRHA granted permission to move the production rights to Gary with the sale.  The composite gon was not a good seller and never rerun by me.  Based on Gary’s web site, less than half of the kit patterns I sold him are available as kits (some of them have been “replaced” by RTR, such as the waffle box, Silver Side gon and B&O M53).

 

The flat, composite and steel gons were also produced in S as part of the Smoky Mtn line; the flat and composite gon were later upscaled to O but the steel gon remains “to do”.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/9/2018 8:42 AM, paul.doggett2472 via Groups.Io wrote:
So did I very poor service.

    I find it interesting that some (very few) small companies do not go out of their way to sell to their main customers.  It only takes a few complaints to not help them. 

    I'm finding this out with some contractors also.  I got burnt by one a few weeks ago and I just can't seem to find enough people to tell about it;-)!

-- 
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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

So did I very poor service.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


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On Monday, July 9, 2018, 4:27 pm, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:

Sad to say I had a similar experience with Wright Trak.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2018-07-09 10:50, Eric Hansmann wrote:

I’d rather purchase through the society or a vendor as I had a miserable Wright Trak kit ordering and fulfillment experience years ago. Never again.


Re: Universal vertical brake wheel - was UP F-50-11 brake wheel and trucks (HO)

Peter Ness
 

OK, I honestly have to admit I did not need information on Universal Vertical Brake Wheels until 2018! I'm preparing for a build of Hew Haven 17500-series TOFC flats using Chad Boas' kit.  So, now I need to know; Can anyone share with me drawings of the three Universal Vertical Brake Wheels from Gene Green's NMRA 2000 clinic to help me make an informed decision? IF this happens to be posted in either File or Photo sections on the io site, just let me know and I will begin the hunt. 

Regards,
Peter


Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Douglas Harding
 

Jim once source of information about poultry cars is:
http://www.hoosiervalley.org/photos/historic-railroad-photos/live-poultry-ca
rs/ and http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/
In the early years there were many different designs for these cars. But the
Live Poultry Transit car (1893) became the standard, until the Palace
Poultry car came into being in 1924. It would appear these cars came
equipped with crates, and birds were place in the crates by hand, thus
allowing the farmer to take his own crates back home for the next load.
Photo attached showing the interior of a poultry car (Brookport 1700).

As Steve indicted, most poultry cars were designed to contain crates stacked
from floor to ceiling on each side of a center aisle. The car attendance
used that center aisle to place of remove birds, collect eggs, feed and
water, and clean the crates. But not all cars followed this design. I have a
photo that shows a car that appears to be one giant cage, with no internal
structure for holding crates (photo attached). The Continental Poultry car
1890 had stanchions, not shelves, to hold crates in place (see railway
review article attached).

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jim Allen
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

I love these pictures. Are there anymore of other cars out there? Any
plans? What was the layout on the inside of the car?

Jim Allen


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Utah


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the interesting image.
 
Eric wrote: “I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil”
 
From this we can reasonably assume the car has been in service for only a few years at most, correct? During those few years the grabs and stirrups look to have gotten pretty beat up on this car!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 10:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
 

Thank you Ike for the generous shares of photos and detail on these Southern flat cars and gondolas.

 

Attached is an early image of Southern 116177 with a lumber load. I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil. This came from another Pre-Depression Era modeler so I do not know the original source. The original file has been tweaked to improve the contrast and sharpen details.

 

Will these flat car and gondola kits be available again? I do not recall an announcement for the original releases and I’ve been on this list for nearly 20 years.

 

I hope to visit the Chattanooga facilities someday soon as I’m just a couple hours up the road.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern

 

I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.

 

The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)

 

The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.

 

Ike

 

 


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Ian Cranstone
 

Sad to say I had a similar experience with Wright Trak.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2018-07-09 10:50, Eric Hansmann wrote:

I’d rather purchase through the society or a vendor as I had a miserable Wright Trak kit ordering and fulfillment experience years ago. Never again.


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

I’d rather purchase through the society or a vendor as I had a miserable Wright Trak kit ordering and fulfillment experience years ago. Never again.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 9:30 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

I bought 4 from Gary about a year ago.  Give him an email.

 

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I remember them being offered but they were gone pretty quickly IIRC. I would like to find a kit too.

Bill Welch



 

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250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

O Fenton Wells
 

I bought 4 from Gary about a year ago.  Give him an email.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I remember them being offered but they were gone pretty quickly IIRC. I would like to find a kit too.

Bill Welch




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Bill Welch
 

I remember them being offered but they were gone pretty quickly IIRC. I would like to find a kit too.

Bill Welch


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes contact Gary Wright at Wright Trak models and he will be happy to supply your needs.  These cars are interesting as the SR used them for flats, pulpwood racks and gondolas.  Interesting (at least to me) is the the SR did not renumber them when they were used as other than a flat car.Attached are photos of models I have made using the Wright Trak cars purchased from them after I ran out of the old SRHA models I had in inventory.
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Thank you Ike for the generous shares of photos and detail on these Southern flat cars and gondolas.

 

Attached is an early image of Southern 116177 with a lumber load. I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil. This came from another Pre-Depression Era modeler so I do not know the original source. The original file has been tweaked to improve the contrast and sharpen details.

 

Will these flat car and gondola kits be available again? I do not recall an announcement for the original releases and I’ve been on this list for nearly 20 years.

 

I hope to visit the Chattanooga facilities someday soon as I’m just a couple hours up the road.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@....io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern

 

I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.

 

The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)

 

The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.

 

Ike

 

 




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you Ike for the generous shares of photos and detail on these Southern flat cars and gondolas.

 

Attached is an early image of Southern 116177 with a lumber load. I do not know the date but the car sports a NEW stencil. This came from another Pre-Depression Era modeler so I do not know the original source. The original file has been tweaked to improve the contrast and sharpen details.

 

Will these flat car and gondola kits be available again? I do not recall an announcement for the original releases and I’ve been on this list for nearly 20 years.

 

I hope to visit the Chattanooga facilities someday soon as I’m just a couple hours up the road.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 8:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

 

The Southern 117500-117999 series cars were not “converted”, they were built and numbered as gondolas and listed as such in the RERs. Why, after owning many typical 40 ft solid and DDB (double drop bottom) and USRA types, the Southern needed such a low side “gon” is unclear. I do not know if they are still in service but many of the 1920s era flat cars lived on in welded rail trains and MoW service for Norfolk Southern

 

I have attached what I think is the finest “portrait” of an empty flat car I have ever seen. Southern 117733 is from the SRHA collection, taken by David Driscoll at Ruffin, NC 9-14-43.

 

The WrightTrack model of the Southern cars is as accurate a model as can be produced. It is a good example of a historical group making drawings available to model companies that result in high quality models. Both Gary Wright and Jim King have given us resin kits and Exact Rail the spectacular Big John and waffle box cars from SRHA drawings. Every accurate Southern diesel produced in the last fifteen or so years used SRHA stencil drawings. My point is that if manufacturers ask, and historical groups provide drawings, we could see more truly “prototype” models produced. (I won’t “preach” about it here, but too many drawings, historical files and photos are locked away in archives and libraries that do not have the knowledge or interest in doing anything with them but control and ownership. If anyone does not know the story of how the David Salter collection was “hijacked” by one such organization, send me an email and I’ll explain.)

 

The specs and drawings for virtually every Southern purchased freight and passenger car are in the SRHA’s collection in the new TVRM/SRHA archives building in Chattanooga (the archives section of www.srha.net includes a soon to be updated photo tour). The Central of Georgia drawing clerks were unfortunately quite diligent about removing “obsolete” drawings from the files in Savannah but the SRHA CG files are extensive.

 

Ike

 

 


Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Steve SANDIFER
 

The problem with all models I have seen of poultry cars is the inside.
Models make it look like one or two large cages. In truth there are 128
individual cages on most, 8 cages high and 4 cages wide in each quadrant of
the car, with an approximately a 2' aisle down the middle. The car preserved
at St. Louis has a wooden base for each of those cages. I assume it would be
possible to design some etched metal interior fittings to simulate that and
then install 4000 chicken models into those cages.


J. Stephen Sandifer

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jim Allen
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 6:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

I love these pictures. Are there anymore of other cars out there? Any
plans? What was the layout on the inside of the car?

Jim Allen


--
Jim Allen
Utah


Iowa Terminal Flat Car

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

While digitizing my father's Iowa Traction Company slides, I went searching for information on prior owners of their electric motors. I stumbled onto the attached photo of the ex-PRR gun flat car dating from 2001, which as you can see was numbered 30. Note the lack of the tower, which was still present in my father's photo that I previously posted. Nor does the car show a number in his photo.

For the record, the photo comes from Don's Rail Photos and is attributed to John Richards.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿



Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Jim Allen
 

I love these pictures. Are there anymore of other cars out there? Any plans? What was the layout on the inside of the car?

Jim Allen


--
Jim Allen
Utah

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