Not Exactly A Boxcar
The Erie freight car in this photo appears to be some sort of hybrid: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-15-12/Erie_boxhop.jpg Does anyone know what it is and what commodities it carried? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bill,
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In James Kinkaid's SOUTHERN RAILWAY GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT there is a Jim King photo of Southern 51861, a Thrall knock-off of a 53' GSC flat. The car was built in September 1956, and in the photo carries what the Kinaid says is the original paint, FCR with Southern spelled out in railroad roman lettering. He is probably right, as the paint is faded and patched. When we had this conversation back on the old group several years ago, I was told that the GSC flats delivered early in 1954 had the same paint and lettering. I have yet to see a color photo or builder's information that proves this, but see no reason to doubt this was so. I still contend that the nominal 41' flats we've been discussing were black through the early/mid 1950s when the survivors were painted red. This also appears to be true of various black gondolas, of which I have seen color photos. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 7/11/18 11:54 AM, Tim O'Connor
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1945 NP Traffic Received from Connections and Originated
gary laakso
Again from Moody’s Steam Railroads 1946, principal commodities:
There are distortions due to WWII, esp. the automobile category. I clearly need to have more foreign soft coal hoppers.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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GN 1940 Traffic Received from Connections
gary laakso
When I served in the SP Law Dept, I had access to the Moody’s Manuals in the Finance Department and this is the data from one of the Manuals. There is a table on tonnage but this is from the carloadings section:
Originating carloads first followed by carloads received from connections:
*It was 15,397 carloads in 1939, so likely dam construction underway at that time
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Understand totally, I've been the windshield AND the bug many, many times. Fenton
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Jim King
1 of the photos in my kit’s instructions was a slide of a 41’ flat I shot in Lynchburg VA in the mid-80s. It still wore brown paint with small Roman lettering (pre-1958/59). The only difference was a 900000-series MOW number stenciled over the revenue number. It was dwarfed by a Pettibone rubber-tired crane sitting on its deck. This was the basis for suggesting to paint the car “boxcar red”. Not until last year did I find a slide (attached) showing a 41’ car wearing brown paint and an experimental Roman font (see paragraph below). Despite the dirt, the brown clearly shows thru. Combined with the lettering, I’d say this car was painted and stenciled around 1958-59.
I have diesel stenciling diagrams with August 1957 revisions stating the color change from green to black but retaining the small lettering (which was changed when the Tuxedo scheme appeared a few years later). The freight car block font we’re used to seeing didn’t start appearing on freight cars until 1959 with delivery of 4000-series covered hoppers. Silverside gons, built 1960, carried the same style font, just different colors (Vermillion, green, white and black have been documented). Experimental block lettering appeared on cars in 1958-59, easily distinguishable from the final font that appeared in 1959 as noted above.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others
Randy Hees
The "D&RGW" stencil may be a journal "repack" date....
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Fenton, Bill, Folks,
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Thanks… well, at least I haven’t decaled the car or attached the deck yet… back to the paint shop! And that oxide red looked so good on it too :( Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others
Or brake reservoir test ;) The D&RGW would indicate that the D&RGW performed the mandated test or service. That would indicate that the photo was taken within a year of 1-31-47. The date is 1947, not 1942 on the stencil, agreeing with Ray’s 1947 time frame.
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Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others
Ray Breyer
That photo was taken in Stockton California in 1947, near the very tail end of poultry car operations. Given the size and placement of the stencil, I'd suspect that it's a repack or reweigh date and location. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018, 10:47:58 AM CDT, Jim Allen <jimp72@...> wrote:
I have really been enjoying and learning alot from this Poultry thread. I am a D&RGW fan. You posted a picture of a car. I blew it up and was looking closely at it. So here are some more questions. What is written on the car door? Under the door, on
the sill it has something and then a date.... looks like 1-31-42? and under that D&RGW as clear as day. Was that car assigned to the D&RGW? Serviced by D&RGW? Owned by D&RGW? Obviously has some connection to it and or traveled on D&RGW trackage.
Just trying to understand the markings etc. I may just have to model one or two of that car!
Thanks for the help and insight.
Jim Allen
-- Jim Allen Utah
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
I'm not sure the exact date but close or sometime in 1958. Or close to that. Fenton Wells
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Bill
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Southern (CNO&TP) Pullman Standard 70 ton hoppers 281000 to 281299 were delivered in oxide red paint and Roman lettering in 1957. Similar ACF hoppers delivered in 1953 were (I think) painted black. So the change was in the 1950's but I don't know precisely when it happened. I also don't know the date of the change to sans-serif letters. Tim O'Connor
I have always thought that open top Southern freight equipment during the period of this list was black.
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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others
Jim Allen
I have really been enjoying and learning alot from this Poultry thread. I am a D&RGW fan. You posted a picture of a car. I blew it up and was looking closely at it. So here are some more questions. What is written on the car door? Under the door, on
the sill it has something and then a date.... looks like 1-31-42? and under that D&RGW as clear as day. Was that car assigned to the D&RGW? Serviced by D&RGW? Owned by D&RGW? Obviously has some connection to it and or traveled on D&RGW trackage.
Just trying to understand the markings etc. I may just have to model one or two of that car!
Thanks for the help and insight.
Jim Allen
-- Jim Allen Utah
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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others
Jim Allen
How far west do you think these cars went?
Jim
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-- Jim Allen Utah
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
They can't both be. In "outside length" they are listed as 115000 to 116599 were 40ft 11in 116600 to 116849 were 41ft 4in 116850 to 117999 were 42ft 4in Tim O'Connor
Are these two photos from the design being discussed?
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
You might want to check the Red Caboose car. I have never done this as I purchased enough from Gary Wright. But that was where I was going if I couldn't find the resin kits. Some bashing may be in order depending on how close you want to come to the SR car. Fenton Wells
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:52 AM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote: Group, --
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
You are correct Bill. Fenton
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:42 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote: I have always thought that open top Southern freight equipment during the period of this list was black. --
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Let me clarify ;)
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#117644 is COMPOSITE GONDOLA based on the same flat car as the series being discussed.
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Bill,
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Nope.
#117644 is a later class that is very similar 41’6” flat
#115848 is an earlier 40’ car. Note that the sill steps are attached to the side and not the bottom of the sill
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions
Bill Welch
I have always thought that open top Southern freight equipment during the period of this list was black.
Bill Welch
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