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Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/12/2018 9:52 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:
Attached is a photo of a Pacific Wholesale car that was based in Petaluma CA

    I going to take a SWAG on the paint but it sure looks silver to me:-\!

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Re: Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Paul Doggett
 

Bill

Thank you glad it has spurred you on.

Paul

On 12 Jul 2018, at 19:01, Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Paul,

Very nice!

I think I might have this kit on the shelf. Your great efforts have pushed the “button” to get started on another project. One to add to the seven already in process. Also my LHS has just called to tell me that some detail parts that have been on order for a good deal of time have finally arrive. Add three more projects to the workbench. Oh. Now I have to order and assemble a supply of Sergent couplers. It is going to be a busy summer. ;-)

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi chaps

I have just finished a Sunshine Rebuilt USRA Frisco gondola, I must say the decals were not great. The load is white metal face shovel buckets to add weight as I don’t like stuffing lead everywhere.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



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Re: Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Bill Keene
 

Paul,

Very nice!

I think I might have this kit on the shelf. Your great efforts have pushed the “button” to get started on another project. One to add to the seven already in process. Also my LHS has just called to tell me that some detail parts that have been on order for a good deal of time have finally arrive. Add three more projects to the workbench. Oh. Now I have to order and assemble a supply of Sergent couplers. It is going to be a busy summer. ;-)

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi chaps

I have just finished a Sunshine Rebuilt USRA Frisco gondola, I must say the decals were not great. The load is white metal face shovel buckets to add weight as I don’t like stuffing lead everywhere.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿



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Re: NYS&W 40' Boxcars

Eric Lombard
 

Chuck Davis writes:

"I'm interested in the number of cars in the series, acquisition and disposal dates."

No information from shop cards, Chuck, but I can provide data gleaned from the ORER and photographs:
1964(7)      ...  Not listed in ORER.
1964     24  RENO out of combined LV 5000-5699, 2nd.
          Reweigh dates seen in photos: 7-1964, 12-1964.
1964(10)     24
1965(1)     24
1968(1)     24
1972(1)     24
1976(4)     24
1977(1)     24
1978(1)     24
1978(7)     24
1979(1)      ...  Not listed in ORER.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Douglas Harding
 

They got pretty far west. Attached is a photo of a Pacific Wholesale car that was based in Petaluma CA, north of San Francisco. Can’t get much further west than that. Petaluma was a major poultry production area serving the San Francisco market. Pacific Wholesale had several cars. Reporting marks were around until Oct 1954.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

 

I have photos of poultry cars in Dodge City, KS, Seligman, AZ, and Ft. Madison, IA on the ATSF.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Allen
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

 

How far west do you think these cars went?

 

Jim

 

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Elden.

Paul Doggett

On 12 Jul 2018, at 17:40, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Nice job, Paul!

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:18 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Hi chaps

I have just finished a Sunshine Rebuilt USRA Frisco gondola, I must say the decals were not great. The load is white metal face shovel buckets to add weight as I don’t like stuffing lead everywhere.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿






Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Paul!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:18 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Hi chaps

I have just finished a Sunshine Rebuilt USRA Frisco gondola, I must say the decals were not great. The load is white metal face shovel buckets to add weight as I don’t like stuffing lead everywhere.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have photos of poultry cars in Dodge City, KS, Seligman, AZ, and Ft. Madison, IA on the ATSF.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Allen
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 5:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars: LPT 1023, PTC 1461 & Others

 

How far west do you think these cars went?

 

Jim

 

Sent from my LG Escape2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


--
Jim Allen
Utah


Frisco Rebuilt USRA gondola

Paul Doggett
 

Hi chaps

I have just finished a Sunshine Rebuilt USRA Frisco gondola, I must say the decals were not great. The load is white metal face shovel buckets to add weight as I don’t like stuffing lead everywhere.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Not Exactly A Boxcar

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

It is rather tall for a car used for tunnel inspection. nor is there any access to the roof except the standard ladders  at the corners. The roof walks covering the entire roof certainly suggest an inspection car, but there is not much headroom for the inspectors, unless they lie flat on their backs.

John C. La Rue, jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2018 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Not Exactly A Boxcar

Ben and Bob,

On some railroads this was called a "jumbo car". As the legend on the Erie car implies, it was used in tunnel maintenance in a way that was similar to tower cars from which overhead wires were repaired on electrified railroads.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 7/11/18 7:54 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Bob Chaparro asked:
"The Erie freight car in this photo appears to be some sort of hybrid:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-15-12/Erie_boxhop.jpg
Does anyone know what it is and what commodities it carried?"

Looks like it was originally a 65000-series automobile boxcar:

Here's a better photo of this car, stenciled as a "M&W Tunnel & Scaling Car".  Clearly NOT a "boxcar-hopper".


Ben Hom


NYS&W 40' Boxcars

Layout Tour
 

Does anyone have a shop card for the New York, Susquehanna & Western 40' boxcars which includes cars 507 and 508 which they could send me?  These were the ex-Lehigh Valley cars.  I'm interested in the number of cars in the series, acquisition and disposal dates.  Thanks.

Chuck Davis
Norfolk VA


Any prototypes for a 40-foot 10 Rib 11panel gon with Murphy ends?

Bill Welch
 

Years ago when Accurail came out w/their 40-foot AAR gondola I bought two Undecorated kits. One became the attached Georgia gon using Detail Assoc.'s  Improved Dreadnaught ends. Now with the Litchfield & Madison Kit-bash Clinic at the upcoming Collinsville RPM meet next week I will end up with a surplus pair of Murphy ends w/six ribs from the Intermountain USRA gon kit used to model the L&M car. So now I am wondering if the were any 10-rib 11-panel steel gons that used a Murphy ends that can be done simply fitting the ends to the body without any mods to the body itself?

Bill Welch


Re: Not Exactly A Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ben and Bob,

On some railroads this was called a "jumbo car". As the legend on the Erie car implies, it was used in tunnel maintenance in a way that was similar to tower cars from which overhead wires were repaired on electrified railroads.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 7/11/18 7:54 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Bob Chaparro asked:
"The Erie freight car in this photo appears to be some sort of hybrid:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-15-12/Erie_boxhop.jpg
Does anyone know what it is and what commodities it carried?"

Looks like it was originally a 65000-series automobile boxcar:

Here's a better photo of this car, stenciled as a "M&W Tunnel & Scaling Car".  Clearly NOT a "boxcar-hopper".


Ben Hom
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Re: Not Exactly A Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"The Erie freight car in this photo appears to be some sort of hybrid:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-15-12/Erie_boxhop.jpg
Does anyone know what it is and what commodities it carried?"

Looks like it was originally a 65000-series automobile boxcar:

Here's a better photo of this car, stenciled as a "M&W Tunnel & Scaling Car".  Clearly NOT a "boxcar-hopper".


Ben Hom


Not Exactly A Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

The Erie freight car in this photo appears to be some sort of hybrid:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-01-15-12/Erie_boxhop.jpg

Does anyone know what it is and what commodities it carried?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

In James Kinkaid's SOUTHERN RAILWAY GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT there is a Jim King photo of Southern 51861, a Thrall knock-off of a 53' GSC flat. The car was built in September 1956, and in the photo carries what the Kinaid says is the original paint, FCR with Southern spelled out in railroad roman lettering. He is probably right, as the paint is faded and patched.

When we had this conversation back on the old group several years ago, I was told that the GSC flats delivered early in 1954 had the same paint and lettering. I have yet to see a color photo or builder's information that proves this, but see no reason to doubt this was so.

I still contend that the nominal 41' flats we've been discussing were black through the early/mid 1950s when the survivors were painted red. This also appears to be true of various black gondolas, of which I have seen color photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/11/18 11:54 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Bill

Southern (CNO&TP) Pullman Standard 70 ton hoppers 281000 to 281299 were
delivered in oxide red paint and Roman lettering in 1957. Similar ACF hoppers
delivered in 1953 were (I think) painted black. So the change was in the
1950's but I don't know precisely when it happened. I also don't know the
date of the change to sans-serif letters.

Tim O'Connor



I have always thought that open top Southern freight equipment during the period of this list was black.
Bill Welch


1945 NP Traffic Received from Connections and Originated

gary laakso
 

Again from Moody’s  Steam Railroads 1946, principal commodities:

 

 

  1. Wheat:                                       53,132 carloadings originating on NP and 2,735 carloadings received from connections
  2. Apples, fresh:                              8,126 and 646 received
  3. Potatoes, other than sweet:  10,825 and 1,783 received
  4. Cattle and calves:                     17,616 and 2,357 received
  5. Soft coal:                                    24,721 and 50,568 received
  6. Logs:                                           66,618 4,902 received
  7. Lumber, shingles and laths:    43,851 and 29,721 received
  8. Petrol, oils refined etc.:             8,350 and 12,815 received
  9. Automobiles (passenger):            115 and 496 received
  10. Canned food products:             8,327 and 6,292 received
  11. Sugar (beet or cane):                1,871 and 728 received
  12. Iron & Steel 5th class:               4,174 and8,370 received
  13. Cement, natural or Port.         3,553 and 2,804 received and
  14. Veneer and built-up wood:     3,901 and 90 received.

 

  There are distortions due to WWII, esp. the automobile category.  I clearly need to have more foreign soft coal hoppers. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock  


GN 1940 Traffic Received from Connections

gary laakso
 

When I served in the SP Law Dept, I had access to the Moody’s Manuals in the Finance Department and this is the data from one of the Manuals.  There is a table on tonnage but this is from the carloadings section:

 

Originating carloads first followed by carloads received from connections:

 

  1. Wheat:                                    47,416 carloads originated and 2,396 received from connections
  2. Flour Wheat:                          12,946 originated and 1,301 received
  3.  Apples, fresh:                       14,588 and 540 received
  4. Potatoes other than sweet: 24,346 and 1,883 received
  5. Cattle and calves:                    8,852 and 1,649 received
  6. Soft coal:                                10,717 and 43,042 received
  7. Iron ore:                               305,488 and 13,380 received
  8. Lumber, Shingles and laths: 37,878 and 25,062 received
  9. Petrol, oils , refined etc.:      27,878 and 14,680 received
  10. Automobiles (passenger):       1,508 and 8,834 received
  11. Sugar (cane and beet):            1,838 and 1,028 received
  12. Fuel, road & pet res. Oils:       4,929 and 5,403 received
  13. Beverages:                                 1,157 and 2,706 received
  14. Canned food products:            1,868 and 3,089 received
  15. Cement, nat. or Portland:        9,971 and 3,940 received
  16. Gravel and Sand:                       5,101 and 72 received*
  17. Barley and rye:                       12,228 and 308 received. 

 

       *It was 15,397 carloads in 1939, so likely dam construction underway at that time

 

   Gary Laakso

   Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

O Fenton Wells
 

Understand totally, I've been the windshield AND the bug many, many times.
Fenton

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Fenton, Bill, Folks,

Thanks… well, at least I haven’t decaled the car or attached the deck yet… back to the paint shop!  And that oxide red looked so good on it too :(

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 11, 2018, at 10:10 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

You are correct Bill.
Fenton

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:42 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I have always thought that open top Southern freight equipment during the period of this list was black.

Bill Welch




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Re: SOUTHERN 41'6" flat car questions

Jim King
 

1 of the photos in my kit’s instructions was a slide of a 41’ flat I shot in Lynchburg VA in the mid-80s.  It still wore brown paint with small Roman lettering (pre-1958/59).  The only difference was a 900000-series MOW number stenciled over the revenue number.  It was dwarfed by a Pettibone rubber-tired crane sitting on its deck.  This was the basis for suggesting to paint the car “boxcar red”.  Not until last year did I find a slide (attached) showing a 41’ car wearing brown paint and an experimental Roman font (see paragraph below).  Despite the dirt, the brown clearly shows thru.  Combined with the lettering, I’d say this car was painted and stenciled around 1958-59.

 

I have diesel stenciling diagrams with August 1957 revisions stating the color change from green to black but retaining the small lettering (which was changed when the Tuxedo scheme appeared a few years later).  The freight car block font we’re used to seeing didn’t start appearing on freight cars until 1959 with delivery of 4000-series covered hoppers.  Silverside gons, built 1960, carried the same style font, just different colors (Vermillion, green, white and black have been documented).  Experimental block lettering appeared on cars in 1958-59, easily distinguishable from the final font that appeared in 1959 as noted above.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

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