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Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 02:33 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
Is this the wheel you have tooled?
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uDcAAOSw0d9bQ38Y/s-l1600.jpg

Certainly looks like it, although we couldn't do the drain holes in the rim.

Dennis Storzek


Re: 3 new CP flat cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/14/2018 2:32 PM, John Riddell wrote:
Black Cat sells decal lettering for CP flats.

    Didn't find any for the 36' car!

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Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Dennis, will the NYC brake wheel be available as a separate part?
No, unfortunately not, its part of the 36' floor, underframe and detail parts group.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Lester Breuer
 

Bill, one of the Cal-Scale brake wheeel sets, 190-289, in photo attached.  Other sets are Kadee and Grandt Line.
Lester Breuer


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

 

Damn that new feebay system




Dan Smith


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

 


Re: 3 new CP flat cars

John Riddell
 

The 36' CP flats were number series CP 310000-311348. Built 1912 to 1915. Some 1,187 cars. 
The 42' CP flats were number series CP 335000-336559. Built 1919 to 1929. Some 1,548 cars.
The 46' CP flats were number series CP 300000-300499. Built by CC&F in 1929. 500 cars.

Black Cat sells decal lettering for CP flats.

John Riddell 


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Dave Parker
 

If you go back to the good old (stemwinder) days, there is some evidence to be had in the CBCs, and all of the pre-1920 editions are available for free on-line (and the 1922 edition is/was available from Taplines).  Interestingly, there are if anything more examples of lever-type handbrakes:  Miner, Blackall, and at least four others.  You can also see examples of the tilt-down hand brakes that were used on some drop-end gondolas.

As for horizontal brake wheels, there are a few examples from National Malleable and Dayton Malleable.  Just guessing, but I would bet there were other manufactures as well, but advertising in the CBCs was after all optional, and not all products of the day can be found there.  

My 1931 CBC contains even more diversity, as there is now even more emphasis on power hand brakes, including the horizontal wheel type that Gene mentions.

And throughout, there are several examples of wheels attached to square shafts, although sometimes the squareness does not extend beyond the point of the wheel attachment.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

It is quite likely, if we go back far enough, that railroads made their own hand brake parts.  I have no evidence one way or the other but we all know most railroads had the ability to make malleable castings.  By the way, curved spokes and 'dished' wheels were less an attempt to be aesthetically pleasing and much  more concerned with solving some of the problems involved in making such castings.
Gene Green


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

The Kadee hand wheel might be a stand-in for Superior/GATX tank cars.  It is klunky.  It goes way back.
Gene Green


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I do not have access to Bowser/Cal-Scale parts.  Hence, can not comment.  If someone posts photos . . .
Gene Green


Re: 3 new CP flat cars

Chad Boas
 

Here is a quick photo of the cars.
Chad


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Eric Hansmann
 

And there were a few others. Below is a lost of HO scale plastic models that feature a horizontal brake wheel on one or more version of the model. In at least one case, I don't think the parts are available. The Accurail part has been noted so it was not included on this list. My apologies for repeated info.


Proto2000 Mather box car and stock car - powered gearbox, but the wheel was horizontal

Proto2000 AC&F tank cars

Intermountain Caswell gondolas

Intermountain Santa Fe Stock car

Intermountain/Red Caboose ARA 1923 Proposed Standard steel-sheathed boxcar/X29

Intermountain/Red Caboose Mather reefer (tooling gone?)

Intermountain/Red Caboose USRA flat car

Intermountain/Red Caboose SP stock car

Several Bowser models (GS, GLa, H21)

MDC/Roundhouse old time kits

Atlas/Branchline AC&F reefers

Atlas meat reefers

MTH USRA hopper and reefer

Owl Mountain SP flat

Rapido NP boxcar (coming soon)

Tangent GATX tank cars

Walthers/Mainline USRA mill gon


Modeling 1926 offers regular insight to the models with horizontal brake wheels.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On July 14, 2018 at 1:28 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

This is very helpful Gene. I think I may have some of the Precision Scale parts and I will photograph them and post here. I did forget Grandt Line and Cal-Scale. Dennis, will the NYC brake wheel be available as a separate part?

Also I forgot about the Brake Wheel that InterMountain includes with their Type 27 ACF tank car. Gene, Dan, anyone, were the actual brake wheels used with flat cars and tank cars different than those used on reefers and boxcars.

Seems like there is a lot to be explored here.

Bill Welch




Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Bill Welch
 

Here are screen grabs of Cal-Scale parts, if anyone has these and a camera, can you please post them here?

Bill Welch


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Bill Keene
 

Hello group,

Yup! Those Kadee disconnect log case have been around a really loooooong time. I remember building these kits on my dormitory study desk back in the mid-1960s when I was a freshman at Rutgers. And, YES, that was a very long time ago.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

Weren't the Kadee metal brake wheels done for their disconnect log cars? They've been around a LONG time.

Tom Madden


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Tom Madden
 

Weren't the Kadee metal brake wheels done for their disconnect log cars? They've been around a LONG time.

Tom Madden


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Bill Welch
 

This is very helpful Gene. I think I may have some of the Precision Scale parts and I will photograph them and post here. I did forget Grandt Line and Cal-Scale. Dennis, will the NYC brake wheel be available as a separate part?

Also I forgot about the Brake Wheel that InterMountain includes with their Type 27 ACF tank car. Gene, Dan, anyone, were the actual brake wheels used with flat cars and tank cars different than those used on reefers and boxcars.

Seems like there is a lot to be explored here.

Bill Welch


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Bill Welch
 

I have seen the Kadee part and to me is is very clunky, not fine at all.

Bill Welch


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Dennis Storzek
 

Nobody has mentioned Grandt Line, which made two or three excellent brake wheels. Don't know what their prototypes were, but I'm sure they had prototypes, as Cliff likely acquired samples when he developed the parts.

Accurail just recently tooled a NYC 15" brake wheel directly from the NYC drawing. Back when a hand brake was nothing more than a wheel, ratchet, shaft, and chain. The wheel could be a railroad specific design, supplied by the car builder.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Andy Cich
 

Kadee makes this one:

 

https://kadee.com/htmbord/page440.htm

 

 

Andy Cich

 

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