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Re: This Weekend: 2018 St. Louis RPM Meet

Bill Welch
 

Disappointed that I do not see Funaro & Camerlengo on the list of venders. I have been wanting a couple of things and enjoy dealing directly and chatting with them. I hope everything is okay with them.

Bill Welch


This Weekend: 2018 St. Louis RPM Meet

golden1014
 

Hi Friends,

We're looking forward to seeing you in Collinsville, Illinois this weekend for St. Louis RPM!

Meet up with friends and fellow railroad modelers at the nation's largest railroad prototype modeler's event.  St. Louis RPM 2018 features 23 clinics and 7 hands-on presentations, 120 tables of hand-picked, scale model vendors, 2 kitbash clinics, modular layouts in-house, 16 railroad historical societies, hands-on learning stations and exhibitors, home layout tours, evening social events, and the largest attendee model display in the nation.  All this and more in the modern, professional Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois, just 15 minutes east of metro St. Louis.

A last-minute update: John Green's 6-3 Sleeper hands-on kitbash clinic will happen on Friday a 2:15.  Cost is only $15 and you'll need to bring a sprue nippers and a hobby knife.  If you don't bring one, our tool vendors will have some available.

Our clinic schedule is attached.  

Want more info?  Check out our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm for flyers, photos and details, or contact Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@... or John Golden at Golden1014@....  You can also simply Google St. Louis RPM and read all about it. 

For up-to-the-minute meet details, read on!

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Your Models!
STL RPM is a modeler's meet, and the heart of our event is Your Models.  Bring your models--one or a hundred--for our huge model display.  There are No contest or awards.  Bring your models to meet new friends, display and teach your work, and learn from your fellow friends and modelers.  We have a whopping 80 full 8 x 2-1/2-foot tables set aside for models this year so bring 'em!  Rolling stock, structures, modules, dioramas, and everything related to railroad modeling--in any scale or gauge--is welcome.  Displaying your models is easy, free and safe.  We want to set a mark of 5,000 models so bring them along and take part in the big event.

Vendors
Vendors are a very important part of our event.  We'll have 120 tables of hand-picked, scale model vendors waiting for you.  In addition to offering the latest products, our vendors are coming to meet you and talk to you about your ideas and new products.  This year's lineup includes Tangent Scale Models, Speedwitch, Intermountain, ExactRail, Yarmouth, Kadee, Bluford Shops, Protocraft, Rapido, Rails Unlimited, Mask Island Hobbies, Plano, Bethlehem Car Works, Central Valley, Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply, SoundTraxx, ScaleTrains, Badger, Cannon & Co., Custom Finishing, Chad Boas/Model Railroad Supply, Modern O Scale, Mood Dog Rail Cars, OST Publications, Rocket Express, Q Connection, Spring Creek Hobbies, Classic Trains and Ferraris (the guy with all the Sunshine kits), Arrowhead Models, and more.  Is Iowa Scaled Engineering coming?  You bet--and they're bringing their complete line including the much-talked-about Proto-Throttle, so be sure to pull up a chair and check it out.  We've got a big lineup of photo dealers as well, including Bob's Photos, Mainline Photos, Jim Shaw Photos, and John Fuller from Historical Rail Photos. Our vendors spend a lot of time and money to get to St. Louis so please be sure to tell them thanks! 

Hands-On Learning Stations
We've got a lot of cool hands-on exhibitors lined up this year.  Jack Burgess will host a clinic on 3D castings and then will be on the ballroom floor with his CNC machine showing you how to make 3D castings.  Jeff Otto of Oak Hill Model Railroad Supply will be on hand laying turnouts, so be sure to sit with Jeff and learn how to hand-lay your own turnouts.  And finally, Dave Schroedle and the boys from The Weathering Shop are teaming up to provide hands-on learning stations for you to try weathering with powders and other media.  Bring your models, or buy them at the meet, and sit down with the guys and learn some new weathering techniques from the experts.

Hands-On Kitbash Clinics
We have not one but two HO model-building clinics this year.  Ted Culotta of Speedwitch will provide an HO scale freight car model, resin parts, decals, and a special clinic, all designed to discuss the prototype and how to kitbash it.  You can sign up to attend Ted's kitbash clinic online starting on June 15th at http://speedwitchmedia.com/  Our second clinic is being hosted by John Greene of Bethelehem Car Works.  John will provide a clinic and for $15 John will provide a 6-3 sleeper and parts for a unique kitbash.  Bring a sprue nippers and a hobby knife for this one--you'll be doing a lot of work!  Sign up for John's clinic will be available at the font entrance.

Clinics
STL RPM 2018 will feature 23 clinics, all of them about the prototype and how to model it.  Bob Rivard, Jack Burgess, Jim Dufour, Ted Culotta, Mont Switzer, Brian Banna, Dan Holbrook, David Lehlbach, Trevor Marshall, Randy Laframboise, Tim VanMersbergen, Steve Hile, John Greene and Bill Welch highlight our list.  Clinics and presentations run from 9:30 to 5:00 on both Friday and Saturday.  Our Friday Night Pizza Party and Slide Show is hosted by railroad pro Dan Holbrook.

1/87 Vehicles Group
Bob Johnson and the world-famous 1/87 Vehicle Group will attend this year with a whole lot of models and special vehicle vendors to help power up your HO scale vehicle modeling.  Vendors including Zycon Models and Lonestar Models, plus a couple others we're still working on, will be in attendance. 

Layouts
New this year, the Ohio Valley Sipping and Switching Society's HO scale modular layout will be in house , alongside Jim Canters awesome Proto48 Nickel Plate modular layout.  Home layout tours are available on Friday evening.  This year we're featuring southwest county layouts by John Schindler, Bob Brady and Mike Wise.  Home layouts are available for registered guests only.  More information, maps and schedules will be available at registration.

Railroad Historical Societies
16 railroad historical societies, representing the Missouri Pacific, New York Central, C&EI, CNW, L&N, Nickel Plate, Wabash, CB&Q, GM&O, Illinois Terminal, and the Terminal Railroad Association will be here, along with the National Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, and maybe a few late surprises too.  The MoPac Society is hosting their annual Railroad Historical Society Meeting on Friday evening.  All officers and officials of all railroad historical societies are welcome.  Details on the Historical Society meeting will be available at the meet. 

Door Prizes
Want door prizes?  Our ridiculous, never-ending door prize giveaway will happen on Saturday evening.

Socials
The party starts on Thursday evening, July 19th.  Meet us at Bandana's BBQ on 4 Commerce Drive in Collinsville for our annual and totally unofficial BBQ social and BS session.  It's always packed so get there early.  Then it's off to the DoubleTree for more eats and more BSing led by our Chief St. Louis RPM BS-er, Mr. Lonnie Bathurst.  On Saturday evening after the Historical Society meeting, Lonnie Bathurst hosts the PowerPoint and Pizza Party, with pizza, beer and BS-ing at the convention center followed by John Kohlberg's ICG presentation.  Later that night, meet Lonnie and Dave at the DoubleTree for a nightcap and more BS-ing.

Hotels
Hotels are on your own.  Our featured hotel is the DoubleTree next door to the convention center, which can be found online at http://doubletree3.hilton.com/en/hotels/illinois/doubletree-by-hilton-hotel-collinsville-st-louis-STLCNDT/index.html.  We've got a special rate there for RPM attendees--just call and tell them you want the "RPM Rate".  Other area hotels are also offering RPM rates, so be sure to ask when registering.

St. Louis Attractions
The Cardinals aren't in town, but come early anyway and visit the awesome National Museum of Transportation http://transportmuseumassociation.org/, the John Barriger National Railroad Library http://www.umsl.edu/mercantile/barriger/index.html and take in some of St. Louis's wonderful attractions like the Missouri Botanical Garden, the Gateway Arch National Park, the St. Louis Zoo, Six Flags, and some great shopping.

Don't stay home, man--BRING YOUR MODELS and be part of the big event.  All this for just 25 bucks. 

We are grateful to our partners, the Gateway Division, NMRA, for helping us make this happen. 

Note To Self:
BRING YOUR MODELS!

Questions? 
Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... or Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@....

See you in St. Louis!  
 
Signed, The St. Louis RPM Crew:
Dave Roeder
Brian McQuitty
Mark Lewis
Jeff Kuebler
Lonnie Bathurst
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden

P.S. BRING YOUR MODELS!


St Louis/Collinsville RPM

Bill Welch
 

Unsure why this has not appeared here as yet but attached is Schedule. Frustrated I cannot clone myself to see the Oil Dealership presentation.

Bill Welch


Re: Poultry Car videos

rwitt_2000
 

I can only get a low resolution one.

Bob Witt


Ride from St.Louis Lambert airport needed

Jared Harper
 

I will be flying into St. Louis-Lambert airport about 1:00 p.m. on Thursday.  Is anyone arriving about the same time with whom I can share a ride to the Super 8 Hotel in Collinsville down the street from the venue?  I need to get back to the airport on Sunday for my 7:25 a.m flight.  Thanks!

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Poultry Car videos

Armand Premo
 

omg ,enough already


On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM frograbbit602 via Groups.Io <frograbbit602=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Doug Thank You for sharing the poultry video sites.   The view of the cages is really neat.  Were you able to get a individual photo of the “Tango” car in the second site?  I tried; however, failed.
Lester Breuer




Re: Poultry Car videos

frograbbit602
 

Doug Thank You for sharing the poultry video sites. The view of the cages is really neat. Were you able to get a individual photo of the “Tango” car in the second site? I tried; however, failed.
Lester Breuer


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Rob, my Optivisor has a pair of 3.5x lenses. I think it is cataloged as their #10. The Tichy Turnbuckles are already cored and the 0.012 wire fits well. I first use a small amount of Testors to position it on the end of the wire and after this has firmed up a little then I apply a small amount of CA with my applicator, an Insect Pin.

Attached is my only effort that I recall so far with a Slack Adjuster, it is on my model of Pullman built Monon #37. The bracket is a gift from friend George Toman. Not all railroads used these devices.

Bill Welch


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Robert kirkham
 

So I suspect I know the answer to this question, but just how much magnification do you need to do this kind of work?  And what jigs to drill the small holes in parts for each “pipe”. 

 

Taking the time is one thing, but just getting the tools to bite in the right location and make useful holes . . .   Looks like quite the challenge.  All hand work, or using a rotary tool?

 

Love what you are accomplishing Bill!

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:20 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

 

When assembling the brake system on a house car my goal is to make it look accurate when viewed from the side and take as a given it is always in shadow. I want to be able to "see through" places where there should be daylight like the chain links, rods, and clevices and that components are generally the correct shape and in the correct place. When viewed from the bottom of the car I don't much care how it looks.

Here are photos of the "AB" brake system on my Wabash WE car, all pretty typical for the way I do things. I do not routinely install a train line but on a whim I did here. I could not find my .015 styrene rod so I used .020. Because of the way I pin the chain to the brake lever and my use of shaved down Tichy turnbuckles as clevices I like using .010 x .060 strip styrene to make the two brake levers so I can use Tester's or Tamiya to secure the clevices and levers together. I chose to use the kit's brake cylinder, reservoir, and AB Valve to which I attached a Tichy Dirt Collector, a part I only recently started installing. I use .012 brass wire for the rods and coincidentally the Tichy turnbuckles are cored for .012 wire. After taking the photos I realized I have not attached NBWs to the Reservoir to make it appear it is bolted in place. I will do this w/Tichy NBWs. While I like the way my chain droops I think I need 2-3 fewer links.

Please let me know if you have questions.

Bill Welch


Re: Freight Car Reference Manual and ACF built Late IDE 40' boxcars

Dave Bayless
 

Thank you Ben, this reference is a winner. There are a couple of cars I can model with the Accurail kit without kitbashing like the Doo and CB&Q cars. And the CB&Q cars would have logically ended up with BN paint. Wonderful source and thank you Ed Hawkins.
Dave SilverStreak Bayless

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Benjamin Hom
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 12:40 PM
Cc:
Subject:Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Car Reference Manual and ACF built Late IDE 40' boxcars

Dave Bayless asked:
"2nd has to do with ACF built 40-foot boxcars with the late Improved [R+3/4] [D]readnaught ends and overhanging diagonal panel roofs.  I have some Accurail cars with these details plus 10 panel riveted sides and 6’ Youngstown doors. Since the doors are cast into the sides they are not the easiest to remove and replace with a 7 or 8-foot door.  The sidesill could be replaced if necessary. I would like to find some photos to work from or especially like to find the prototype for Accurail’s car if possible, (if there is one). Perhaps Dennis Storz[e]k can chime in. I believe Accurail took the Front Range cars and cast new 10-panel riveted sides with 6’ doors. Any help would be appreciated."

This spreadsheet compiled by Ed Hawkins should get you started:


Ben Hom



Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

steve_wintner
 

I can see the second attempt Dennis.


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Dennis Storzek
 

Well, let me try this again. I did this one right after the brake wheel, but did have some trouble... Here goes again:


Re: Freight Car Reference Manual and ACF built Late IDE 40' boxcars

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Bayless asked:
"2nd has to do with ACF built 40-foot boxcars with the late Improved [R+3/4] [D]readnaught ends and overhanging diagonal panel roofs.  I have some Accurail cars with these details plus 10 panel riveted sides and 6’ Youngstown doors. Since the doors are cast into the sides they are not the easiest to remove and replace with a 7 or 8-foot door.  The sidesill could be replaced if necessary. I would like to find some photos to work from or especially like to find the prototype for Accurail’s car if possible, (if there is one). Perhaps Dennis Storz[e]k can chime in. I believe Accurail took the Front Range cars and cast new 10-panel riveted sides with 6’ doors. Any help would be appreciated."

This spreadsheet compiled by Ed Hawkins should get you started:


Ben Hom



Re: Freight Car Reference Manual and ACF built Late IDE 40' boxcars

Dave Bayless
 

 

_Hi Everyone:

Really enjoying the freight cars conversations but have two questions:

1st is does anyone know where I can get a copy of Speedwitch Media’s Steam Era Freight Cars Manual volume 3, (Reefers)? I have looked everywhere without luck and Speedwitch Media is out of stock.

 

2nd has to do with ACF built 40-foot boxcars with the late Improved 4-3+R dreadnaught ends and overhanging diagonal panel roofs.  I have some Accurail cars with these details plus 10 panel riveted sides and 6’ Youngstown doors. Since the doors are cast into the sides they are not the easiest to remove and replace with a 7 or 8-foot door.  The sidesill could be replaced if necessary. I would like to find some photos to work from or especially like to find the prototype for Accurail’s car if possible, (if there is one). Perhaps Dennis Storzik can chime in. I believe Accurail took the Front Range cars and cast new 10-panel riveted sides with 6’ doors. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Dave SilverStreak Bayless


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Nothing came through on the email and the most recent photo attachment on the website is the brake wheel drawing.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 09:18 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Two questions Dennis, was there supposed to be an attachment illustrating your point?
The embedded drawing didn't come through? I don't read the list via e-mail, and the images show up just fine on the group web page. Check and see if you don't have a file named "Brake Lever Falcrum.jpg. in your embedded folder. If not, let me know and I can attach this drawing and the brake wheel to an e-mail.
What does what you describe look like when viewed in profile in the darkness of the underside of a car?
It looks like the strap shown wrapped under the end of the lever, eith the end of the pin sticking out, no nut. From the side it's not obvious if it's directly under the sill rather than a bit to the side.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 09:18 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Two questions Dennis, was there supposed to be an attachment illustrating your point?
The embedded drawing didn't come through? I don't read the list via e-mail, and the images show up just fine on the group web page. Check and see if you don't have a file named "Brake Lever Falcrum.jpg. in your embedded folder. If not, let me know and I can attach this drawing and the brake wheel to an e-mail.
What does what you describe look like when viewed in profile in the darkness of the underside of a car?
It looks like the strap shown wrapped under the end of the lever, eith the end of the pin sticking out, no nut. From the side it's not obvious if it's directly under the sill rather than a bit to the side.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Bill Welch
 

Two questions Dennis, was there supposed to be an attachment illustrating your point?

What does what you describe look like when viewed in profile in the darkness of the underside of a car?

Bill Welch


Poultry Car videos

Douglas Harding
 

Per our discussion about Poultry Cars, I found the following video clips.

 

Here is a link to a short video clip taken inside a poultry car. Gives the clearest image I’ve seen on the cages and how the birds were handled. From the 1920s.

https://www.shutterstock.com/video//clip-18345544-stock-footage-train-cars-with-live-chickens-are-shrouded-for-bad-weather-and-a-poultry-market-in-new-york-city-in.html

 

Here is another part of the video.

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-18345622-usda-inspector-inspects-chickens-before-giving-caretaker

 

And yet another video showing poultry cars.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/ready-to-smash-poultry-racketeers-wv-railroad-yards-in-news-footage/531220128

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Five

Dennis Storzek
 

Bill, 
You've done a wonderful job of replicating the rods, clevises, and chain, but you need to up your game when it comes to the Brake Lever Falcrum, where the floating lever pivot is attached to the center sill. It doesn't just hang on a bolt retained by a square nit :-(

Here is the simplest attachment, from a NYC drawing published in the 1922 CBC. This Hat shaped piece of bar stock rivets to a plate attached to the bottom of the sill, so the lever is supported and the pivot pin has bearing both above and below the lever. The plate normally offsets the pin hole either inside or outside the sill, so the pin can be inserted from above.

The next level of complexity is an elongated carrier with multiple holes, so that slack due to brake shoe wear can be taken up here rather than under the truck, which is harder to reach. Beyond that is the various automatic slack adjusters such as the Royal F.

Dennis Storzek
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Re: Horizontal Brake Wheels highlighting Tichy parts

Dennis Storzek
 

Here is a  NYC drawing of a typical cast brake wheel, from the 1922 CBC but also published earlierNote there are dimensioned sectional views of the rim and spokes. Also note the wheel is shown from the bottom to better show the tapered socket for the staff, so the spokes should spiral the opposite direction when looking down on the car.