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Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

golden1014
 

That's not a bad idea.  I think it would be interesting if all the RPMs did it--that way we can get some good demographics across the continent.  We have an "RPM Hosts" list on Yahoo--maybe I can get that conversation started and we can come up with a good survey that can be used at all the events.

I would add that St. Louis and a few others, notably BAPM, have always been events for "modern" modelers--which naturally tend to be younger.  There are plenty of geezers there too.

Sorry to drag us off-topic.  Thanks for everyone's kind comments about the St. Louis event.

John Golden

Re: URL for Southwest Scale

Bob Miller
 

I’ll second your motion, Tim.


On Jul 23, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Perhaps we could try to get Dan Hall (the pilot) in contact with Don Tichy - I think
his doors would be an excellent addition to the Tichy product line, and Don is still very
much in business and keeps expanding his line every year. What do you think?

Tim O'Connor



Southwest Scale is owned by a retired airline pilot. He has closed down his shop, and he sometimes ships items for online sales from leftover supply when he is back in the country (He does out of country pilot training for Boeing). I have not received any doors for over three years. He has stated that his tool making days are over, and I think (He has not said this) that the few dollars from selling plastic freight car doors isn't much of an incentive to fill orders.

Most of his remaining doors are Superior panel doors, as most of his Youngstown doors are sold out.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: Seen, heard and purchased at St. Louis/Collinsville 2018 RPM

Robert Heninger
 

I'll just add that Ted had a sample body casting of the C&NW 40' PS-1 autocar body on display, which was very nice. Additionally, Ted had a flyer on his display announcing two new kits - a 50' MILW single sheathed auto boxcar, as well as an SP A-50-11 50' auto boxcar. He told me he hopes to have them available at Chicagoland.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND

Re: URL for Southwest Scale

Tim O'Connor
 


Perhaps we could try to get Dan Hall (the pilot) in contact with Don Tichy - I think
his doors would be an excellent addition to the Tichy product line, and Don is still very
much in business and keeps expanding his line every year. What do you think?

Tim O'Connor



Southwest Scale is owned by a retired airline pilot. He has closed down his shop, and he sometimes ships items for online sales from leftover supply when he is back in the country (He does out of country pilot training for Boeing). I have not received any doors for over three years. He has stated that his tool making days are over, and I think (He has not said this) that the few dollars from selling plastic freight car doors isn't much of an incentive to fill orders.

Most of his remaining doors are Superior panel doors, as most of his Youngstown doors are sold out.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: URL for Southwest Scale

Steve Haas
 

 

>>>> Does anyone have the URL for Southwest Scale Productions, the producer of the HO doors Bill Welch noted in his presentation on on ARA and AAR boxcars at the recent St. Louis RPM? <<<<

 

http://www.southwestscale.com/

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 

Seen, heard and purchased at St. Louis/Collinsville 2018 RPM

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Here is my take on what I saw and heard at the C'ville RPM. Bob's Photo had about 20 binders that he characterized as new photos, both colour and B&W, in addition to his usual array of old milk crates of photos sorted by RR. Yarmouth had his two latest steel boxcars as well as plenty of photo etched parts that I purchased for my stash. It sounds like new items are planned for Lisle and we talked about a proposed project I will do for him. Speedwitch had some new decals, and a preview of their new book by Steve Hile on Union Tank Cars. A consequences of Kadee's doing the early PS-1 is two new running boards—Morton and Gypsum, several new doors and more fabulous brake wheels. Kadee's Sam Clark had a twinkle in his eyes as he showed people the Klasing wheel part, complete with a rim interior featuring curved areas for fingers.

I called Sam the week before C'ville and ask if I could get some tank car parts. These are not in their catalog but he was able to bring me three full platforms—these are a one piece molding— and three running boards. I want to try to use these to improve a couple of Atlas tank cars. One of the running boards had an underframe attached, an unexpected bonus. Funaro & Camerlengo was not there but one of their dealers was and I was able to finally look at and purchase their #8203. This is a Pennsy X26, a USRA SS 50-ton model. Why buy this one instead of Tichy or Westerfield you ask? This is a rebuild of sorts, still wood sheathed but with either Creco or spliced Car Builders doors and a Hutchins roof. Additionally they have "booties" on some of their steel braces to compensate for the rust that often compromised them—very neat. They have other versions of these cars with ladders and/or with Youngstown doors. Photos of these refurbished cars are seen on pages 29-31 of RP CYC #17. The white resin make photographing these difficult but maybe you can see enough to interest you. I have already started building but no more photos until it is primed.

Freight Cars rule,
Bill Welch

URL for Southwest Scale

Andy Carlson
 

Southwest Scale is owned by a retired airline pilot. He has closed down his shop, and he sometimes ships items for online sales from leftover supply when he is back in the country (He does out of country pilot training for Boeing). I have not received any doors for over three years. He has stated that his tool making days are over, and I think (He has not said this) that the few dollars from selling plastic freight car doors isn't much of an incentive to fill orders.

Most of his remaining doors are Superior panel doors, as most of his Youngstown doors are sold out.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] URL for Southwest Scale

Not sure if this is up to date Bob as there are no photos of Dan Hall's Superior doors but maybe if will get you in the door: http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

Bill Welch 
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Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Douglas Harding
 

I took a friend with me, we are both in our early 60s. He had never been to an RPM, and was duly impressed. He was even more amazed at the $25 entry fee, far less than he expected. I remember making the comment this was going to be a $500 weekend, with gas, hotel, meals and a few RR items. I saw some spending much more in the vendor area. Those who bought a plane ticket spent even more just to attend. Think about that for a moment. How many 20 or 30 year olds can spend $500-1000 or more on a weekend jaunt? Unless dad or grandpa is footing the bill?

 

I suspect the reason we see so many “old” modelers at these events is because only those with disposable income can afford to attend. And it is older folks who have disposable income for hobby weekends that involve travel. The crowd on Saturday was much heavier with many locals attending Saturday only, but also many younger attending Saturday only because they had to work on Friday.

 

It was indeed a great event. Learned more about grain dryers than I ever thought possible. And Dan Holbrook’s presentation on Friday night was terrific.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: URL for Southwest Scale

Bill Welch
 

Not sure if this is up to date Bob as there are no photos of Dan Hall's Superior doors but maybe if will get you in the door: http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

Bill Welch 

URL for Southwest Scale

Bob Miller
 

Does anyone have the URL for Southwest Scale Productions, the producer of the HO doors Bill Welch noted in his presentation on on ARA and AAR boxcars at the recent St. Louis RPM?

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I’ve not been to the St. Louis meets, but I’m a regular at the Naperville (now Lisle) meets, and always attend the STMFC dinners.

What what I’m going to say here is not new, but it’s worth remembering. The aging of any group is worrisome. However it’s not necessary (though desirable) to have a big influx of young members to combat this. A major part of the model railroad community has always been middle-aged or recently retired folks joining, or especially rejoining, the hobby. Young adults don’t make up a big fraction of hardly any such groups as ours. They’re too busy working, raising a family, getting more education, or maybe just surviving. They may have been model RR’s once, but just can’t fit it in during such hectic times.

I worked for many years part-time at a hobby shop. It was not at all unusual to have an elderly man come in and buy a complete set of trains (not necessarily a “train set”) to start into the hobby. The story was always something like … “When I was a kid I always wanted a model train but my parents wouldn’t buy me one, then as a teenager I couldn’t afford on, and as an adult I was too busy to get one. Now I’m retired and have money and time, and by gosh I’m gonn’a have a TRAIN!"

While it won’t reverse the "aging” issue, a steady inflow of such middle-aged, even elderly folks can sustain the community or even make it grow in numbers.
 
Dan Mitchell
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On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:

 Good morning everyone 
 I am one of those new faces. In fact, this was my first RPM.  I came down on the train from Chicago and stayed with my sister in O’Fallon. I was very impressed with the Collinsville was a wonderful experience to see in person what modelers achieve in the present day. I enjoyed talking with vendors and meeting a couple of people I’ve corresponded with for several years but had never met in person. If I have a suggestion, it would be to somehow post alphabetized a list of attendees and where they are from. I would’ve liked to meet more people but I didn’t know how to find them not knowing what they look like!  Thanks again for all the hard work put into bringing the RPM about. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
Headinding for the afternoon train home

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal—maybe i am wrong—and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch



Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Richard Townsend
 

That's been the conventional wisdom for the last 40 or 50 years. Not dead yet!

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 6:53 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal—maybe i am wrong—and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch

Re: RC 1937 AAR box car undec kits special run

 

Andy, just catching up on messages, and I too, could be interested in 10 or so of these kits? Any idea of a time frame. I couldn't get your email address from the original message, but mine is das1054ATgmail.com.

Any idea of a time frame delivery on these?

Dave Strahlendorf

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Nelson Moyer
 

I saw a lot of younger people and many young people roaming the aisles (I’m 75). From the increasing number of models from periods later than the steam and transition eras, one may extrapolate that the hobby is attracting new blood from the 60s through the 90s. The weathering stations are catering to those who favor rust buckets with graffiti, so the 70s and 80s are getting lots of attention, not only from the manufacturers represented, but the modelers as well. I even saw a guy with a PC shirt who must be a masochist. The number of freight cars from before 1950 was down, which may bode ill for those of us who like single sheathed boxcars from fallen flags. There were very few cars from the teens and twenties, more for the 30s-40s, but still down from previous years. The hobby is definitely evolving with respect to eras of interest, and that may bode ill for those of us who scratchbuild, build resin, and kitbash plastic as material sources become scarce, and RTR takes over the hobby as my generation passes on.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:59 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Cc: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

 


With such a large crowd (662) it would be statistically meaningful to ask every
attendee to give their current age and then compile an (anonymous) age graph of the
distribution of ages. If done every year we could get a much better idea of the
ages of RPM modelers, at least. It's been known for a long time that many people
don't enter the hobby seriously until their 30s or 40s - once they start to "settle
down". Even in the 1960's I think the "average" age compiled by Model Railroader was
in the early to mid 40's.

Tim O'Connor





My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal­maybe i am wrong­and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

ford.donald77 <ford.donald77@...>
 

This was my 4th Collinsville Meet best yet great clinics, outstanding models, the vendors must have been good my pocket book is a lot lighter, my jaw is worn out, great time.
Thanks to all that put this together
Con Ford 
Cameron MO

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Tim O'Connor
 


With such a large crowd (662) it would be statistically meaningful to ask every
attendee to give their current age and then compile an (anonymous) age graph of the
distribution of ages. If done every year we could get a much better idea of the
ages of RPM modelers, at least. It's been known for a long time that many people
don't enter the hobby seriously until their 30s or 40s - once they start to "settle
down". Even in the 1960's I think the "average" age compiled by Model Railroader was
in the early to mid 40's.

Tim O'Connor




My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal­maybe i am wrong­and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Eric Lombard
 

 Good morning everyone 
 I am one of those new faces. In fact, this was my first RPM.  I came down on the train from Chicago and stayed with my sister in O’Fallon. I was very impressed with the Collinsville was a wonderful experience to see in person what modelers achieve in the present day. I enjoyed talking with vendors and meeting a couple of people I’ve corresponded with for several years but had never met in person. If I have a suggestion, it would be to somehow post alphabetized a list of attendees and where they are from. I would’ve liked to meet more people but I didn’t know how to find them not knowing what they look like!  Thanks again for all the hard work put into bringing the RPM about. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL
Headinding for the afternoon train home

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:54 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal—maybe i am wrong—and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch

Re: Masking over Archer rivets

Craig Zeni
 

On Jul 23, 2018, at 1:56 AM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

4d. Re: Masking over Archer rivets
From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:36:05 EDT

I have not heard of using wet white paper, but I do have a roll of very weak
adhesive paper from 3M - essentially a roll of Post-It note paper. I use it when
the surface is not too irregular (i.e. a flat surface).

Has anyone tried brushing Microscale liquid decal film over Archer rivets? I
wonder if it would help hold them in place securely while painting.
Using Tamiya's masking tape I have masked over Archers but I airbrushed glosscoat over them first. I also applied the Archers over a painted surface, not directly to unpainted plastic.


Craig Zeni
Cary NC

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Bill Welch
 

My topic was one that has a fairly narrow appeal—maybe i am wrong—and what impressed me is how many faces I did not recognize listening. The conventional thinking is that our hobby is aging and therefore doomed. I don't see it based on the number of newcomers I see on a regular basis. I do wish I had included information for people about this list, and the Styrene and Resin lists.

My only complaint is that the Canteen closed too early. I heard interest in having more clinics and repeating clinics. The facility is really great I think and the CREW was on top of everything.

Bill Welch

Re: The Twelfth St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler's Meet

Lawrence Rast
 

Let me add my thanks to all for a job excellently done. It was a terrific event.

Lawrence Rast
Fort Wayne, Indiana


On Jul 23, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I didn't visit with a lot of the manufacturers (importers) Sam Clarke of Kadee had some test shots of detail parts that will be very well received.
John Golden has the Dick Clark syndrome, he never seems to age. Guess final attendance total was 662.
Clark Propst