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Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

np328
 

Looking at some photos, I agree with Schuler, in general.  I will state that I think the poles heights are from the ground, 32 feet in total, and with the lights at or about 24 to 26 feet in elevation. There are several more feet above the lights for cross arms carrying lines. 

      I'll also add that of the examples, in one of the photos, a pole that seemed ONLY to serve as a light post, and terminated the light circuit, was a bit lower than the other poles that held lights and line carrying duties. This last part I feel is a distinction worthy of modeling.
     The photos I studied are roughly 9MG per photo and I am aware of this sites limitations. They are however great for studying detail and that is why when I was still an officer of the NPRHA and the Milwaukee Road Historical Society graciously gave these to our group, I had the original large 2.25 x 2.25 film images scanned at a high res.   I can post say 2 photos if people here request it.                Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Dan Hall/Southwest Scale Productions Update

 

Thanks Bill. I just placed a small order from Dan and am anxious to receive these.

Dave

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Talked to Dan Hall today after placing an order for correct doors for a GN and SP&P project. All of his doors except for the "Overnight" cars are in stock. He travels regularly which interferes with getting orders out immediately but if you order in the next couple of days it will likely be shipped quickly since he is in town. He has sold his molding machine as it was old and subject to a lot of maintenance. He still has tools to cut molds and we talked about what he would like to do.

http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

You will not be disappointed with the quality and accuracy of his doors. Ed Hawkins various AAR tables can be consulted for usage: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Bill Welch



Re: San Francisco Fleet Handouts

John Barry
 

Garth,

I don't really have a script.   It was a fun presentation to do.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] San Francisco Fleet Handouts

John,

Nice hand-outs. Any chance your lecture text is available? I have a passing interest in Santa Fe's marine operations. When I took basic training in 1975 at USCG TRACEN ALAMEDA (Government Island), and later as base staff, I could see the Alameda slip across the channel and often one of the floats was tied up there. I never saw a tug though. On liberty time I sometimes photographed the Alameda Belt Line, but I never found the access to the slip.

By the way, Government Island still had remnants of street trackage when I was there. During WWII it was a major Coast Guard supply center, and its warehouses were served by an SP spur that crossed the Oakland Estuary on a low bridge from Oakland. I think the bridge was rail/road. By the time I got there that bridge had been replaced by an all-road structure with a hump high enough to allow pleasure boats to go under.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  (former Coast Guard Photojournalist First Class)

On 7/26/18 10:02 PM, John Barry wrote:
The link to the handouts for my presentation are on my blog at Santa Fe's San Francisco Fleet Handouts


 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736




Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Schuyler Larrabee
 

2x car height, maybe a little more.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Freight Yard Light Poles

 

Anyone have an educated guess as to how tall the typical light poles were in a freight yard or service area in the steam or transition eras?

I'm not thinking of the large gang flood lights but rather poles with one or two shaded lights.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Collinsville RPM Photos

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thank you Steve.  Nice to see that while the Rock Island may be gone it is far from dead!

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I now have a number of choices to research.  I appreciate everyone’s help.  I’ll post a few of my projects.

 

Thanks again,

 

Chuck


Eastern PA 2 Rail O Scale Train Show and Swap Meet August 11th, Strasburg PA

Rich Yoder
 

Come one come all to the Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale swap meet and train show Saturday August 11th, Doors open at 9:00 am. The show is over at 1:00 PM dealers will be open until 1:00 PM Admission at the door is $5.00 Wives, Children, and Active Military with ID are free! Come enjoy good Lancaster County hospitality and Amish style cooking. No smoking on the premises. Visit the Strasburg Railroad, Pennsylvania State Railroad Museum, or spend a night at the Red Caboose Motel. The show flyer is attached so if you want a table, fill out the information and send it in. Please share this and forward this to your friends.

 

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA 17579https://www.google.com/maps/place/Strasburg+Fire+company/@39.9815868,-76.1832858,17z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x89c63a1c210dcfdd:0x2de668e25b2419f0!2s203+W+Franklin+St,+Strasburg,+PA+17579!3b1!3m1!1s0x0:0xf055ac77944cae3d?hl=en

Sincerely,

Rich Yoder

John Dunn


Freight Yard Light Poles

Bob Chaparro
 

Anyone have an educated guess as to how tall the typical light poles were in a freight yard or service area in the steam or transition eras?

I'm not thinking of the large gang flood lights but rather poles with one or two shaded lights.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Todd Sullivan
 

Just like the prototype?

Todd Sullivan


Re: Collinsville RPM Photos

Lester Breuer
 

Steve, Thank You for sharing your photos of Collinsville.
Lester Breuer


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Tim O'Connor
 


Floquil colors varied by batch - I have two bottles of the ATSF color and they
are not the same.

Tim O'Connor


Chuck Cover asked:
"I have a number of ATSF projects coming up and in the past have used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown as my go to paint.  Can someone recommend another solvent based paint that has a similar color characteristic as the Floquil?"

This Microscale conversion chart recommend Model Master Rust, stock number 1785.
http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/Floquil%20Color%20Chart.pdf

Ben Hom


The "Santa Fe Reefer Book" Available Again

Bob Chaparro
 

At the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society convention I confirmed the "Santa Fe Reefer Book", more formally known as the Santa Fe Refrigerator Cars Ice Bunker Cars 1884-1979 (Volume 2, Rolling Stock Reference Series)

by C. Keith Jordan, Richard H. Hendrickson, John B. Moore and A. Dean Hale and the Santa Fe Modeler Organization (1994), is again be available through the Society. The price to the general public is $45.00.

I see there is one copy available on E-Bay for $80.00. The price range on Alibris is $97.00 to $165.00. The price range on Abe Books is $53.00 to $116.00 with absolutely outrageous shipping charges.

Only a limited number have been reprinted by the Society so if you want one, get it now.

Here is a link:

https://sfrhms.org/product-category/books/

Scroll down to the fourth row.

Keith Jordan is a friend but I have no financial connection to Keith or the Society.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/29/2018 8:59 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
Santa Fe used a brown version of boxcar red before 1944, and a mineral red version from 1945 until the ATSF red era.

The normal titles (at least I think so) was ATSF mineral brown pre-war, post-war+/- Santa Fe brown, and after that some kind of red.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Nelson Moyer
 

There is another alternative. Santa Fe used a brown version of boxcar red before 1944, and a mineral red version from 1945 until the ATSF red era.

 

Tru Color

Lacquer

Gloss

TCP-251

Santa Fe 1945+ Freight Car Brown

Tru Color

Lacquer

Gloss

TCP-019

Santa Fe Brown

 

 

TCP-019 is for cars painted before 1944. Be aware that Tru Color has a learning curve, dries to a gloss finish, and cars must be primed for paint adherence. I’ve done a couple of waycars with TCP-251, and the color is right for late 1940s paint jobs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of bill woelfel via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:21 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

 

Try Scalecoat # 2144, it's allegedly a Floquil clone, Called ATSF Mineral Brown.  Bill


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

bill woelfel
 

Try Scalecoat # 2144, it's allegedly a Floquil clone, Called ATSF Mineral Brown.  Bill


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

hubert mask
 

Good morning Fenton.  Scalecoat is minute man hobbies.  They are one in the same.  

Hubert. 


On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:52 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I have switched to Scalecoat II and they offer a Santa Fe brown but I could only get it through Minute Man hobbies.  A very nice SC II primer is offered through them as well.
Fenton

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
I have a number of ATSF projects coming up and in the past have used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown as my go to paint.  Can someone recommend another solvent based paint that has a similar color characteristic as the Floquil?   Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

O Fenton Wells
 

I have switched to Scalecoat II and they offer a Santa Fe brown but I could only get it through Minute Man hobbies.  A very nice SC II primer is offered through them as well.
Fenton

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
I have a number of ATSF projects coming up and in the past have used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown as my go to paint.  Can someone recommend another solvent based paint that has a similar color characteristic as the Floquil?   Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM




--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Pierre Oliver
 

Scalecoat(through Minuteman models) offers a near perfect recreation of the original Floquil color

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 7/28/18 3:48 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:

I have a number of ATSF projects coming up and in the past have used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown as my go to paint.  Can someone recommend another solvent based paint that has a similar color characteristic as the Floquil?   Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Big Trouble in Big China

Marty McGuirk
 

If it’s Bowser and Atlas then I’m certain Intermountain will also be impacted. 


On Jul 28, 2018, at 10:18 PM, John Sykes III via Groups.Io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Apparently, that factory in China had designed the chassis and running gear for the RS3, so it may be in danger of being cancelled.


Re: Big Trouble in Big China

John Sykes III
 

Apparently, that factory in China had designed the chassis and running gear for the RS3, so it may be in danger of being cancelled.

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