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Re: USRA Cabooses

Dave Parker
 

Seth, I am not familiar with that article, nor the photo.  The B&M did have some shorter wood-body cabooses, usually (always?) with three windows.  Their resemblance to the USRA cars seems pretty distant to me eye.

Google up "B&M caboose 104610" and see what you think.  It is currently on display in White River Jct.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: USRA Cabooses

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Seth,

The RF&P had cabooses which appear to be USRA or clones. I have no information about them, except that in 1950 several were sold to the Pacific Electric. Ira Swett's CARS OF PACIFIC ELECTRIC, Vol. 3 has photos of three, said in the rather random text to be the last cabooses purchased outright for the PE. The text does not tell us how many, but there are photos of 1977, 1981 and 1984. They were in a series of used eastern cars of other designs which went as high as 1985 (1975 is an ex-LV car with an offset cupola), so it is likely there were at least 9 ex-RF&P cars, 1977-1985. Whether 1976 was a USRA car I can't say, but there might have been 10. The cars differ from the Clinchfield caboose Bill showed us in that they had passenger-type steps. 1977 and 1978 were preserved at the Pomona fairgrounds back in the 1960s (I have two photos, among of my earliest), but I have no idea if they still survive.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 7/30/18 4:54 PM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
A question for the group. I have not had any luck finding a roster of USRA and USRA copy wood cabooses. 

I know the following roads had them and a partial list of numbers. 
Boston & Maine ?-?
Central Vermont 4050-4052
Pittsburgh & Shawmut 163-167
Ulster & Delaware 641-650 became
New York Central 20090-20099

Can anyone add to the list. 

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Tim O'Connor
 


My notes on that photo say it is Northtown Yard, Minneapolis, in 1958. I think
the info came from the Ebay seller.



I built this kit years ago but kit-bashed it adding a fishbelly center sill to model the attached, now offered by Yarmouth. My memory is that it went together well and had a good rendition of the NP radial roof. I used a Microscale set of decals and a reddish brown BCR paint.

Bill Welch

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Re: [STMFC] Atlantic & East Carolina 1937 AAR Boxcar

James Brewer
 

I obtained two factory decorated A&EC boxcars as I'm always on the lookout for some “y'all” road freight equipment to add to my N&W Shenandoah Valley line model railroad.

I consulted Ed Hawkins' chart on 1937 AAR boxcars and learned these cars were obtained from Southern Railway and had four alternating rivets per side sheet for mounting interior vertical members to facilitate side lining. Bill Welch pointed out there were also rivets on the ends of the car. Ed was also kind enough to supply a prototype photo and mentioned plans for these cars could be found in Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs, Volume 1, Book 1, 40' Steel Boxcars, published by SRHA. As luck would have it I owned this book having purchased it at the Cocoa Beach bash several years ago. The drawings for the side and end of the car showed the additional rivet locations.

I removed the cast on side and end grab irons, as well as the ladder rungs. I left the cast on stiles, retainer, retainer line, brake housing, brake step and brake rod. In hind sight, had I been able to find decals I would have substituted InterMountain or Red Caboose ends which would have allowed use of better details.

There is no rivet detail on the ends of the Yardmaster cars. There should be a strip of rivets at the very bottom of the end, as well as in the middle where the two sheets are joined together. I added these rivets with decals from MicroMark.

I drilled four holes per side sheet and used Tichy .020 rivets. I used Plastruct .010 styrene rod for the ladder rungs, and Tichy 18 inch drop grabs for the sides and ends. A-Line Style B sill steps, Kadee Miner Hand brake and Plano Morton Running Board were used based on the information in Ed's reference chart. I had a terrible time with the latitudinals in mounting the board to the brass frame and then to the car. Detail Associatates uncoupling levers were added on each end.

Ed had pointed out in the photo he sent the trust plate on the car had been removed since the cars were paid for, but the mounting rivets were still visible. I again used Tichy .020 rivets to add this detail on each car.

I used Tahoe Model Works 40 Ton ARA trucks.

Thanks to all to offered information and suggestions on these cars.

Jim Brewer



On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Bill

Also note that the cars were not all built at the same time. I have clear
shots that show build dates 1938 to 1941, and a couple of cars with shop dates
of 1957 - although most of them are from 1954. So they were not all leased
at the same time.

The 1938 cars have S-corner ends, while some later cars have W-corner ends! All
of the cars have those Southern Rwy stencils, so it seems clear these cars came
from the Southern, which owned both the early and later 1937 AAR cars.

The cars remained on the A&EC a long time. In July 1972 there were still two of
them on the roster.

Tim O'Connor




Before I looked through my photo albums where I have several photos of these cars I checked my computer and son-of-a-gun there were three: 1045, 1015 and 1039 from Vancouver. All appear to be freshly painted and have reweigh dates of either 2-54 or 3-54 so I think it is safe to say it was around that date that the A&EC either acquired or leased these cars. Further to the left of the ladder fairly high on the side is stenciled "Southern Ry. Co. Spencer" with waht appears to be a January 1954 paint date.

Years ago Des Plaines did custom kits of these cars using the then IMWX kit.

Bill Welch

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Re: USRA Cabooses

Seth Lakin
 

Dave, according to the Gordon Odegard article in the Jan 79 MR the B&M did. There is a photo of a B&M car but I could make out the number and was unable to find anymore photos of B&M cars on the few websites I visited. 

Seth


Re: USRA Cabooses

Bill Welch
 

Clinchfield owned several w/their own unique steps. I bought two F&C kits to build models. Sorry but do not have time right now to enumerate. I do have photos of three numbers, 1020, 1021, and 1029. I do not know why but Clinchfield USRA hoppers and cabooses used CC&O reporting marks well into the 1950's and maybe beyond.

Bill Welch


Re: USRA Cabooses

Dave Parker
 

Seth:

I don't recall ever hearing any of the B&M cabooses referred to as "USRA".  I am some distance away from my copy of the late Tim Gilbert's book on the B&M's cabeese, but I'll try to remember to double-check it in about a week.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: USRA Cabooses

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Maryland & Pennsylvania 2007

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Monday, July 30, 2018, 3:55:09 PM CDT, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io <lakinsa@...> wrote:


A question for the group. I have not had any luck finding a roster of USRA and USRA copy wood cabooses. 

I know the following roads had them and a partial list of numbers. 
Boston & Maine ?-?
Central Vermont 4050-4052
Pittsburgh & Shawmut 163-167
Ulster & Delaware 641-650 became
New York Central 20090-20099

Can anyone add to the list. 

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


USRA Cabooses

Seth Lakin
 

A question for the group. I have not had any luck finding a roster of USRA and USRA copy wood cabooses. 

I know the following roads had them and a partial list of numbers. 
Boston & Maine ?-?
Central Vermont 4050-4052
Pittsburgh & Shawmut 163-167
Ulster & Delaware 641-650 became
New York Central 20090-20099

Can anyone add to the list. 

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Bob Werre
 

I recently helped a family sell off a narrow gauge modeler's stuff.  Of course, I ended buying some items.  To that end I ended up with some un-opened bottles of Floquil.  I was hoping to trade with someone so I could keeping using them as a group.  I've inquired on a couple of mailing lists without response, so now I'll sell them as a group or individually.  I believe I do have several 'freight car' colors. I also have a few bottles of Driftwood stain too.  Contact me: Bob@...


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Bill Welch
 

I built this kit years ago but kit-bashed it adding a fishbelly center sill to model the attached, now offered by Yarmouth. My memory is that it went together well and had a good rendition of the NP radial roof. I used a Microscale set of decals and a reddish brown BCR paint.

Bill Welch


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Dennis Storzek
 

I tend to agree with Jim. Wikipedia (always the definitive source :-) says the average power pole in the US is 40' long, set 6' in the ground, so 34' from ground to tip. I seem to recall from my railway museum days that 35' poles were common during the "interurban era" (pre WWII) set  five feet in the ground for a overall height of 30'. Longer or shorter poles were always available, but only used when really needed.

Dennis Storzek


Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Sean Murphy
 

Has anyone built one of these kits? I am looking for prototype photos of this series in the 1930's and 1940's. I am also interested in opinions on what paint color I should use on the boxcar?

Thanks ahead of time...


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

np328
 

Looking at some photos, I agree with Schuler, in general.  I will state that I think the poles heights are from the ground, 32 feet in total, and with the lights at or about 24 to 26 feet in elevation. There are several more feet above the lights for cross arms carrying lines. 

      I'll also add that of the examples, in one of the photos, a pole that seemed ONLY to serve as a light post, and terminated the light circuit, was a bit lower than the other poles that held lights and line carrying duties. This last part I feel is a distinction worthy of modeling.
     The photos I studied are roughly 9MG per photo and I am aware of this sites limitations. They are however great for studying detail and that is why when I was still an officer of the NPRHA and the Milwaukee Road Historical Society graciously gave these to our group, I had the original large 2.25 x 2.25 film images scanned at a high res.   I can post say 2 photos if people here request it.                Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Dan Hall/Southwest Scale Productions Update

 

Thanks Bill. I just placed a small order from Dan and am anxious to receive these.

Dave

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Talked to Dan Hall today after placing an order for correct doors for a GN and SP&P project. All of his doors except for the "Overnight" cars are in stock. He travels regularly which interferes with getting orders out immediately but if you order in the next couple of days it will likely be shipped quickly since he is in town. He has sold his molding machine as it was old and subject to a lot of maintenance. He still has tools to cut molds and we talked about what he would like to do.

http://www.southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm

You will not be disappointed with the quality and accuracy of his doors. Ed Hawkins various AAR tables can be consulted for usage: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Bill Welch



Re: San Francisco Fleet Handouts

John Barry
 

Garth,

I don't really have a script.   It was a fun presentation to do.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] San Francisco Fleet Handouts

John,

Nice hand-outs. Any chance your lecture text is available? I have a passing interest in Santa Fe's marine operations. When I took basic training in 1975 at USCG TRACEN ALAMEDA (Government Island), and later as base staff, I could see the Alameda slip across the channel and often one of the floats was tied up there. I never saw a tug though. On liberty time I sometimes photographed the Alameda Belt Line, but I never found the access to the slip.

By the way, Government Island still had remnants of street trackage when I was there. During WWII it was a major Coast Guard supply center, and its warehouses were served by an SP spur that crossed the Oakland Estuary on a low bridge from Oakland. I think the bridge was rail/road. By the time I got there that bridge had been replaced by an all-road structure with a hump high enough to allow pleasure boats to go under.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  (former Coast Guard Photojournalist First Class)

On 7/26/18 10:02 PM, John Barry wrote:
The link to the handouts for my presentation are on my blog at Santa Fe's San Francisco Fleet Handouts


 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736




Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Schuyler Larrabee
 

2x car height, maybe a little more.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Freight Yard Light Poles

 

Anyone have an educated guess as to how tall the typical light poles were in a freight yard or service area in the steam or transition eras?

I'm not thinking of the large gang flood lights but rather poles with one or two shaded lights.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Collinsville RPM Photos

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thank you Steve.  Nice to see that while the Rock Island may be gone it is far from dead!

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Replacement for Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I now have a number of choices to research.  I appreciate everyone’s help.  I’ll post a few of my projects.

 

Thanks again,

 

Chuck


Eastern PA 2 Rail O Scale Train Show and Swap Meet August 11th, Strasburg PA

Rich Yoder
 

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