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Re: USRA Cabooses

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Seth,

    The Boston & Maine had noting really close to any USRA designed cabeese.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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Re: [STMFC] Atlantic & East Carolina 1937 AAR Boxcar

John Barry
 

Eich,

. . . Because it is written . . .Good story!
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [STMFC] Atlantic & East Carolina 1937 AAR Boxcar

Jim:

Thanks for the good info on an uncommon box car!

Actually, the cars never left Southern ownership. They were repainted and lettered for the A&EC but never “lost” their Southern numbers. It is too small to read, but the lettering in the upper right of the attached photo says “Sou Rwy Owner 10663”. Many of these were rebuilt back to Southern paint in various programs. (I cannot read the number on your model. If you’ll let me know what it is, I’ll look up it’s Southern numbers before and after its A&EC service…although not all of the 1937 cars were rebuilt.)

The photo of A&EC 929 was taken in the warehouse area at Camp Lejeune, NC in early 1968. Most of the A&EC cars appeared to have been stored there at that time. Both the ACL and Southern served Camp Lejune then. The tracks are still active in another part of Lejeune for inbound coal and where equipment is loaded on DODX flat cars for long haul shipment or to be loaded on US Navy ships at Moorhead City.

I discovered this trove of cars (too many to see or count) as I was in the area to renew my USMC truck driving permit…which I failed!  There were multiple places where the tracks had been removed with only the rails still in the pavement. True, the PFC conducting the test told me to stop at all railroad crossings along the route. Being around railroads most of my life, I knew NO train would be crossing at those locations but the Private (I was a Sgt.) had been told they were “crossings” so that was that.

Ike




Re: USRA Cabooses

mofwcaboose
 

The B&M cabooses were second hand from the Lehigh & New England. B&M C-90 - C-92 were from the L&NE series 574 - 578, built by Magor in 1931. B&M cabooses C-93 - C-95 were former L&NE 571 - 573, built by PSC in 1929.

The Pittsburg & Shawmut cabooses were in series 163 - 172 (ten cars).

The Lake Erie, Franklin & Clarion cabooses were numbers 8 and 9, most likely ex-P&S cars.

The Clinchfield cabooses began with 1020.

The wooden Reading cabooses were copies of the steel cabooses Reading had been building since 1924. These were based on the USRA design but some of the dimensions were not identical. The Reading built 50 wood-sided ones during WWII to conserve steel, designated class NMn, numbered 92930 - 92979. One of them, 92947,  became Maryland & Pennsylvania 2007. Around the same time Reading also built eight for the Lehigh & Hudson River.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Lakin via Groups.Io <lakinsa@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 7:51 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] USRA Cabooses

A question for the group. I have not had any luck finding a roster of USRA and USRA copy wood cabooses. 

I know the following roads had them and a partial list of numbers. 
Boston & Maine ?-?
Central Vermont 4050-4052
Pittsburgh & Shawmut 163-167
Ulster & Delaware 641-650 became
New York Central 20090-20099

Can anyone add to the list. 

Thanks
Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN

Re: USRA Cabooses

James McDonald
 

Hello Garth, Bill, and list,

At first glance the RF&P cabs may appear to be USRA design, but they actually pre-date the USRA proposed caboose specs by some time and are dimensionally different.

The RF&P began building cabooses with 25’ bodies by at least 1904. It is not clear from the records whether earlier cabooses had similar dimensions, but the 25’ cars (initially RFP 803-845, not continuous) built in 1904-05 formed the core design to which the railroad’s subsequent cabooses would be built for almost forty years.

There were some design changes over time. The 1904 cars had archbar trucks and wooden underframes. In 1907 the railroad built 8 more of the same design but with composite underframes, these cars were numbered into gaps in the range of the wooden underframed cars.

In 1918 and 1919 the RF&P began retrofitting their wooden underframed cabooses with steel underframes as well as constructing additional cabooses to the same dimensions with steel underframes. These can be differentiated by the appearance of the side sill. The rebuilding process also included the replacement of steps.

It is presumed, but not confirmed, that the Washington Southern’s cabooses (WS 901-912), which were of the same design and also built by the RF&P’s shops, were also rebuilt with steel underframes at this time. It also seems that cabooses numbered WS 907-912 were constructed at this time and probably had steel underframes from their construction date. Records, to the extent they exist, are extremely contradictory. In fact, in some sources the WS and RF&P numbers are switched entirely, although this appears to be a clerical error. After the WS was merged into the RF&P the ex-WS cars kept their original numbers making the range of this car design RF&P 801-912, although the entire range was not filled.

Dimensionally the design barely changed from the 1904 specs. The carbody was 25’ 0” long. The distance between truck centers was 16’ 4” and the cars were 30’ 10” over strikers. Their extreme width was 8’ 10 3/4”. Their height changed after the rebuilding to steel underframes, lowering them slightly from 14’ 5” to 14’ 41/2”, encompassing their 3’ 8” tall cupola.

In the period after WWII the railroad began to sheath the cars in plywood, but restoration efforts on remaining cabooses have revealed that the railroad appears to have merely left the original tongue & groove siding in place and covered it over with ply. Contrary to Overland’s labeling, there were no steel versions of this caboose design. The first steel cabooses to arrive on the RF&P were the first order of ICC Wide Vision cabs 901-903 delivered in 1970.

My research also indicates that 9 of the 25’ RF&P cabooses were sold to the Pacific Electric in 1950. I’ve yet to determine their original numbers, but that hasn’t been at the forefront of my research into these cars yet. Any info about them would be welcomed.

All the best,

James

=-=-=

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.

RF&P/PE cabooses [was USRA Cabooses]

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim

Thanks for your information on the RF&P/PE cars. It looks like this knocks them out as USRA cars, and even clones, though they do have a similar appearance. Based on your information that 9 sold to the PE, their likely numbers are PE 1977-1985. There is no roster in Swett's book.

I have Richard E. Prince's THE RICHMOND-WASHINGTON LINE AND RELATED RAILROADS (most of which are completely unrelated). He offers photos of these cars on pages 198 and 206, though there is no roster or other data. RF&P 912 is shown at Acca in 1949, and is clearly plywood-sheathed though Prince describes it as steel-sheathed.

Some RF&P cabooses were longer, and appear to be about 40' over the sills in photos. One is 927, also shown on page 206. One of these went to the Nelson & Albemarle Railway where it was rebuilt with a side-door on one side only (all three depots they served were on the same side of the tracks). The car apparently had no number on the N&A. This car was used on the last train on 5 February 1963, shown here at Esmont, Virginia. (Photo from my collection, photographer unknown).



Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 7/31/18 2:00 AM, James McDonald wrote:
Hello Garth, Bill, and list,

At first glance the RF&P cabs may appear to be USRA design, but they actually pre-date the USRA proposed caboose specs by some time and are dimensionally different.

The RF&P began building cabooses with 25’ bodies by at least 1904. It is not clear from the records whether earlier cabooses had similar dimensions, but the 25’ cars (initially RFP 803-845, not continuous) built in 1904-05 formed the core design to which the railroad’s subsequent cabooses would be built for almost forty years.

There were some design changes over time. The 1904 cars had archbar trucks and wooden underframes. In 1907 the railroad built 8 more of the same design but with composite underframes, these cars were numbered into gaps in the range of the wooden underframed cars.

In 1918 and 1919 the RF&P began retrofitting their wooden underframed cabooses with steel underframes as well as constructing additional cabooses to the same dimensions with steel underframes. These can be differentiated by the appearance of the side sill. The rebuilding process also included the replacement of steps.

It is presumed, but not confirmed, that the Washington Southern’s cabooses (WS 901-912), which were of the same design and also built by the RF&P’s shops, were also rebuilt with steel underframes at this time. It also seems that cabooses numbered WS 907-912 were constructed at this time and probably had steel underframes from their construction date. Records, to the extent they exist, are extremely contradictory. In fact, in some sources the WS and RF&P numbers are switched entirely, although this appears to be a clerical error. After the WS was merged into the RF&P the ex-WS cars kept their original numbers making the range of this car design RF&P 801-912, although the entire range was not filled.

Dimensionally the design barely changed from the 1904 specs. The carbody was 25’ 0” long. The distance between truck centers was 16’ 4” and the cars were 30’ 10” over strikers. Their extreme width was 8’ 10 3/4”. Their height changed after the rebuilding to steel underframes, lowering them slightly from 14’ 5” to 14’ 41/2”, encompassing their 3’ 8” tall cupola.

In the period after WWII the railroad began to sheath the cars in plywood, but restoration efforts on remaining cabooses have revealed that the railroad appears to have merely left the original tongue & groove siding in place and covered it over with ply. Contrary to Overland’s labeling, there were no steel versions of this caboose design. The first steel cabooses to arrive on the RF&P were the first order of ICC Wide Vision cabs 901-903 delivered in 1970.

My research also indicates that 9 of the 25’ RF&P cabooses were sold to the Pacific Electric in 1950. I’ve yet to determine their original numbers, but that hasn’t been at the forefront of my research into these cars yet. Any info about them would be welcomed.

All the best,

James

=-=-=

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.

St. Louis RPM summary

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch and I share thoughts on our St. Louis RPM experiences in the latest Resin Car Works blog post. Photo gallery links are included!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/st-louis-rpm-summary/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Pacific Electric USRA Cabooses

Andy Carlson
 

Late to the party, but this picture of PE 1978 shows fresh paint.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Rick Jesionowski
 

35' Poles were and are still the common height.  I worked for an outside electrical contractor, and the majority of poles in our inventory were 35' poles with a smattering of 40', 45' and 50' poles for special uses.  A 35' pole was placed in a 7' holes resulting in 28' above ground for mounting the crossarm.

By the way the majority of poles were shipped in gons as the 35-50 foot poles would easily fit in a 52'6" gon which is how we received them at our yard.

Another point, all the scenery gurus want you to roughen up the poles with a steel comb or whatever, poles were smooth so there was less chance for a lineman's hooks to pop out when climbing the pole.

Rick Jesionowski

Not a good sign

Pierre Oliver
 

Just tried calling Reboxx today, the number is disconnected.
I have this sinking feeling that semi-scale wheelsets are going to become a little more of a challenge

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Re: USRA Cabooses

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
About 25+ years ago The Car Shop produced an etched brass model of these cars in O and HO scales.
Occasionally, one shows up on EBay.
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio

Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Ken Adams
 

A little OT but isn't this the box car almost ready to arrive on our shores in RTR form from Rapido?

Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Adams asked:
"A little OT but isn't this the box car almost ready to arrive on our shores in RTR form from Rapido?"

No.  The Rapido car is a different prototype.


Ben Hom




Re: Not a good sign

Roger Huber
 

Pierre,

Well that's certainly not good news. Great products and always nice to order from too.

On a similar note, yesterday I went on several shop websites trying to stock up on many different items from various manufacturers. I came out with almost nothing! Even places like Kleins had more "0 In Stock" items than "X In Stock" items. Scary! They were my favoritet go-to place. I know they have changed their business model but does that mean you can't even mail order from them now? I tried the new Caboose Hobbies and they seem to have nothing in their new store. It wasn't just those 2 places. So what's going on that no one is stocking anything? Are we going to be forced to order from The Backorder Hobby Shop (Walthers)? Is this a trend, a fluke or what?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, 11:10:29 AM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Just tried calling Reboxx today, the number is disconnected.
I have this sinking feeling that semi-scale wheelsets are going to
become a little more of a challenge

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com




Re: Not a good sign

Tony Thompson
 

Roger Huber wrote:

So what's going on that no one is stocking anything? Are we going to be forced to order from The Backorder Hobby Shop (Walthers)? Is this a trend, a fluke or what?

     Well, summer IS the slow time in the hobby (for most people). 
     Roger's description of Walthers reminds of an event years ago. I had ordered the Alexander pillar crane kit from Walthers, but it was out of stock. And stayed out of stock. Literally years went by, and I had totally forgotten it. Then one day a package appeared in the mail, and it was the crane kit. It took a minute to remember, yes! I once ordered this. So at least they have long memories.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





More Pacific Electric USRA Cabooses

Andy Carlson
 



Number 1981 with an odd (for a caboose) reweigh date of 1953.

-Andy Carlson

Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Sean Murphy
 

Bill,

I believe that is a different car.

Larry,

If you have an article or photos on them, I would be interested. I have the 1922 CBD.

Everyone,

The history on this car I believe is that they are from the 17000 series which were renumbered to the 31000 series during the 1930's. They were then cut up, sold, or moved to company / MOW service by the 1951. Since I model Sept.1950 on the GN, only 2-3 cars from NP records were still in interchange at this point. I am working on the kit currently and it is my first F&C.

I'm starting my dive into the resin world and it brings me back to the fun I had assembling blue box kits 20 years ago. I'm an architect, but now enjoy locomotive / rolling stock building and research more than almost any other aspect of the hobby. Go figure...

Re: USRA Cabooses

Donald B. Valentine
 

John LaRue wrote:

 
Re: USRA Cabooses 
From: mofwcaboose
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:26:46 PDT 
The B&M cabooses were second hand from the Lehigh & New England. B&M C-90 - C-92 were from the L&NE series 574 - 578, built by Magor in 1931. B&M cabooses C-93 - C-95 were former L&NE 571 - 573, built by PSC in 1929..


This is all swell sand good, John, but as our late friend Harry A. Frye would also tell you were he still with us the L&HR cabeese that the B&M received boar little or no resemblance to the USRA cabeese.

Cordially, Don Valetine

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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

radiodial868
 

By coincidence, its sister kit (#1006) just came out of the paint shop.  It's the 1906 8' high version (vs the 1908 8'-6"). Same kit otherwise.  Has to be one of the better F&Cs, the radial roof casting is massive and fit down into the sides & ends perfectly all the way around. The trusses went in rather quickly. A couple of tricks I learned doing these is to string the fishing line alongside the queen posts, and then when all done and tied & glued off (do not overtighten), lift them up onto the queen post tips and then spot glue.  Nice taught trusses.  I run the line through the turnbuckles (I can see Bill Welch cringe), but the reliability loss and assembly grief is not worth the effort of trying to make them see-through.  Another is to do the brake rigging after the trusses are in except for the train line and drill as many holes ahead of the truss install you can.

Paint is Tru-Color TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown over Vallejo Poly Primer (do not use the Tru-Color Primer).  The decals are crap, and if you can afford it, do as Bill says and use Microscale or Speedwich or something. Or you can do as I do and use the F&C blobs and pick the best ones from all the ones they provide.  The set includes ones for #1006-1008, so be sure to use the right ones.  I'm already dumping an extra $16 in parts and materials into what is a $24 kit, so buying decals is something I try to avoid. 
As a side note, this would make a good kit for someone who was relatively new and wanted a truss rod kit that goes together well.  Just be sure to spend the money and get at least one Coffman right-angle clamp.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

lrkdbn
 

Sean send me your US mail address and I will send you a photocopy
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>

FS: HO Undec Atlas Boxcar and Rapido Meat Reefer

pennsylvania1954
 

 

Atlas Undec 1932 ARA Boxcar, Item #20 000 170, Style #1 which is “Long tab” body, Murphy Panel roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught ends. $16

 

Rapido Undec GARX 37 ft Wood Meat Reefer. $22

 

Both NEW in unopened boxes. Plus postage from 32506. Buy both, and I will send them postpaid. Please contact OFF LIST stevehprr AT cox DOT net.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL