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Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group & Bob!

I call these colors "cream yellow and tangerine orange" but that's just me.  GE specification referred to the yellow as Croydon yellow but I have never been able to corroborate that that was exactly what the Salzberg organization specified.  The orange color has been speculated to have been copied from that of Syracuse University.  However, if you could see the orange on the 4000 vs. that on the C2654 vs. that on the contemporary GE Centercabs, you would appreciate that the best advice for the color would be to 'copy' that you see on the particular car you might model.  The yellow is subtle having hints of brown (very slight) and it has often been mistaken in faded condition as white (old slides dupes?).  My recommendation for the yellow has been Model Master #4209 "Hull Cream" or #4221 "Panama Buff" but others can probably work.

WAG 4000 was B&O M-41 188339, relatively unmodified from the original BR&P 3500-3999 series built in 1914 by SSC.  Two other M-41s were on the WAG but they had been modernized with newer cast-steel trucks, attached ladders, re-done facias, and running boards.  Other than brief trips over to Coudersport on the C&PA, there is no evidence that they went off line after the start of the WAG in 1956.  These cars were exclusively in LCL merchandise service.

Four WAG cars so painted that did go off line were (4100-4103) former Rock Island B-2 (Fowler Clones) that presently might be kit-bashed but for which there is no exact model.

Regards from Grove City, Penna, not far from that SSC plant at Butler that built both caboose and box car.    -----   Mike Schleigh 

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 6:30:04 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg

What colors were these cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Tim O'Connor
 


Just a wild guess, but I'd say orange & white.





Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg
What colors were these cars?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro


Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

 

Here’s a color photo off Ebay.


Thanks!



From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@verizon.net>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 5:29 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar: WAG 4000

Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg
What colors were these cars?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Boxcar: WAG 4000

Bob Chaparro
 

Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg

What colors were these cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


ERIE shake-n-take

william darnaby
 

I have started fussing with the kit and wondering if I missed something about the ends on this car during the presentation (don't remember being asleep...not that I would, I guess).  What came in the box is the more recent end with the narrow ribs between the "rolling pin" ribs that do not look like the end on the prototype or model example in the handout.  Was a different supposed to be provided in the kit?

Thanks,
Bill Darnaby





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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

dgconnery@...
 

RJ,

Your build is looking great. Share another photo when you have finished the lettering please. I appreciate your words of experience.

Dave Connery


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Eric Hansmann
 

Black Cat Publishing has some sweet decals for NP double-sheathed boxcars.

http://www.blackcatdecals.com/product-category/ho-decals/other-railways-us/page/3/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

 

By coincidence, its sister kit (#1006) just came out of the paint shop.  It's the 1906 8' high version (vs the 1908 8'-6"). Same kit otherwise.  Has to be one of the better F&Cs, the radial roof casting is massive and fit down into the sides & ends perfectly all the way around. The trusses went in rather quickly. A couple of tricks I learned doing these is to string the fishing line alongside the queen posts, and then when all done and tied & glued off (do not overtighten), lift them up onto the queen post tips and then spot glue.  Nice taught trusses.  I run the line through the turnbuckles (I can see Bill Welch cringe), but the reliability loss and assembly grief is not worth the effort of trying to make them see-through.  Another is to do the brake rigging after the trusses are in except for the train line and drill as many holes ahead of the truss install you can.

Paint is Tru-Color TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown over Vallejo Poly Primer (do not use the Tru-Color Primer).  The decals are crap, and if you can afford it, do as Bill says and use Microscale or Speedwich or something. Or you can do as I do and use the F&C blobs and pick the best ones from all the ones they provide.  The set includes ones for #1006-1008, so be sure to use the right ones.  I'm already dumping an extra $16 in parts and materials into what is a $24 kit, so buying decals is something I try to avoid. 
As a side note, this would make a good kit for someone who was relatively new and wanted a truss rod kit that goes together well.  Just be sure to spend the money and get at least one Coffman right-angle clamp.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: RF&P/PE cabooses [was USRA Cabooses]

James McDonald
 

Hi Garth,

Thanks for the data on the N&A’s ex-RF&P cabooses and the photo of the longer red caboose. I understand that the Nelson & Albemarle also got a single 25’ RF&P caboose, which it numbered 102. It’s not clear to me when the N&A received this caboose. Do you know? It has the style of steps that the cabooses had before the 1917-18 rebuilding effort, but it has a retrofit steel underframe. It also has two windows per car side, as was typical of the unrebuilt 1904 cabooses (although this could well have been a N&A action when they cut the freight door in the side). Another strange point is that I gather N&A 102 was painted in a shade of blue quite close to the RF&P color, but the RF&P didn’t begin painting cabooses that color until after the N&A had ceased operating.

You’re pretty much on the money with the length of the longer RF&P cabooses. They had a kingpin center of 28’ 2” and a length over strikers of 41’ 8”. They were originally numbered 922, 923, 924, 927, 929, and 930. The longer RF&P cabooses were built during WWII to meet wartime traffic demands, which grew to the extent that by 1943 the RF&P was running a train every 14 minutes, 24 hours a day, and continued this pace every day for 2 straight years. That was about 45 freight trains each way each day, more than the railroad could handle with its 37 short cabooses. Austerity being a concern, the company’s shops made cabooses out of stock cars RFP 2267-2435 that had themselves been previously boxcars with the same numbers.

All the best,

James

=-=-=
James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


FS: HO Undec Atlas Boxcar and Rapido Meat Reefer

pennsylvania1954
 

 

Atlas Undec 1932 ARA Boxcar, Item #20 000 170, Style #1 which is “Long tab” body, Murphy Panel roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught ends. $16

 

Rapido Undec GARX 37 ft Wood Meat Reefer. $22

 

Both NEW in unopened boxes. Plus postage from 32506. Buy both, and I will send them postpaid. Please contact OFF LIST stevehprr AT cox DOT net.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

lrkdbn
 

Sean send me your US mail address and I will send you a photocopy
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

radiodial868
 

By coincidence, its sister kit (#1006) just came out of the paint shop.  It's the 1906 8' high version (vs the 1908 8'-6"). Same kit otherwise.  Has to be one of the better F&Cs, the radial roof casting is massive and fit down into the sides & ends perfectly all the way around. The trusses went in rather quickly. A couple of tricks I learned doing these is to string the fishing line alongside the queen posts, and then when all done and tied & glued off (do not overtighten), lift them up onto the queen post tips and then spot glue.  Nice taught trusses.  I run the line through the turnbuckles (I can see Bill Welch cringe), but the reliability loss and assembly grief is not worth the effort of trying to make them see-through.  Another is to do the brake rigging after the trusses are in except for the train line and drill as many holes ahead of the truss install you can.

Paint is Tru-Color TCP-193 NP 1930-45 Freight Car Brown over Vallejo Poly Primer (do not use the Tru-Color Primer).  The decals are crap, and if you can afford it, do as Bill says and use Microscale or Speedwich or something. Or you can do as I do and use the F&C blobs and pick the best ones from all the ones they provide.  The set includes ones for #1006-1008, so be sure to use the right ones.  I'm already dumping an extra $16 in parts and materials into what is a $24 kit, so buying decals is something I try to avoid. 
As a side note, this would make a good kit for someone who was relatively new and wanted a truss rod kit that goes together well.  Just be sure to spend the money and get at least one Coffman right-angle clamp.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: USRA Cabooses

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

John LaRue wrote:

 
Re: USRA Cabooses 
From: mofwcaboose
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:26:46 PDT 
The B&M cabooses were second hand from the Lehigh & New England. B&M C-90 - C-92 were from the L&NE series 574 - 578, built by Magor in 1931. B&M cabooses C-93 - C-95 were former L&NE 571 - 573, built by PSC in 1929..


This is all swell sand good, John, but as our late friend Harry A. Frye would also tell you were he still with us the L&HR cabeese that the B&M received boar little or no resemblance to the USRA cabeese.

Cordially, Don Valetine

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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Sean Murphy
 

Bill,

I believe that is a different car.

Larry,

If you have an article or photos on them, I would be interested. I have the 1922 CBD.

Everyone,

The history on this car I believe is that they are from the 17000 series which were renumbered to the 31000 series during the 1930's. They were then cut up, sold, or moved to company / MOW service by the 1951. Since I model Sept.1950 on the GN, only 2-3 cars from NP records were still in interchange at this point. I am working on the kit currently and it is my first F&C.

I'm starting my dive into the resin world and it brings me back to the fun I had assembling blue box kits 20 years ago. I'm an architect, but now enjoy locomotive / rolling stock building and research more than almost any other aspect of the hobby. Go figure...


More Pacific Electric USRA Cabooses

Andy Carlson
 



Number 1981 with an odd (for a caboose) reweigh date of 1953.

-Andy Carlson


Re: Not a good sign

Tony Thompson
 

Roger Huber wrote:

So what's going on that no one is stocking anything? Are we going to be forced to order from The Backorder Hobby Shop (Walthers)? Is this a trend, a fluke or what?

     Well, summer IS the slow time in the hobby (for most people). 
     Roger's description of Walthers reminds of an event years ago. I had ordered the Alexander pillar crane kit from Walthers, but it was out of stock. And stayed out of stock. Literally years went by, and I had totally forgotten it. Then one day a package appeared in the mail, and it was the crane kit. It took a minute to remember, yes! I once ordered this. So at least they have long memories.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Not a good sign

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Pierre,

Well that's certainly not good news. Great products and always nice to order from too.

On a similar note, yesterday I went on several shop websites trying to stock up on many different items from various manufacturers. I came out with almost nothing! Even places like Kleins had more "0 In Stock" items than "X In Stock" items. Scary! They were my favoritet go-to place. I know they have changed their business model but does that mean you can't even mail order from them now? I tried the new Caboose Hobbies and they seem to have nothing in their new store. It wasn't just those 2 places. So what's going on that no one is stocking anything? Are we going to be forced to order from The Backorder Hobby Shop (Walthers)? Is this a trend, a fluke or what?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, 11:10:29 AM CDT, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:


Just tried calling Reboxx today, the number is disconnected.
I have this sinking feeling that semi-scale wheelsets are going to
become a little more of a challenge

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com





Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Benjamin Hom
 

Ken Adams asked:
"A little OT but isn't this the box car almost ready to arrive on our shores in RTR form from Rapido?"

No.  The Rapido car is a different prototype.


Ben Hom





Re: Funaro & Camerlengo 1008 40' Boxcar NP 1918

Ken Adams
 

A little OT but isn't this the box car almost ready to arrive on our shores in RTR form from Rapido?


Re: USRA Cabooses

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
About 25+ years ago The Car Shop produced an etched brass model of these cars in O and HO scales.
Occasionally, one shows up on EBay.
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio


Not a good sign

Pierre Oliver
 

Just tried calling Reboxx today, the number is disconnected.
I have this sinking feeling that semi-scale wheelsets are going to become a little more of a challenge

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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