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Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Those are not bells, Tim, but vacuum breakers to prevent overrunning of the water.

Bill Daniels


On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

That is a great clinic Stephen!  I used to solder a lot for my job but now we just pitch the bad cca and get a new one.  I will have to break out the soldering tools and give it a go on the little surface mount LEDs.

Scott McDonald


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Scott
 

That is a great clinic Stephen!  I used to solder a lot for my job but now we just pitch the bad cca and get a new one.  I will have to break out the soldering tools and give it a go on the little surface mount LEDs.

Scott McDonald


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Tim O'Connor
 


Jim what's with the bells (?) on top of the water standpipes? I've never
noticed that before. None of the SP standpipes I've seen have that feature.

Tim O'Connor

====================

 I have got quite a few requests off line for photos of engine service areas with lights as originally requested by Bob.  So OK.

      The photos as I stated are by Wade Stevenson who worked for the Milwaukee Road at Othello, WA. and passed on a few years ago.   Photos were believed to be taken in the 1950s, and most likely 1952-1956, so right in the transition era. I have reduced the pixel count on these photos by about 1/3 to 1/4 of original.

       Wade had notebooks with captions of all his photos however in the move from his house to assisted living, much of this was lost. I presented on some of that last year at RPM meets.

First photo with #1171 (this is the STEAM freight car list, right?) (1) On the left next to the passenger car is a light rather high up on the pole with conduit running down the pole to a switch about the level of the lower window sill. This is duplicated (2) on the next pole to the right, next to the locomotives pilot. Here the switch and conduit can be seen more clearly. The light is mounted lower and the pole is strapped to a stubbed post. Also note that this pole has pole steps, no need for boots with spurs here. As a point of interest, almost ALL the poles in the photos I checked have pole steps. Please check the photos of your favorite railroad to see if the above is a common feature with them. (3) Then there is the lower pole on the far right. (A dead end pole is the correct term, as the power supply line terminates there.)  Lastly (4) the concrete support structure for the cinder handling apparatus has a pole mounted and a line attached to it, which supports and supplies a light in the center of the ashpit operations off to the right out of the picture.

Next photos: Here just after the end of steam on the western end of the NP (about 1955-56) is a photo from which several lights are mounted can be found. The pole central to the photo has two crossarms with a third arm mounted perpendicular. The photo show the left and right lights mounted on this third cross arm with the center light mounted on one of the parallel pair. As I commented earlier, pole steps are evident here also. Also conduit running down to an electrical switch box which is just above the height of the locomotive walkway behind it. Note also the light mounted on the pole at right. Cinders abundantly in evidence here right up to the railheads with stones or concrete blocks either containing walks or serving as walks themselves.

Planks or duckboards (  http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/08/duckboards.html ) on the lower left in a vain attempt to keep cinders out of the nearby office structure. Note the varied heights of the poles.
Much to study in these photos - for those who wish to see.

Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN

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Unknown Covered Hopper Photo

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

I say unknown covered hopper meaning unknown to me. Can anyone help identify the second car in the photo? It appears to be a covered hopper possibly made from a hopper with roof and hatches added. The photo was taken in 1951 westbound on the B&O Old Main Line on the daily local freight. The first car is the LCL car, possibly an M-26. The photo is from the B&ORRHS Collection. Thank you for any assistance.

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Steve SANDIFER
 

These are very easy to make using Grandt Line 5062 light shades, Ngineering tubing, and 603 LEDs. I have many on my layout. I use bamboo skewers as light poles. You can get other lamp shades from Shapeways.

http://ssandifer.com/Lay/Howard/Const/LED/LEDClinic.ppt

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Yard Light Poles

 

 I have got quite a few requests off line for photos of engine service areas with lights as originally requested by Bob.  So OK.

      The photos as I stated are by Wade Stevenson who worked for the Milwaukee Road at Othello, WA. and passed on a few years ago.   Photos were believed to be taken in the 1950s, and most likely 1952-1956, so right in the transition era. I have reduced the pixel count on these photos by about 1/3 to 1/4 of original. 

       Wade had notebooks with captions of all his photos however in the move from his house to assisted living, much of this was lost. I presented on some of that last year at RPM meets. 

First photo with #1171 (this is the STEAM freight car list, right?) (1) On the left next to the passenger car is a light rather high up on the pole with conduit running down the pole to a switch about the level of the lower window sill. This is duplicated (2) on the next pole to the right, next to the locomotives pilot. Here the switch and conduit can be seen more clearly. The light is mounted lower and the pole is strapped to a stubbed post. Also note that this pole has pole steps, no need for boots with spurs here. As a point of interest, almost ALL the poles in the photos I checked have pole steps. Please check the photos of your favorite railroad to see if the above is a common feature with them. (3) Then there is the lower pole on the far right. (A dead end pole is the correct term, as the power supply line terminates there.)  Lastly (4) the concrete support structure for the cinder handling apparatus has a pole mounted and a line attached to it, which supports and supplies a light in the center of the ashpit operations off to the right out of the picture.

Next photos: Here just after the end of steam on the western end of the NP (about 1955-56) is a photo from which several lights are mounted can be found. The pole central to the photo has two crossarms with a third arm mounted perpendicular. The photo show the left and right lights mounted on this third cross arm with the center light mounted on one of the parallel pair. As I commented earlier, pole steps are evident here also. Also conduit running down to an electrical switch box which is just above the height of the locomotive walkway behind it. Note also the light mounted on the pole at right. Cinders abundantly in evidence here right up to the railheads with stones or concrete blocks either containing walks or serving as walks themselves.

Planks or duckboards (  http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/08/duckboards.html ) on the lower left in a vain attempt to keep cinders out of the nearby office structure. Note the varied heights of the poles.
Much to study in these photos - for those who wish to see.

                                                                                   Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

np328
 

 I have got quite a few requests off line for photos of engine service areas with lights as originally requested by Bob.  So OK.

      The photos as I stated are by Wade Stevenson who worked for the Milwaukee Road at Othello, WA. and passed on a few years ago.   Photos were believed to be taken in the 1950s, and most likely 1952-1956, so right in the transition era. I have reduced the pixel count on these photos by about 1/3 to 1/4 of original. 

       Wade had notebooks with captions of all his photos however in the move from his house to assisted living, much of this was lost. I presented on some of that last year at RPM meets. 

First photo with #1171 (this is the STEAM freight car list, right?) (1) On the left next to the passenger car is a light rather high up on the pole with conduit running down the pole to a switch about the level of the lower window sill. This is duplicated (2) on the next pole to the right, next to the locomotives pilot. Here the switch and conduit can be seen more clearly. The light is mounted lower and the pole is strapped to a stubbed post. Also note that this pole has pole steps, no need for boots with spurs here. As a point of interest, almost ALL the poles in the photos I checked have pole steps. Please check the photos of your favorite railroad to see if the above is a common feature with them. (3) Then there is the lower pole on the far right. (A dead end pole is the correct term, as the power supply line terminates there.)  Lastly (4) the concrete support structure for the cinder handling apparatus has a pole mounted and a line attached to it, which supports and supplies a light in the center of the ashpit operations off to the right out of the picture.

Next photos: Here just after the end of steam on the western end of the NP (about 1955-56) is a photo from which several lights are mounted can be found. The pole central to the photo has two crossarms with a third arm mounted perpendicular. The photo show the left and right lights mounted on this third cross arm with the center light mounted on one of the parallel pair. As I commented earlier, pole steps are evident here also. Also conduit running down to an electrical switch box which is just above the height of the locomotive walkway behind it. Note also the light mounted on the pole at right. Cinders abundantly in evidence here right up to the railheads with stones or concrete blocks either containing walks or serving as walks themselves.

Planks or duckboards (  http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/08/duckboards.html ) on the lower left in a vain attempt to keep cinders out of the nearby office structure. Note the varied heights of the poles.
Much to study in these photos - for those who wish to see.

                                                                                   Jim Dick – St. Paul, MN


Re: Steve Hile's new book on UTLX

brianleppert@att.net
 

David,

Why do you think the Ohio Cities Gas Co.car was built by Pennsylvania Tank Car?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Steve Hile's new book on UTLX

David
 

I've been looking through my copy since Tuesday and agree, it is a welcome and immensely useful volume. My only quibble is the attribution of the high-walkway Ohio Cities Gas Co. tanks to Standard Tank Car; I believe the builder was Pennsylvania Tank car. That is a minor point (and a rather murky topic 100 years later) and in no way detracts from the work he did.

David Thompson


Digest bounces

 

Haven't received a digest since Sunday #183. Checked system and came up with 421 server is busy, try again later. Am I the only one?
Dan Smith


Steve Hile's new book on UTLX

Tony Thompson
 

I have just received (and devoured) the new Speedwitch book on UTLX tank cars by Steve Hile. Marvelous book! I wrote a description and commentary for it and posted it to my blog. If you're interested, here is a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/08/terrific-new-book-on-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1

Bill Welch
 

From memory the Sill Tabs are slightly different too. In terms of trickle down for detail parts this car will at a minimum produce a different end Bracket grab, Straight end ladders, several new brake wheels and doors, and two new steel running boards.

Bill Welch


Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1

Dave Boss
 

Hello
          As far as I know  the roof is different. It has no bowties on the end panels. The ends of the car don't have the small rectangle panels at the top of the end it will be just smooth at the very top. Dave

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:33 AM, StephenK <thekays100@...> wrote:
I have been looking at the new body style  PS-1 that Kadee is advertising.   The photo is not great and I am not so good at freight car identification anyway, so can someone please explain the diffierences between the current models and the new, 1947 style?

Thanks,

Steve kay 



Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1

StephenK
 

I have been looking at the new body style  PS-1 that Kadee is advertising.   The photo is not great and I am not so good at freight car identification anyway, so can someone please explain the diffierences between the current models and the new, 1947 style?

Thanks,

Steve kay 


News about Inter Mountain Railway Sole Supplier Shut Down

gtws00
 

I received this letter from IM this morning about the loss of their supplier in China
George Toman


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Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Bob Chaparro
 

Thanks, folks. I'm impressed by the depth of your knowledge.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


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Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Mikebrock
 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar: WAG 4000

 


Just a wild guess, but I'd say orange & white.






Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg
What colors were these cars?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro


Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Mikebrock
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar: WAG 4000

Here’s a color photo off Ebay.


Thanks!



From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@verizon.net>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 5:29 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Boxcar: WAG 4000

Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg
What colors were these cars?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group & Bob!

I call these colors "cream yellow and tangerine orange" but that's just me.  GE specification referred to the yellow as Croydon yellow but I have never been able to corroborate that that was exactly what the Salzberg organization specified.  The orange color has been speculated to have been copied from that of Syracuse University.  However, if you could see the orange on the 4000 vs. that on the C2654 vs. that on the contemporary GE Centercabs, you would appreciate that the best advice for the color would be to 'copy' that you see on the particular car you might model.  The yellow is subtle having hints of brown (very slight) and it has often been mistaken in faded condition as white (old slides dupes?).  My recommendation for the yellow has been Model Master #4209 "Hull Cream" or #4221 "Panama Buff" but others can probably work.

WAG 4000 was B&O M-41 188339, relatively unmodified from the original BR&P 3500-3999 series built in 1914 by SSC.  Two other M-41s were on the WAG but they had been modernized with newer cast-steel trucks, attached ladders, re-done facias, and running boards.  Other than brief trips over to Coudersport on the C&PA, there is no evidence that they went off line after the start of the WAG in 1956.  These cars were exclusively in LCL merchandise service.

Four WAG cars so painted that did go off line were (4100-4103) former Rock Island B-2 (Fowler Clones) that presently might be kit-bashed but for which there is no exact model.

Regards from Grove City, Penna, not far from that SSC plant at Butler that built both caboose and box car.    -----   Mike Schleigh 

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 6:30:04 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg

What colors were these cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Boxcar: WAG 4000

Tim O'Connor
 


Just a wild guess, but I'd say orange & white.





Partial black & white view of WAG 4000:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-08-08/WA_G_C-2654_Galeton_6-16-57_Walt_Rudnick.jpg
What colors were these cars?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro

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