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Re: Intermountain 40899

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

The item is not listed as in-stock at Intermountain and they have been caught in the Chinese closure mess. Check Des Plaines, Caboose, Klein and Walthers and other vendors. Somebody out there probably still has some.

I did the CMO and IC cars using Front Range bodies with the ends removed and Intermountain parts. That gave me diagonal panel roofs and some fairly decent ladders for my parts stock.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/3/18 10:17 AM, Tim Meyer wrote:
I am looking for at least 2 Intermountain 40899 modified 1937 boxcar kits. I plan on using them to make CNW riveted side PS 1 boxcars. I have the PS 1 parts.

Thanks 
Tim Meyer 
floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Steve SANDIFER
 

When I first did the clinic, pre-wired 603s were hard to come by. Now you can buy them or 402s on ebay very inexpensively. You certainly want warm white or golden white. I use them for everything.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jon Miller
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On 8/3/2018 7:52 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

Then I realized you are using LEDs.

    I have been using 402 LEDs purchased prewired* for passenger car lights.  I think they would work for those who don't want to do the soldering.  Of course they are a little more expensive.

*  eBay item number: 192364968502 (Just one of multiple listings)

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes. The Springer Archive at Temple Texas Railroad & Heritage Museum is endowed by Fred Springer with the idea that they don’t charge for services. Compare that with some museums that want $50 to scan a photo and up to $150 to use it in a book. Temple also has a team of volunteers who are ex railroad men and a full time archivist. It houses much of the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society archive as well as many other collections.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

 

James SANDIFER wrote:



Send to an archive like the one in Temple that will care for it and share it.

 

     Excellent statement There are archives that you might not be sure will retain a gift and take care of it (or may not even have a long life), and there are archives where materials are not very accessible. Ideally, find out about both aspects before choosing a destination for donations.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 



 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton

charles slater
 

Mike I have a couple of Lofton family photos I can send if Tricia says it is OK. Here is Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows.

Charlie Slater

Pattern Maker for Martin  


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Wish I could help.

Bill

---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
> In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering
> if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that
> they could share as we honor his memory at this meet.  Please advise.

> Thanks,
> Steve Hile
>
>
>





Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton

charles slater
 

Mike here is one I have of Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows. I have a couple of Lofton family shots I can send if you would like, after Tricia says it is OK.

Charlie Slater 


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Cc: 'Mike Skibbe'; Steve and Barb Hile; 'Frank Hodina'
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton
 
Wish I could help.

Bill

---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
> In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering
> if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that
> they could share as we honor his memory at this meet.  Please advise.

> Thanks,
> Steve Hile
>
>
>





Re: PTC or STC?

Tim O'Connor
 


David has said before that PTC frames from about 1912 to 1916 look exactly like
STC underframes built beginning in 1916, when both PTC and STC changed designs.
It's very confusing! :-)

Tim O'



"Why do you think the Ohio Cities Gas Co.car was built by Pennsylvania Tank Car?
Brian Leppert Carson City, NV"


 Standard Car Construction Co. (STC's predecessor) started in 1915 and didn't build cars in quantity until 1916, while high-walkway cars with the stereotypical "STC" underframe appear in the ORER entries for Pennsylvania Tank Line (PTC's leasing arm) as early as 1912.
 David Thompson


Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

Norm Buckhart
 

Tony’s right - even with a responsive museum to the hobby, until someone, usually a volunteer, takes the time to inventory and catalog them and then enter them in a computer system - which could be years - all these items are lost to the hobby.  Good luck getting anything from the UPHS!  The Newberry in Chicago has a vast collection of drawings, correspondence and even some photos - like 50,000 pieces - and they are very nice to talk to - BUT about 80% of their received material are in boxes uncataloged and hence unobtainable and have been sitting there for years.  If anyone has any volunteer time on their hands - they could go to the Newberry and help do some entry work

My interest is to produce decals in O and HO for the hobby in general.  I have no interest in retaining the Heinz material once scanned here.  Craig Ordner at the Temple Railroad Museum in Texas is one of the conscientious and very helpful curators out there and I would recommend any worthwhile donations go there.  The fairly new curator at the California State Railway Museum, Chris Rockwell is also a very responsive person and very helpful.  But again any submissions will need to get in line to be cataloged and entered - and that is a very big operation

those are my thoughts

norm buckhart
 

On Aug 3, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

James SANDIFER wrote:

Send to an archive like the one in Temple that will care for it and share it.

     Excellent statement. There are archives that you might not be sure will retain a gift and take care of it (or may not even have a long life), and there are archives where materials are not very accessible. Ideally, find out about both aspects before choosing a destination for donations.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: water standpipes (was Freight Yard Light Poles)

Dennis Storzek
 

I'm not sure that "vacuum breaker" is the proper description of the bell shaped part's function; I always thought it was the counterweight for a relief valve that prevented water hammer when the filling valve was closed. In the case of the Sheffield model in the ad, it has a spring loaded relief valve down in the pit which serves the same purpose.

Dennis Storzek  


Re: K brake drawings for hopper cars

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 09:20 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Not all K brake installations were the same. I’ve seen photos with the K brake cylinder pointed out towards the end sill and the opposite, with the cylinder pointing towards the slope sheet. 
The USRA twin hoppers were built with KD brake equipment arranged like this. No brake diagram in the 1922 CBC, but there might be something in the 1919, which would be in the public domain.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

Tony Thompson
 

James SANDIFER wrote:

Send to an archive like the one in Temple that will care for it and share it.

     Excellent statement. There are archives that you might not be sure will retain a gift and take care of it (or may not even have a long life), and there are archives where materials are not very accessible. Ideally, find out about both aspects before choosing a destination for donations.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton

Bill Welch
 

Wish I could help.

Bill

---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering
if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that
they could share as we honor his memory at this meet. Please advise.

Thanks,
Steve Hile



Re: K brake drawings for hopper cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Not all K brake installations were the same. I’ve seen photos with the K brake cylinder pointed out towards the end sill and the opposite, with the cylinder pointing towards the slope sheet. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Aug 3, 2018, at 12:10 PM, James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:

Ron,

From the N&WHS Archives:


Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:28 AM, ron christensen via Groups.Io <rxensen@...> wrote:
There are pictures of hoppers with K brakes on the web and a couple of drawings that indicate copyright, but I have not found any that can be used for a clinic on brakes.
Any help would be appreciated
Ron Christensen



Photos of Martin Lofton

Steve and Barb Hile
 

In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that they could share as we honor his memory at this meet.  Please advise.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile


Re: water standpipes (was Freight Yard Light Poles)

Tim O'Connor
 

so where is it?

Actually, Tim, they are on other designs. That big cover on the spouts of some SP water cranes acts as a vacuum breaker.

Bill Daniels
On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


cool, thanks. Obviously not present on some other standpipes.


Those are not bells, Tim, but vacuum breakers to prevent overrunning of the water.

Bill Daniels


Re: K brake drawings for hopper cars

James Brewer
 

Ron,

From the N&WHS Archives:


Hope this helps.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:28 AM, ron christensen via Groups.Io <rxensen@...> wrote:
There are pictures of hoppers with K brakes on the web and a couple of drawings that indicate copyright, but I have not found any that can be used for a clinic on brakes.
Any help would be appreciated
Ron Christensen



Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

 

Hugh and Mike – In the 1980s Byron Rose and I visited the plant and met with the marketing manager.  We were allowed to copy photos in an early Heinz history book, all the photos in the archives plus wander around the plant exterior to identify where the cars were loaded/unloaded/stored.  Much of that info was published in my history sheet for the 2200 series pickle cars.  All of it was published in the pickle special interest group newsletter.  My files also included the 1941 plans.  Because all of my research went with the sale of the business, I no longer have access to the material.   Perhaps the current owner, Andrew Dahm, can be persuaded to share the info. – Al Westerfield

 

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Hello Hugh and Group!

 

What Hugh describes sounds like part of the hand-out material from the national NMRA meet held in Pittsburgh in the early 1990s.  Several of our Group were involved in this endeavor.  The freight car material was provided with permission of the Heinz Co. and had been in their company files for years.

 

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where summer seems to be gasping----Mike Schleigh

 

On Friday, August 3, 2018, 12:10:42 AM EDT, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io <mguill1224@...> wrote:

 

 

I have a set of info that was produced by Heinz in 1941.  It includes 1/4" scale drawings of the pickle and vinegar cars along with paint chips of the yellow and blue paint used on the cars.  Drawings include dimensions and lettering diagrams.  The info was intended for use by model railroaders.  I don't remember when or where I acquired it.  I would like it to go to someone who will make the information available to everyone who is interested in Heinz freight cars.  It should not be in a file drawer which is where I found it tonight.  I had forgotten that I had it.  I think the paint chips alone make the info packet valuable.  I am open to suggestions.  Respectfully submitted by Hugh T Guillaume

 


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Jon Miller
 

On 8/3/2018 7:52 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Then I realized you are using LEDs.

    I have been using 402 LEDs purchased prewired* for passenger car lights.  I think they would work for those who don't want to do the soldering.  Of course they are a little more expensive.

*  eBay item number: 192364968502 (Just one of multiple listings)

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Marklin UP B-50-24 (27) box cars

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-
Offered for purchase.......

UP B-50-24 or 27 cars. Prewar youngstown doors.
 

Marklin Union Pacific 10-pack ACR 40' box cars

 
Hello-
I have a 10 pack set (10 cars in total) of Marklin USA Union Pacific 1937 AAR 40' box cars. With the unique vertical rivet pattern in the middle of each panel. Tony Thompson calls this the "ACR" rivet style, which stands for "Alternating center rivets"
. These cars have 10 unique numbers with various slogans.

List for the 10:6 cars with "Be Specific/Ship Union Pacific" ;3 with large UNION PACFIC on the left car side, UP reporting marks2 with small union pacific on the left car side, U.P. reporting marks1 with small union pacific with 3 painted straight lines. ORW&N reporting marks2 cars with "Road of the Streamliners" ;1 with small union pacific with 3 painted straight lines. U.P. reporting marks1 with small union pacific wit 3 painted straight lines. O.W.R.&N. reporting marks2 cars with "Serves All The West";1 small union pacific with 3 painted straight lines. U.P. reporting marks, with periods1 small union pacific with 3 lines. O.W.R.&N. with periods
Reweigh dates from 7-1949 to 1957. These cars have magnetic knuckle Kadee clone couplers which are truck mounted. Trucks have what appears to be RP25 metal wheels. This is the run with the "bowtie" roof panels. An ambitious modeler could liberate the roof and install Red Caboose roofs. An even more ambitious project would be to remove the sides after paint removal and swap sides with an RC '37 AAR kit and add a pair of South West Scale "Overnight" doors.

Mint new condition. The Marklin container box shows light shelf wear.
The whole 10 pack--Offered for $135.00, shipping by USPS priority mail included. For an additional $15 I will include 10 of the Red Caboose '37 AAR Murphy roofs to replace the wrong PS-1 roofs of the Marklin cars. I accept checks and money orders. for a small fee I also accept PayPal. Contact me off list (Please) for details.<midcentury@...> midcentury at sbcglobal dot net
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





K brake drawings for hopper cars

ron christensen
 

There are pictures of hoppers with K brakes on the web and a couple of drawings that indicate copyright, but I have not found any that can be used for a clinic on brakes.
Any help would be appreciated
Ron Christensen


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 06:48 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:
These are very easy to make using Grandt Line 5062 light shades, Ngineering tubing, and 603 LEDs.
That statement gave me pause for a moment... I'm of an age where we had to use the Campbell pressed brass shades, because the micro bulbs ran too hot to mount in plastic. Then I realized you are using LEDs.

Which brings up another point. Now that we have all sorts of different color temperature LEDs available, keep in mind that all the lights with "pie plate" reflectors we see in old photos used incandescent light bulbs, so be sure to use an LED that gives the proper yellowish light. Mercury vapor lamps were available, but required a ballast transformer, which led to the ubiquitous teardrop shape of outdoor MV lighting fixtures. These pie plate fixtures have no boom for the ballast, therefore are incandescent.

Dennis Storzek