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Re: PTC or STC?
Brian,
Thanks for the updated information. I am sorry that we
did not credit your photo properly.
The relationship between Standard Car Construction Company
(Standard Tank Car Company) and Pennsylvania Tank Car Company must have pretty
convoluted, but symbiotic, at least initially.
Any MCB Class III tank cars (built after May 1917) had to have
the lower running boards, so STC could have only built a small number of high
walkway cars in the short period of time between its founding and the Class III
requirements beginning.
However, we can note that the various PTC high walkway cars
shown in the ORER entries that David Thompson cites all use horizontal brake
wheels, while the two OCGX cars in the book photo demonstrate the use of a level
hand brake on a "stick" that was pretty common on early STC cars. The tall
side facing ladder does match the PTC entries.
So, based on Brian's better photo, the caption should be
updated to read built in 1916, which makes it possible that it was built by STC
or PTC.
I will begin an errata sheet for the book and look forward to
other corrections and assistance.
Thanks,
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of brianleppert@... Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 6:34 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PTC or STC? I own the original photograph. The correct built date is July 1916. The cars were weighed at "SHRN 7 16". Stenciled on the center frame, just to the left of the reporting marks is "REPAIRED & PAINTED BY PEOPLES TK. LINE CO AT COFFEYVILE KANS." There is no mention anywhere of who built the car, maybe because of the repaint. Attached is a detail of OCGX 5255. Other dates stenciled on the underframe seem to read "repacked 7 16 1919" and on the air reservoir "4-19" On the back of the print is stamped "RECEIVED JUL 30 1919 Traffic Department". Geez, the print is 99 years old. Is David claiming that ALL the high-walkway tank cars with Standard Tank Car look-alike underframes were actually built by Pennsylvania Tank Car? Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings
mark_landgraf
usually the freight car diagram book tells whose hand brake equipment that they used
then you'll have to go by date, to figure out which models were available Mark
On Friday, August 3, 2018, 10:12:11 PM EDT, Tim Meyer <floridatenwheeler@...> wrote:
Hi Gene I do not know. It was used on the 42-foot gondolas built for the CNW by GATC in 1956. My paper work has a number 1975-2195 Non-Spin if that means anything. Thanks Tim Meyer floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net
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New CompanyArrowhead: New Hopper Model
The first cars were built in 1958. ACF and Greenville produced cars for PRR in 1959, and Pullman Standard in 1960. Details including trucks, brakes and door mechanisms varied among the orders and the prototypes. Stewart Hobbies produced a model of this car about 20 years ago - albeit with molded on grabs and much less detail. Bowser still offers the car. Tim O'Connor
Built starting in 1960 for the Pennsy so just barely. Pennsy cars are stenciled incorrectly in the video. Hope that is just a preproduction model.
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Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings
Tim Meyer
Hi Gene
I do not know. It was used on the 42-foot gondolas built for the CNW by GATC in 1956. My paper work has a number 1975-2195 Non-Spin if that means anything. Thanks Tim Meyer floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net
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PTC or STC?
David
I believe that most, if not all, of those high-walkway tanks are PTC cars. A century later, there is probably no way to know for certain short of a photo showing the original pressure test data.
As an aside, I did some poking around and I believe the actual STC shop was immediately southeast of downtown Masury, Ohio, and is currently Bull Moose Tube, and that the PTC shop was one or more of the current Lee Industrial Properties and Ohio Steel Sheet and Plate. David Thompson
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Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings
Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
Which one? There were several that enjoyed widespread use. Gene Green
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Re: New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model
Benjamin Hom
Bill Welch wrote: "Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop The first PRR Class H39 hopper was built in September 1958. Ben Hom
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Re: New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model
Built starting in 1960 for the Pennsy so just barely. Pennsy cars are stenciled incorrectly in the video. Hope that is just a preproduction model.
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On Aug 3, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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Re: PTC or STC?
brianleppert@att.net
This discussion is about a photo on page 135 in Steve Hile's new book "UTLX Steam Era Tank Cars". Shown are two high platform tank cars owned by The Ohio Cities Gas Company. Part of the caption reads "built by Standard Tank Car Company in 1914".
I own the original photograph. The correct built date is July 1916. The cars were weighed at "SHRN 7 16". Stenciled on the center frame, just to the left of the reporting marks is "REPAIRED & PAINTED BY PEOPLES TK. LINE CO AT COFFEYVILE KANS." There is no mention anywhere of who built the car, maybe because of the repaint. Attached is a detail of OCGX 5255. Other dates stenciled on the underframe seem to read "repacked 7 16 1919" and on the air reservoir "4-19" On the back of the print is stamped "RECEIVED JUL 30 1919 Traffic Department". Geez, the print is 99 years old. Is David claiming that ALL the high-walkway tank cars with Standard Tank Car look-alike underframes were actually built by Pennsylvania Tank Car? Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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PRR H30
csxt5555
I though I’d share some pics of the H30 kit build. I did 10 of these kits in 1.5 scale. I currently building one as well but I’m not quite this far along. Here are pics from a customer as his begins to take shape.
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New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model
Bill Welch
Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop
Bill Welch
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Re: Intermountain 40899
Doug Dolloff
Gentleman,
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We have just molded those parts and hopefully we can get them in stock very soon. Best regards, Doug Dolloff Senior Vice President InterMountain Railway Co
On Aug 3, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
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PTC or STC?
David
Pennsylvania Tank Line first appears in the February 1912 ORER with a picture of PTX 1001:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=QRs6AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA522 Their entry used a picture of PTX 1061 by December 1912: https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=tboMAQAAIAAJ&pg=GBS.PA998 In May 1915, the picture changed to PTX 1091. Decent picture here: https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=ZPg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA849 The change to the "new" underframe appeared on PTX 3500 in May 1917: https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=O_c4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA915 The more familiar cast tank saddles seem to have started circa 1918. Standard Car Equipment Co. first appears in the January 1916 ORER. The first picture appears in February 1917: https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=ZPg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA945 And as a bonus, here are some pre-1917 German/General American tanks: https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=Wgs5AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA923 https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=Wgs5AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA943 David Thompson
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Universal Hand Brake Drawings
Tim Meyer
I am looking for drawings for vertical wheel type Universal hand brake. I would like to make it in 1-1/2" scale
Thanks Tim Meyer floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net
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Re: water standpipes (was Freight Yard Light Poles)
np328
Tim, I wrote “I believe that the water columns in the photos are of the Poage design", and then you post an image of...………..a Sheffield design asking "so where is it? Apples, oranges Tim....? Of water hammer Dennis, I have copies of some internal NP paperwork regarding the standpipe at the NP’s Rice’s Point facility in Duluth, MN. The facility was at the base of the surrounding hills and about 14 inches above Lake Superior's mean water level. (Yes, the inspection pits in the roundhouse were waterproofed, and yes, in times of storms if the wind was right, waves from the bay could and did wash up on the south railroad tracks of the yard. A break wall was put in to deal with it. However if you go there today, it has all changed with the freeway adjacent.) However, regarding freight car content, I think this is getting close to where the Sherriff may come in. Too nice a day here to risk jailtime. Jim Dick - Roseville.
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Re: Intermountain 40899
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Tim,
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The item is not listed as in-stock at Intermountain and they have been caught in the Chinese closure mess. Check Des Plaines, Caboose, Klein and Walthers and other vendors. Somebody out there probably still has some. I did the CMO and IC cars using Front Range bodies with the ends removed and Intermountain parts. That gave me diagonal panel roofs and some fairly decent ladders for my parts stock. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🏴
On 8/3/18 10:17 AM, Tim Meyer wrote:
I am looking for at least 2 Intermountain 40899 modified 1937 boxcar kits. I plan on using them to make CNW riveted side PS 1 boxcars. I have the PS 1 parts.
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Re: Freight Yard Light Poles
Steve SANDIFER
When I first did the clinic, pre-wired 603s were hard to come by. Now you can buy them or 402s on ebay very inexpensively. You certainly want warm white or golden white. I use them for everything.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jon Miller
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 10:47 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Freight Yard Light Poles
On 8/3/2018 7:52 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I have been using 402 LEDs purchased prewired* for passenger car lights. I think they would work for those who don't want to do the soldering. Of course they are a little more expensive. * eBay item number: 192364968502 (Just one of multiple listings) -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info
Steve SANDIFER
Yes. The Springer Archive at Temple Texas Railroad & Heritage Museum is endowed by Fred Springer with the idea that they don’t charge for services. Compare that with some museums that want $50 to scan a photo and up to $150 to use it in a book. Temple also has a team of volunteers who are ex railroad men and a full time archivist. It houses much of the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society archive as well as many other collections.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 11:48 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info
James SANDIFER wrote:
Excellent statement There are archives that you might not be sure will retain a gift and take care of it (or may not even have a long life), and there are archives where materials are not very accessible. Ideally, find out about both aspects before choosing a destination for donations.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton
charles slater
Mike I have a couple of Lofton family photos I can send if Tricia says it is OK. Here is Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows. Charlie Slater Pattern Maker for Martin
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 9:46 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io Cc: 'Mike Skibbe'; Steve and Barb Hile; 'Frank Hodina' Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton Wish I could help.
Bill ---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote: > In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering > if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that > they could share as we honor his memory at this meet. Please advise. > > Thanks, > Steve Hile > > >
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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton
charles slater
Mike here is one I have of Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows. I have a couple of Lofton family shots I can send if you would like, after Tricia says it is OK. Charlie Slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 9:46 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io Cc: 'Mike Skibbe'; Steve and Barb Hile; 'Frank Hodina' Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton Wish I could help.
Bill ---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote: > In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering > if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that > they could share as we honor his memory at this meet. Please advise. > > Thanks, > Steve Hile > > >
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