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Re: PTC or STC?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Brian,
 
Thanks for the updated information.  I am sorry that we did not credit your photo properly.
 
The relationship between Standard Car Construction Company (Standard Tank Car Company) and Pennsylvania Tank Car Company must have pretty convoluted, but symbiotic, at least initially.
 
Any MCB Class III tank cars (built after May 1917) had to have the lower running boards, so STC could have only built a small number of high walkway cars in the short period of time between its founding and the Class III requirements beginning.
 
However, we can note that the various PTC high walkway cars shown in the ORER entries that David Thompson cites all use horizontal brake wheels, while the two OCGX cars in the book photo demonstrate the use of a level hand brake on a "stick" that was pretty common on early STC cars.  The tall side facing ladder does match the PTC entries.
 
So, based on Brian's better photo, the caption should be updated to read built in 1916, which makes it possible that it was built by STC or PTC.
 
I will begin an errata sheet for the book and look forward to other corrections and assistance.
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile



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This discussion is about a photo on page 135 in Steve Hile's new book "UTLX Steam Era Tank Cars".  Shown are two high platform tank cars owned by The Ohio Cities Gas Company.  Part of the caption reads "built by Standard Tank Car Company in 1914".

I own the original photograph.  The correct built date is July 1916.  The cars were weighed at "SHRN 7 16".  Stenciled on the center frame, just to the left of the reporting marks is "REPAIRED & PAINTED BY PEOPLES TK. LINE CO AT COFFEYVILE KANS."  There is no mention anywhere of who built the car, maybe because of the repaint.  Attached is a detail of OCGX 5255.

Other dates stenciled on the underframe seem to read  "repacked 7 16 1919" and on the air reservoir "4-19"  On the back of the print is stamped "RECEIVED JUL 30 1919 Traffic Department".  Geez, the print is 99 years old.

Is David claiming that ALL the high-walkway tank cars with Standard Tank Car look-alike underframes were actually built by Pennsylvania Tank Car?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings

mark_landgraf
 

usually the freight car diagram book tells whose hand brake equipment that they used

then you'll have to go by date, to figure out which models were available

Mark


On Friday, August 3, 2018, 10:12:11 PM EDT, Tim Meyer <floridatenwheeler@...> wrote:


Hi Gene

I do not know. It was used on the 42-foot gondolas built for the CNW by GATC in 1956. My paper work has a number 1975-2195 Non-Spin if that means anything.

Thanks

Tim Meyer

floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net

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New CompanyArrowhead: New Hopper Model

Tim O'Connor
 


The first cars were built in 1958. ACF and Greenville produced cars for PRR
in 1959, and Pullman Standard in 1960. Details including trucks, brakes and
door mechanisms varied among the orders and the prototypes.

Stewart Hobbies produced a model of this car about 20 years ago - albeit with
molded on grabs and much less detail. Bowser still offers the car.

Tim O'Connor



Built starting in 1960 for the Pennsy so just barely. Pennsy cars are stenciled incorrectly in the video. Hope that is just a preproduction model.

Brian J. Carlson

Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop

Bill Welch


Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings

Tim Meyer
 

Hi Gene

I do not know. It was used on the 42-foot gondolas built for the CNW by GATC in 1956. My paper work has a number 1975-2195 Non-Spin if that means anything.

Thanks

Tim Meyer

floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net


PTC or STC?

David
 

I believe that most, if not all, of those high-walkway tanks are PTC cars. A century later, there is probably no way to know for certain short of a photo showing the original pressure test data.

As an aside, I did some poking around and I believe the actual STC shop was immediately southeast of downtown Masury, Ohio, and is currently Bull Moose Tube, and that the PTC shop was one or more of the current Lee Industrial Properties and Ohio Steel Sheet and Plate.

David Thompson


Re: Universal Hand Brake Drawings

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Which one?  There were several that enjoyed widespread use.
Gene Green


Re: New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop

The first PRR Class H39 hopper was built in September 1958.


Ben Hom


Re: New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model

Brian Carlson
 

Built starting in 1960 for the Pennsy so just barely. Pennsy cars are stenciled incorrectly in the video. Hope that is just a preproduction model. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 3, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop

Bill Welch


Re: PTC or STC?

brianleppert@att.net
 

This discussion is about a photo on page 135 in Steve Hile's new book "UTLX Steam Era Tank Cars".  Shown are two high platform tank cars owned by The Ohio Cities Gas Company.  Part of the caption reads "built by Standard Tank Car Company in 1914".

I own the original photograph.  The correct built date is July 1916.  The cars were weighed at "SHRN 7 16".  Stenciled on the center frame, just to the left of the reporting marks is "REPAIRED & PAINTED BY PEOPLES TK. LINE CO AT COFFEYVILE KANS."  There is no mention anywhere of who built the car, maybe because of the repaint.  Attached is a detail of OCGX 5255.

Other dates stenciled on the underframe seem to read  "repacked 7 16 1919" and on the air reservoir "4-19"  On the back of the print is stamped "RECEIVED JUL 30 1919 Traffic Department".  Geez, the print is 99 years old.

Is David claiming that ALL the high-walkway tank cars with Standard Tank Car look-alike underframes were actually built by Pennsylvania Tank Car?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


PRR H30

csxt5555
 

I though I’d share some pics of the H30 kit build. I did 10 of these kits in 1.5 scale. I currently building one as well but I’m not quite this far along. Here are pics from a customer as his begins to take shape.


New Company—Arrowhead: New Hopper Model

Bill Welch
 

Not sure if this new model fits our time frame here because if it came after October 1955 it does not exist in my little universe but just in case: https://arrowheadmodels.com./collections/shop

Bill Welch


Re: Intermountain 40899

Doug Dolloff
 

Gentleman,
     We have just molded those parts and hopefully we can get them in stock very soon. 

Best regards,
Doug Dolloff
Senior Vice President
InterMountain Railway Co


On Aug 3, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Tim,

The item is not listed as in-stock at Intermountain and they have been caught in the Chinese closure mess. Check Des Plaines, Caboose, Klein and Walthers and other vendors. Somebody out there probably still has some.

I did the CMO and IC cars using Front Range bodies with the ends removed and Intermountain parts. That gave me diagonal panel roofs and some fairly decent ladders for my parts stock.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/3/18 10:17 AM, Tim Meyer wrote:
I am looking for at least 2 Intermountain 40899 modified 1937 boxcar kits. I plan on using them to make CNW riveted side PS 1 boxcars. I have the PS 1 parts.

Thanks 
Tim Meyer 
floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net


PTC or STC?

David
 

Pennsylvania Tank Line first appears in the February 1912 ORER with a picture of PTX 1001:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=QRs6AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA522

Their entry used a picture of PTX 1061 by December 1912:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=tboMAQAAIAAJ&pg=GBS.PA998

In May 1915, the picture changed to PTX 1091. Decent picture here:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=ZPg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA849

The change to the "new" underframe appeared on PTX 3500 in May 1917:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=O_c4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA915

The more familiar cast tank saddles seem to have started circa 1918.


Standard Car Equipment Co. first appears in the January 1916 ORER. The first picture appears in February 1917:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=ZPg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA945


And as a bonus, here are some pre-1917 German/General American tanks:
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=Wgs5AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA923
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=Wgs5AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA943

David Thompson


Universal Hand Brake Drawings

Tim Meyer
 

I am looking for drawings for vertical wheel type Universal hand brake. I would like to make it in 1-1/2" scale

Thanks
Tim Meyer
floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net


Re: water standpipes (was Freight Yard Light Poles)

np328
 

    

Tim, 

   I wrote “I believe that the water columns in the photos are of the Poage design", and then you post an image of...………..a Sheffield design asking "so where is it? 

         Apples, oranges Tim....?  

         Of water hammer Dennis, I have copies of some internal NP paperwork regarding the standpipe at the NP’s Rice’s Point facility in Duluth, MN. The facility was at the base of the surrounding hills and about 14 inches above Lake Superior's mean water level. (Yes, the inspection pits in the roundhouse were waterproofed, and yes, in times of storms if the wind was right, waves from the bay could and did wash up on the south railroad tracks of the yard. A break wall was put in to deal with it. However if you go there today, it has all changed with the freeway adjacent.) 
        The railroad had hooked up to the municipal water supply in the 1920’s with an 12 inch ci pipe. The city authorities reported to the NP that at times there were reports of significant water hammering by business’s in the multi-block area surrounding the roundhouse. It was tracked down to the opening and closing of the railroads standpipe. The supply pipe from the city mains was then rerouted back to the railroads water tanks, the pipes to the standpipes were re-plumbed to the water tanks and these provided a buffer to the several hundred feet of rushing water from the city main.   

    Tim, there are two Sheffield brochures currently on eBay that could provide an answer to your question if you are interested in following up on it. I will follow my modeled railroads standard plans.

       However, regarding freight car content, I think this is getting close to where the Sherriff may come in. Too nice a day here to risk jailtime.                                    Jim Dick - Roseville.

 


Re: Intermountain 40899

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

The item is not listed as in-stock at Intermountain and they have been caught in the Chinese closure mess. Check Des Plaines, Caboose, Klein and Walthers and other vendors. Somebody out there probably still has some.

I did the CMO and IC cars using Front Range bodies with the ends removed and Intermountain parts. That gave me diagonal panel roofs and some fairly decent ladders for my parts stock.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/3/18 10:17 AM, Tim Meyer wrote:
I am looking for at least 2 Intermountain 40899 modified 1937 boxcar kits. I plan on using them to make CNW riveted side PS 1 boxcars. I have the PS 1 parts.

Thanks 
Tim Meyer 
floridatenwheeler at verizon dot net


Re: Freight Yard Light Poles

Steve SANDIFER
 

When I first did the clinic, pre-wired 603s were hard to come by. Now you can buy them or 402s on ebay very inexpensively. You certainly want warm white or golden white. I use them for everything.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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On 8/3/2018 7:52 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

Then I realized you are using LEDs.

    I have been using 402 LEDs purchased prewired* for passenger car lights.  I think they would work for those who don't want to do the soldering.  Of course they are a little more expensive.

*  eBay item number: 192364968502 (Just one of multiple listings)

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
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Re: Heinz Pickle and Vinegar Car info

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes. The Springer Archive at Temple Texas Railroad & Heritage Museum is endowed by Fred Springer with the idea that they don’t charge for services. Compare that with some museums that want $50 to scan a photo and up to $150 to use it in a book. Temple also has a team of volunteers who are ex railroad men and a full time archivist. It houses much of the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society archive as well as many other collections.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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James SANDIFER wrote:



Send to an archive like the one in Temple that will care for it and share it.

 

     Excellent statement There are archives that you might not be sure will retain a gift and take care of it (or may not even have a long life), and there are archives where materials are not very accessible. Ideally, find out about both aspects before choosing a destination for donations.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 



 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton

charles slater
 

Mike I have a couple of Lofton family photos I can send if Tricia says it is OK. Here is Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows.

Charlie Slater

Pattern Maker for Martin  


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Wish I could help.

Bill

---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
> In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering
> if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that
> they could share as we honor his memory at this meet.  Please advise.

> Thanks,
> Steve Hile
>
>
>





Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Photos of Martin Lofton

charles slater
 

Mike here is one I have of Martin, Frank and me in the sales room at one of the Naperville shows. I have a couple of Lofton family shots I can send if you would like, after Tricia says it is OK.

Charlie Slater 


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Wish I could help.

Bill

---- Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
> In preparation for the 25th "Naperville" RPM meet this fall, I am wondering
> if anyone has a photo, or two of Martin Lofton, who started it all, that
> they could share as we honor his memory at this meet.  Please advise.

> Thanks,
> Steve Hile
>
>
>




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