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Re: ratios
Of course, I model 1944, and a fair amount of tidewater coal was being shipped to New England by rail because of the U-boat threat. On the PRR, “unit” trains of N&W hoppers would come up the Cumberland Valley Branch from Hagerstown Md to Harrisburg PA and then
move north and east on the A&S and Trenton cutoff. There was also substantial C&O hopper traffic over the PRR to the great lakes, even after WWII.
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Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: ratios
Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
One of the things that will skew those numbers of home road cars was the fact that the PRR was one of the largest coal and iron ore carriers in the country, and had a fleet of hopper cars literally second to none dedicated to this service. These cars were pretty much in captive service, so they alone would tend to skew the numbers of home road cars staying on home rails.
Bill Daniels
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Re: DECAL SAVER
Nelson Moyer
I just finished applying Speedwitch decals to a PRR gondola, and I used Micro Set rather than Micro Sol successfully without having to coat first with LDF. All of the decal pieces were small, and if they were bigger, e.g. Everywhere West on a CB&Q box car, I would have coated them first with LDF. Another thing with thin decals, place them accurately and don’t move them around very much. As to setting solution, a little dab will do until they dry, then go back as many times as necessary to settle them down and remove any air bubbles. I use Micro Sol once the first couple of Micro Set applications have dried. The text size on the repack and air reservoir data is very small, and I needed a 10x jeweler’s loop to read the dates.
Nelson Moyer
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Some of the Speedwitch decals are on very thin film and the Microscale LDF to keep them in onepiece as well as with older Microscale decals.
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Re: Hog Fuel
Not saying this is wrong, since ground up bark can well be a part of “Hog Fuel”, but in mills I’ve visited ALL the “slash” (odd pieces of wood) produced in the cutting proccess is sent (usually by conveyors) to the “hog” to be ground up. Bark would be only a small fraction of the wood being ground up. Also many smaller mills did not have the bark-stripping water jets. On reason the logs were put in the ponds in the first place was to soak off the dirt and rocks lodged in the bark, and to loosen the bark. The floating logs (some sink) were also easier to move about and feed into the mill’s jackslip.
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It is common for old log ponds and rivers to have many feet of rotting bark at their bottoms. It’s sometimes a problem when trying to backfill the ponds for redevelopment. The crud won’t support things built upon it. The solution is to either dredge out the material, or drive piles clear through it. With modern log-handling machinery ponds are hardly ever used anymore, and far more powerful mechanical "debarking” machinery is used. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Champ Sinclair decals
Schleigh Mike
I believe never, Clark---- Silver was the color always associated with the large SINCLAIR stenciling. If otherwise, those decals are the only evidence I have ever seen. In Grove City, Penna. Mike Schleigh
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 12:09:20 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
Just noticed my set of Champ Sinclair tank car decals are white. If they are correct, what was the time period they were used?
Thanks!
Clark Propst
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Re: ratios
anthony wagner
Armand, Bruce, et al, In the Jan 1995 Mainline Modler there was an article by John Nehrich about freight car distribution and as part of that article he included a very interesting table dated April 1950 of Freight Operating Statistics of Large Steam Railways compiled by the Bureau of Transportation Economics & Statistics of the ICC. The list included 40 roads and the columns included Freight Cars on Line divided between Home and Foreign, Percent Bad Order, Road Locos on Line broken down into Unstored and Stored and Percent Bad Order. I have not run percentages of home vs foreign but in looking at the table it appears that some roads such as MILW, IC, MP, PRR, and UP had very close to a 50% ratio of home vs foreign cars while many others appeared to have either had a large ratios of home cars or conversly foreign cars. For modelers it seems to me that it depends on what road is being modeled as to what that ratio should be. For me modeling the Pennsy in 1949 in north central PA the 50-50 ratio means that house cars were probably in the 60-70% foreign range while open tops were more like 30% foreign but that is just a guess based on many assumptions about the nature of the traffic, nearby connections, and local industry any of which could easily be incorrect. But, IMO, you've got to start somewhere. It can always be changed if more information surfaces. Tony Wagner
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 11:50 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Haha… my mail handler thought this was junk mail… maybe a message in that, eh Armand?
Maybe you’re forgetting because we haven’t had a discussion of this in the past few weeks to months, but it has come up here with frequency and our archives are full of information.
And you know, just a few days ago, I was looking into a much simpler stat… home road cars on home rails, since the accepted standard for the PRR was around 50%. However the data for Eastern Region in 1944, iirc, was in the mid 30% range and most
importantly, the data for hopper cars was very similar to box cars and both were in the 30% range. That’s a huge difference from my expectations which were that hoppers would be about 75% home road. Now, that’s not strictly PRR, because it is the total for
the entire region, but the PRR, as one of the biggest members of that region, should look pretty similar to the region numbers. I’m going to need a LOT more foreign hoppers!
Regards
Bruce
Bruce
F. Smith
Auburn,
AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Hog Fuel
Jim Sabol
The hogger is that part of the mill’s jackslip (the approach from the log pond to the saw carriage in the mill interior) which shoots water at great force onto the entering log in order to dislodge rocks, spikes, and other debris caught in the bark that wpuld be harmful to the sawblades. The bark thus dislodged is therefore, “hogged” and, in some mills, provides fuel for the boilers. The more finely chopped bark is also used by landscapers and ranchers to improve footing in muddy areas. Most speakers drop the “ed” resulting in the half-term, hog fuel, just as some persons hear “duck” tape for duct tape. Neither hog fuel nor hogged fuel has anything to do with feeding pigs. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Champ Sinclair decals
Clark Propst
Just noticed my set of Champ Sinclair tank car decals are white. If they are correct, what was the time period they were used?
Thanks!
Clark Propst
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Re: 2018 Shake'n'Take project - ERIE 95000 series double door box car
Tony Thompson
I haven't started my kit yet, so I would like to get those ends. Guess procrastination paid off for once! Tony Thompson
On Aug 7, 2018, at 7:35 PM, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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2018 Shake'n'Take project - ERIE 95000 series double door box car
Schuyler Larrabee
All,
A sharp-eyed participant in the Shake’n’Take project this year noticed that the ends supplied by Intermountain Railway Company are not the correct ends. The CAR is correct, but the ENDS are not. Evidently when the 36 kits they supplied for the Shake’n’Take clinic were packed the wrong ends were put in the kit boxes.
If you have finished the car with the supplied ends . . . I’m sorry. I’m REALLY sorry.
I intend to ask Intermountain to supply the correct ends, and assuming they will make good on this, I will mail out the correct ends to each participant. I retained the emails of those who signed up for the clinic, but if you have a kit and need the correct ends, I would appreciate your sending me OFF LIST your mailing address.
My deepest apologies for this SNAFU. I hope I can make it all right.
Schuyler Larrabee.
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Re: Crates
Jared
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My first thought - they look like 3D prints. My second thought - they're about the same size as the RESIN castings from N SCALE of NEVADA, who made some really fine looking lumber loads and boxes and cable reels for HO scale. Tim O'Connor
Groups,
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Crates
Jared Harper
Groups, I just scanned the two crates that I got from a vendor at Collinsville that I cannot identify. He took cash and checks only. Jared Harper
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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1
Bill Keene
Mike,
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I could use a New Haven car. Do not yet have one in the fleet, Come to think about it… I am also lacking a Lackawanna car. Right now it is too hot to work out in the garage where the work bench is located. Maybe this winter during times I get bored building the layout. Cheers Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1
MDelvec952 <MDelvec952@...>
Bill Keene, how about starting to kitbash a 10' IH version to move that up on the Kadee list?
Many of the features are common to this one. New Haven and Lackawanna had close to the entire production of them. (Asked and answered...)
....Mike Del Vecchio
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From: Bill Keene via Groups.Io <bill41@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Tue, Aug 7, 2018 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1 Yup! Another perfect example of start a kit bash project on your work bench and about the time you have completed the “bash” someone will produce a BX-52 in a better model than my modest modeling skills will accomplish.
OK. Where is my royalty check?
Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1
Thanks for sharing that. But why call the "retainer" valve an "AB" valve? I've never seen that term applied to that valve before. After all, retainers were also used for KC and KD brakes and have been used since AB gear itself became obsolete. No mention is made of the new brake wheels and housings and new running boards, which I'm sure has lots of folks even more excited than the box cars! :-) Tim
I got an email from Kadee on this question with a flyer attached. It shows all the changes for what they call the "pre-1950" model.
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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1
Bill Keene
Yup! Another perfect example of start a kit bash project on your work bench and about the time you have completed the “bash” someone will produce a BX-52 in a better model than my modest modeling skills will accomplish.
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OK. Where is my royalty check? Cheers & Happy Modeling, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1
StephenK
I got an email from Kadee on this question with a flyer attached. It shows all the changes for what they call the "pre-1950" model.
Check it out: https://kadee.com/html/pre50_PS-1.pdf S Kay
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Re: Kadee SR boxcar future release
Yes.
Is the upcoming (February 2019) release of the SR 40' boxcar a new version? I'm assuming it's using the new body style of the soon to be released ATSF 1947 style???
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Re: DECAL SAVER
Bill Welch
Some of the Speedwitch decals are on very thin film and the Microscale LDF to keep them in onepiece as well as with older Microscale decals.
Bill Welch
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Re: DECAL SAVER
It's also great for DRY TRANSFERS. The tiny lettering in dry transfers can be very hard to use, so I rub them onto decal paper (Microscale trim film) and then brush over them with the Liquid Decal Film. They can now be applied just like other water slide decals. Tim O'Connor > It's called Liquid Decal Film What Tony said. It's awful looking when applied, but dries very thin and works extremely well. Cleans up with isopropyl alcohol. Dan Kohlberg recommends using the stuff on his Alps-printed decals as they're on very thin film. I used it on some custom decals from the early 1980s and it made the decals quite usable. Craig Zeni
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