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Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1

Tim Meyer
 

The CNW had riveted sides for the orders from September-1948 though July-1951.

Tim Meyer


Re: Kadee's new 1947 body style PS-1

Jim Mischke
 



New Haven's PS-1 boxcars were prone to resale.

Examples of ex-NH 10'-0" inside height PS-1 boxcars were the first blue Port Huron and Detroit boxcars, and the yellow with red lettering AC&Y boxcars.    

Others went to DRGW, LV, CNW, TPW, WAB, and LNAC, I think these were 10'-6" inside height boxcars, hence road names for the new Kadee 1947-vintage tooling.

Were any of these 1950's sales?



Re: brake hose brackets was Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 01:48 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Kadee does one in plastic (and Dennis says Zamac) that is a cast bracket offset to one side
I thought they were Zamac years ago, but they've changed a lot of their parts over to plastic, so could be.

Dennis


brake hose brackets was Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Bruce Smith
 

Jared,

There are a number of  brackets out there. 

PSC does a nice brass one that you can get separately as well as with their hoses that is a “strap” style.

Kadee does one in plastic (and Dennis says Zamac) that is a cast bracket offset to one side

HiTech offers a brass one that is a cast version that has a bigger drop than the PSC and has a strengthening rib

Yarmouth offers the bent strap style with the additional ability to add a separate retaining loop of wire for the hose.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Aug 13, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@...> wrote:

Doesn't the PSC brake hose come with this bracket?

Jared Harper


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Curt Fortenberry
 

Sorry I was sure I had that as a private reply.  

Curt Fortenberry 


brake hose brackets was Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Bruce Smith
 

Jared,

There are a number of  brackets out there. 

PSC does a nice brass one that you can get separately as well as with their hoses that is a “strap” style.

Kadee does one in plastic (and Dennis says Zamac) that is a cast bracket offset to one side

HiTech offers a brass one that is a cast version that has a bigger drop than the PSC and has a strengthening rib

Yarmouth offers the bent strap style with the additional ability to add a separate retaining loop of wire for the hose.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Aug 13, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Jared Harper <harperandbrown@...> wrote:

Doesn't the PSC brake hose come with this bracket?

Jared Harper


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Jared Harper
 

Doesn't the PSC brake hose come with this bracket?

Jared Harper


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Jack Burgess
 

I bought a few dozen air hose brackets from PSC years ago when they first came out and it was PSC part number 39156. It looks like casting 1.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

With that decided, now I have to figure out how to model the air hose bracket on the end of the car ;)

Photo? If it's the cast style the Zamac part Kadee makes should be pretty close. If a bent strap, the PSC part I did the pattern for (I forget what number they gave it) is almost universal.
Brake Hose Brackets
PSC Part

Dennis

Dennis Storzek


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

S. Busch
 


Some very nice brass HO Carmer uncoupling levers are available from Micheal Watnoski at Free State Systems in Maryland:
 
 
 
Cheers -
 
Steve Busch
Duncan, SC


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
With that decided, now I have to figure out how to model the air hose bracket on the end of the car ;)
Photo? If it's the cast style the Zamac part Kadee makes should be pretty close. If a bent strap, the PSC part I did the pattern for (I forget what number they gave it) is almost universal.
Brake Hose Brackets
PSC Part

Dennis

Dennis Storzek


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Bruce Smith
 

Curt, Folks,

Based on the photos, I’m going to go with a combination of lifting lever 2, operating lever 1. I don’t think that these are an exact match for the C&O cars, but they are pretty close. The operating lever has a handle that is well below the pivot, as does OL1, although the angled section on the prototype appears to be a bit more out from the pivot. The lifting lever is straight or nearly straight and LL2 seems the closest for that.

With that decided, now I have to figure out how to model the air hose bracket on the end of the car ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


Bruce,

Did not any of those YMW levers work for this car?  I have this kit but haven't started it yet.

Curt Fortenberry

PS:  Still tentative but I might be in Auburn the 2nd week of October.  I have a couple of work trips stateside a week apart so I'm thinking of visiting my folks in Spanish Fort and I haven't been to the alma mater in a couple decades.


Re: Rock Island Bulk Flour Box Cars 47000 series

rwitt_2000
 

Thanks, for the great feedback. These are interesting conversions of the prototype. Often such conversions were done for a specific Rock Island customer, is that the case for these cars (i.e. would they ever be found off-line)?

Bob Witt


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Curt Fortenberry
 


Bruce,

Did not any of those YMW levers work for this car?  I have this kit but haven't started it yet.

Curt Fortenberry

PS:  Still tentative but I might be in Auburn the 2nd week of October.  I have a couple of work trips stateside a week apart so I'm thinking of visiting my folks in Spanish Fort and I haven't been to the alma mater in a couple decades.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books

Bruce Smith
 

I’m going to guess that we’re about 1.5 to 2 years out…

Regards
Bruce


On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:41 AM, pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Fabulous! Can you give a general idea of when we can see it, too?

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books

pennsylvania1954
 

Fabulous! Can you give a general idea of when we can see it, too?

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Richard;

Good guess.....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books

Box cars?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2018 5:26 am
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car books

Glad you are enjoying them, Richard!

I am working on the next book.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Tank cars with large side vents

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thanks Eric for the Owl Mountain link - the Owl Mountain page is a small education in itself!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars with large side vents

Owl Mountain Models produces HO scale brass castings for these vents. Scroll down on their Detail Parts page to see them

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/detail_parts/detail_parts.html


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On August 12, 2018 at 7:19 PM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Mike,

I've never heard of a dome with a side vent (No doubt here comes the lesson!). Do you mean an "L" or "Y" shaped vent on the dome facing the car end? If so, yes, they were common on cars built up into the early 1920s or so. See my Album #1, WP Tank Cars in our photo section to see what I mean.

If this is what you mean, F&C makes AC&F 8K tanks with these vents in both high and low-walkway models. Many of these tanks were still in use until after WWII, and in MW service into the 1980s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/12/18 6:00 PM, Mike Calo wrote:
Hello group -

Does anyone know of a source for an HO scale model of a tank car with a large side vent on the dome?

Thanks in advance for your help and guidance.

Mike Calo
Odenton MD (the town a railroad built)


Re: Tank cars with large side vents

Eric Hansmann
 

Owl Mountain Models produces HO scale brass castings for these vents. Scroll down on their Detail Parts page to see them

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/detail_parts/detail_parts.html


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On August 12, 2018 at 7:19 PM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Mike,

I've never heard of a dome with a side vent (No doubt here comes the lesson!). Do you mean an "L" or "Y" shaped vent on the dome facing the car end? If so, yes, they were common on cars built up into the early 1920s or so. See my Album #1, WP Tank Cars in our photo section to see what I mean.

If this is what you mean, F&C makes AC&F 8K tanks with these vents in both high and low-walkway models. Many of these tanks were still in use until after WWII, and in MW service into the 1980s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/12/18 6:00 PM, Mike Calo wrote:
Hello group -

Does anyone know of a source for an HO scale model of a tank car with a large side vent on the dome?

Thanks in advance for your help and guidance.

Mike Calo
Odenton MD (the town a railroad built)


Re: Rock Island Bulk Flour Box Cars 47000 series

Steve and Barb Hile
 

RI 47000-47020 were converted for bulk flour service by the railroad in 1956 by locating two round hatches on raised squares one on either side of the running board and either side of the car center line.  A shield shaped hatch was added in the lower left corner of either side and the car was completely lined with plywood (sides, ends and ceiling) attached to the side posts, etc, in lieu of the old wood lining.  This was then coated with a polyester sealer applied over fiber glass netting.  The original cars came from the 145000-145999 series, 10'6" inside height boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car company in 1940.
 
I attach Rock Island photos from the rebuilding project before repainting.
 
Twenty more cars were done in 1957 and 1957 extending the series to 47040.  These cars used 1/4 inch thick MET-L WOOD faced with 0.020 aluminum applied over the original lining.
 
Ross Dando made a run of resin castings some years ago to provide these roof hatches and unloading doors.  You can contact him to get a set at twinstarcars at yahoo dot com.  Please don't reply to the listing.  He won't see it.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rock Island Bulk Flour Box Cars 47000 series

See Hile 'Rock Island Color Guide', page 36.  They were built, and evidently remained in service for some time, although they were a dead end design like other boxcars converted to bulk loading only.  All 21 are still listed in my 65 ORER, so this is a car I could use.

The caption suggests they were made obsolete by covered hopper cars, but I'd think it would have been primarily Airslide cars that would have displaced these.  If you model the right period of time, you might see these cars on a flour mill loading (shipping) siding along with a few Airslides and boxcars for bagged flour.

Only hard part about the conversion might be the stenciling.

Ron Merrick


Re: Tank cars with large side vents

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Mike,

I've never heard of a dome with a side vent (No doubt here comes the lesson!). Do you mean an "L" or "Y" shaped vent on the dome facing the car end? If so, yes, they were common on cars built up into the early 1920s or so. See my Album #1, WP Tank Cars in our photo section to see what I mean.

If this is what you mean, F&C makes AC&F 8K tanks with these vents in both high and low-walkway models. Many of these tanks were still in use until after WWII, and in MW service into the 1980s.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/12/18 6:00 PM, Mike Calo wrote:
Hello group -

Does anyone know of a source for an HO scale model of a tank car with a large side vent on the dome?

Thanks in advance for your help and guidance.

Mike Calo
Odenton MD (the town a railroad built)

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