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vintage reefer cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Please see link below...
 
 
The photo is dated 1916, click on the image, and then click on the image some more to magnify. It shows two reefers, on is possibly a PRR class RF reefer in UNION LINE and DAIRY PRODUCTS paint. The other is lettered in very plain FRISCO REFRIGERATOR LINE lettering.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Jack Burgess
 

First, I have airbrushed the air hoses with Floquil paint and not problems. Also, I have been using Formula 560 Canopy Glue and have never lost a HiTech air hose.

I thought Denny's description of drilling out the hole for the air hose in the P{SC bracket was way too involved until I got out the small piece of paper that I keep with my air hoses which reminds me how to do it each time. Keep in mind that I have a small drill press which helps but it reads:
______
Use needle nose pliers to insert bracket in the side of machinist vise to hold it perpendicular. Hold a piece of wood under the drilling area to keep bracket from bending.

Hole in air hose bracket:
1. Drill dimple with #77 carbide drill bit but don’t drill through [the carbide drill bit won't flex]
2. Drill through with #77 regular drill bit
3. Finish by drilling through with #74 drill bit

Hole for bracket in bottom of car is #73.
______

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] brake hose brackets, etc.

Since their inception, I have used the HiTech hoses in wholesale numbers for years in a variety of installations and to my knowledge I have never had one fall off, or get dislodged. However, all -all- have been mechanically held in place by PSC hangers, drilled holes in styrene blocks, etc., secured with tiny drops of Barge cement or thick ACC. The only cements that I know are likely to hold these soft rubber supple hoses in place for ordinary use without mechanical enclosure are the contact cements, notably Barge Cement. ACC will not do it.

The PSC brake hose hangers are beautiful, but can be a bit frustrating in the drilling-out the hole for the hose itself. I made a crude wood jig to hold the hangers vertically in a vise so that I could easily drill them out to #74, the diameter th beyondat I found best to accommodate the HiTech hoses. Starting out with a #79 pilot hole as Nelson Moyer has suggested, is indeed very good practice. There is an ample dimple to help with centering. I usually will drill out a dozen or more hangers at a time, taking no more than about ten minutes or so in the process. Using a drill press will save a lot of drills- for a variety of reasons.

A side note: The PSC hangers came about directly from the conversations and expressed needs from those on this very list. It was simply amazing then (and now) that not a single HO brake hose hanger was available beyond the esoteric Kadee hangers designed for their fine log cars, and the hangers included in the CalScale kits.

Dennis Storzek then drew up, machined, and generously provided the fine pattern for the PSC casting that we now enjoy. I negotiated with PSC for development of the castings and the resulting agreement to include the part into their standard line.

Mont Switzer and I underwrote minimum production (taking in return- pleasure and product!). I tried every rhetorical trick I knew to persuade PSC to core out the hole for the hose itself, but they felt that it simply was too small in that location to be feasible. The hangers were at the time designed to accept the the brass PSC hoses, i.e. 0.020” #76, but with ordinary care, they readily accommodated the slightly large hole for the excellent HiTech hoses. They are a great combination, and the barely crossed facing hoses look terrific (that is, terrific!) when cars ALSO have scale distances between facing striker plates (29” Accumate Proto -31”Kadee Scale), this -in turn- only enabled by scale couplers.

This lovely scene of scale relationships is easily destroyed by the interfering presence of the magnetic glad hands, and in this regard, I clip these off flush, each and every one of them.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Quarryville, PA


Re: Accurail 41' Gondola List

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for sharing Garth
Fenton

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
Friends,

Attached is the list Bill Welch and Martin Loftin prepared, posted with Bill's O.K.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿




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Re: MKT box car

gary laakso
 

Wonderful model Bill!  What color paint did you use; it is a really fine color?

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MKT box car

 

Here is the MKT model I have done using the Speedwitch kit. Paint is Badger Modelflex MKT Chrome Yellow applied w/Badger 155 AB at 20 psi. I will use this on the MKT War Emergency car I am building too.

Note the square brake staff on the "B" end.

Frankly I do not have the courage or will to weather my model to the extent the prototype photo Tim shared but will use it for pointers.

Bill Welch


Accurail 41' Gondolas Redux

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Before we crowd our bandwidth with messages about the gondola list, let me say that when I dug the piece out I saw that it was actually a list of Sunshine cars, but forgot to say so when I pushed the send key. The closest to the Accurail cars are the 10-post, smooth bottom AAR cars that lead page 2.

This is really a useful piece of information, and belongs in our files (if it isn't there already).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Re: Accurail gondola

Bill Welch
 

To clarify this is a spreadsheet denoting what RR's are good for the Accurail AAR gon and those that are not.

Bill Welch


Accurail 41' Gondola List

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Attached is the list Bill Welch and Martin Loftin prepared, posted with Bill's O.K.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Re: MKT box car

Paul Doggett
 

That’s really nice Bill.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 14 Aug 2018, at 20:35, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Here is the MKT model I have done using the Speedwitch kit. Paint is Badger Modelflex MKT Chrome Yellow applied w/Badger 155 AB at 20 psi. I will use this on the MKT War Emergency car I am building too.

Note the square brake staff on the "B" end.

Frankly I do not have the courage or will to weather my model to the extent the prototype photo Tim shared but will use it for pointers.

Bill Welch

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Re: MKT box car

Bill Welch
 

Here is the MKT model I have done using the Speedwitch kit. Paint is Badger Modelflex MKT Chrome Yellow applied w/Badger 155 AB at 20 psi. I will use this on the MKT War Emergency car I am building too.

Note the square brake staff on the "B" end.

Frankly I do not have the courage or will to weather my model to the extent the prototype photo Tim shared but will use it for pointers.

Bill Welch


1948 PS-1 for P&WV

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ed and gang;

Do you know if Kadee is planning on doing the PS-1 they did for P&WV? It appears the P&WV cars differ from the ATSF cars in that they have the "wide panel at the tack boards" Superior doors, but in most ways are the same.

And do you know if they came as-built in the "no logo" scheme with red sides & roof and black ends? The as-built photo looks like it, but I never know until someone who knows better tells me.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thank you, Bill! Did you do a full load, or one of the 9 container versions?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of william darnaby
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

I did one several years ago for Martin Lofton when the 46' gon kit first came out. The Walthers containers work very nicely.


Bill Darnaby


________________________________

From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: "realstmfc@groups.io" <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons


Gang;


Have any of you done a NKP container gon, specifically the ones with containers for powdered dolomite? I think Sunshine did a kit of the car; what did you use for containers?


Thanks!


Elden Gatwood


Re: NKP container gons

william darnaby
 

I did one several years ago for Martin Lofton when the 46' gon kit first came out.  The Walthers containers work very nicely.

Bill Darnaby



From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: "realstmfc@groups.io" <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

Gang;

Have any of you done a NKP container gon, specifically the ones with containers for powdered dolomite?  I think Sunshine did a kit of the car; what did you use for containers?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood






Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Nelson Moyer
 

Ah yes, my dyslexia strikes again. Thank you for the correction.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 11:23 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] brake hose brackets, etc.

 

Nelson Moyer wrote:



Formula 506 Canopy Glue from Pacer. Dries clear, and a little dab will do. You’ll find it at any hobby shop that caters to model airplane enthusiasts.

 

   Um, no, it's actually Formula 560. And nowadays, progressive model railroad shops carry it too.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

And I'm not sure which is the latest but I have one bottle, green label from ZAP canopy glue with formula 560 under that.


         Pacer Technology sells canopy glue under both the Pacer and Zap names. Same stuff. For some background, including the foregoing observation and photos of glue bottles, you might like to read my post about canopy glue, which is at this link:


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Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/14/2018 9:22 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:

   Um, no, it's actually Formula 560. And nowadays, progressive model railroad shops carry it too.

And I'm not sure which is the latest but I have one bottle, green label from ZAP canopy glue with formula 560 under that.

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Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

Formula 506 Canopy Glue from Pacer. Dries clear, and a little dab will do. You’ll find it at any hobby shop that caters to model airplane enthusiasts.

   Um, no, it's actually Formula 560. And nowadays, progressive model railroad shops carry it too.

Tony Thompson




Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:00 AM, Denny Anspach wrote:
Dennis Storzek then drew up, machined, and generously provided the fine pattern for the PSC casting that we now enjoy. I negotiated with PSC for development of the castings and the resulting agreement to include the part into their standard line.
Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I might mention, one of the points of resistance to adding a part to a line like PSC, or cast white metal for that matter, is they need more than one pattern to go into production. Yes, they CAN work from a single pattern, replicating it in house by casting single parts until they have enough "sub masters", but it's a lot more work, and the finished parts will have an extra generation of casting shrinkage, if that matters (not that it really does on these parts). I think I was able to help things along by providing ten or twelve complete patterns, which eased the pain of going right to production.

Just food for thought for anyone else contemplating commissioning a new part.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail gondola

al_brown03
 

There's a spreadsheet in the Files section entitled "Accurail 41' gon".

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Accurail gondola

Bill Welch
 

I do not remember doing such a list, sorry Garth. The Accurail gon is a good representation of the AAR gon. Here is my Georgia version under construction substituting Detail Associates Improved Dreadnaught ends. Also two photos in Primmer. I will post finished photos as soon as I find them.

Bill Welch


Re: brake hose brackets, etc.

Schleigh Mike
 

Thank you Denny, Dennis, and Mont---

Nice legacy for the future!

Regards from Grove City, Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:00:11 AM EDT, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:


Since their inception, I have used the HiTech hoses in wholesale numbers for years in a variety of installations and to my knowledge I have never had one fall off, or get dislodged. However, all  -all- have been mechanically held in place by PSC hangers, drilled holes in  styrene blocks, etc., secured with tiny drops of Barge cement or thick ACC.  The only cements that I know are likely to  hold these soft rubber supple hoses in place for ordinary use  without mechanical enclosure are the contact cements, notably Barge Cement. ACC will not do it.

The PSC brake hose hangers are beautiful, but can be a bit frustrating in the drilling-out the hole for the hose itself.  I made a crude wood jig to hold the hangers vertically in a vise so that I could easily drill them out to #74, the diameter th beyondat I found best to accommodate the HiTech hoses.  Starting out with a #79 pilot hole as Nelson Moyer has suggested, is indeed very good practice.  There is an ample dimple to help with centering.  I usually will drill out a dozen or more hangers at a time, taking no more than about ten minutes or so in the process. Using a drill press will save a lot of drills- for a variety of reasons.

A side note:  The PSC hangers came about directly from the conversations and expressed needs from those on this very list.  It was simply amazing then (and now) that not a single HO brake hose hanger was available  beyond the esoteric Kadee hangers designed for their fine log cars, and the hangers included in the CalScale kits.

Dennis Storzek then drew up, machined, and generously provided the fine pattern for the PSC casting that we now enjoy.  I negotiated with PSC for development of the castings and the resulting agreement to include the part into their standard line.

Mont Switzer and I underwrote minimum production (taking in return-  pleasure and product!).  I tried every rhetorical  trick I knew to persuade PSC to core out the hole for the hose itself, but they felt that it simply was too small in that location to be feasible.  The hangers were at the time designed to accept the the brass PSC hoses, i.e. 0.020” #76, but with ordinary care,  they readily accommodated the slightly large hole for the excellent HiTech hoses. They are a great combination, and the barely crossed facing hoses look terrific (that is, terrific!) when cars ALSO have scale distances between facing striker plates (29” Accumate Proto -31”Kadee Scale), this -in turn- only enabled by scale couplers.

This lovely scene of scale relationships is easily destroyed by the interfering presence of the magnetic glad hands, and in this regard, I clip these off flush, each and every one of them.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Quarryville, PA



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