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Re: Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Six

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Bill, well done
Fenton

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I am behind on reporting about my progress with my Wabash War Emergency boxcar. Most recently I focused on shortening the ends, cutting off the Poling Pockets and the rivet strip along the bottom w/,y UUM saw blade and sanding just a little until the bottom of the ends were even with the floor. Then I used 0.005 styrene to create a new rivet base for the Archer Rivets along the bottom. Before decaling I prepped the surface with Future/Pledge. After the decals were set w/Microscale Red Label I applied more Future/Pledge. I use .010 wire for the Retainer Line Pipe and the same wire size flattened to form the two pipe brackets. The retainer is my favored Precision Scale part. I used the Yarmouth Drill Template to locate and drill the #77 holes for a Kadee Bracket Grab. I actually enjoy bending wire and so making the Hand Grab that is under the ladder was fun because it is a little unusual.. I drilled several holes along the center of a piece of Evergreen .020 x .040 and cut this into small lengths that became the mounting tabs for the bottom grab on the right. I used Testors to attach these. After these had cured overnight and I then reinforced this joint with small pieces of .020 x .020 styrene. After I was sure this was all cured I carved them to shape. I wrapped up detailing the ends by adding Bolt Heads on the face of the ribs using rivets harvested from an Athearn boxcar.

The Grab Irons on the left end of the sides are attached in an interesting way I think—on the car body the attachment bolt is above the grab while on the side of the end the bolt is horizontally aligned with the grab. Towards the end of construction and prior to priming I will apply Archer rivets to the edge of the ends. My plan here is to use Rivet Decals with a slightly different spacing to create a little contrast with the rivet detail on the wood siding that will be parallel.

Bill Welch




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Wabash War Emergency Boxcar Part Six

Bill Welch
 

I am behind on reporting about my progress with my Wabash War Emergency boxcar. Most recently I focused on shortening the ends, cutting off the Poling Pockets and the rivet strip along the bottom w/,y UUM saw blade and sanding just a little until the bottom of the ends were even with the floor. Then I used 0.005 styrene to create a new rivet base for the Archer Rivets along the bottom. Before decaling I prepped the surface with Future/Pledge. After the decals were set w/Microscale Red Label I applied more Future/Pledge. I use .010 wire for the Retainer Line Pipe and the same wire size flattened to form the two pipe brackets. The retainer is my favored Precision Scale part. I used the Yarmouth Drill Template to locate and drill the #77 holes for a Kadee Bracket Grab. I actually enjoy bending wire and so making the Hand Grab that is under the ladder was fun because it is a little unusual.. I drilled several holes along the center of a piece of Evergreen .020 x .040 and cut this into small lengths that became the mounting tabs for the bottom grab on the right. I used Testors to attach these. After these had cured overnight and I then reinforced this joint with small pieces of .020 x .020 styrene. After I was sure this was all cured I carved them to shape. I wrapped up detailing the ends by adding Bolt Heads on the face of the ribs using rivets harvested from an Athearn boxcar.

The Grab Irons on the left end of the sides are attached in an interesting way I think—on the car body the attachment bolt is above the grab while on the side of the end the bolt is horizontally aligned with the grab. Towards the end of construction and prior to priming I will apply Archer rivets to the edge of the ends. My plan here is to use Rivet Decals with a slightly different spacing to create a little contrast with the rivet detail on the wood siding that will be parallel.

Bill Welch


Re: Weathered M&StL Box Car 24t62

Joseph
 

Nice car Les.  I have about 5 more to build.   You could make them for me and they would get in to service more quickly....
Joe Binish


On Aug 15, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

After sitting for a week, I have weathered  previously built, painted and lettered Sunshine Models , Minneapolis & St. Louis 24562, 4C-XM-1 Pratt truss Box Car, flat resin kit 91.1.  I used photo Clark Propst provided me for this purpose.   I have updated my blog to allow comparison of before and after photos on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you are interested in viewing additional photos take a look at the following:
 
 
Lester Breuer
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Weathered M&StL Box Car 24t62

Lester Breuer
 

After sitting for a week, I have weathered  previously built, painted and lettered Sunshine Models , Minneapolis & St. Louis 24562, 4C-XM-1 Pratt truss Box Car, flat resin kit 91.1.  I used photo Clark Propst provided me for this purpose.   I have updated my blog to allow comparison of before and after photos on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you are interested in viewing additional photos take a look at the following:
 
 
Lester Breuer


Re: we were discussing cotton bales

Bruce Smith
 

​Yes

-Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:47 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] we were discussing cotton bales
 
Hi List Members,
 
Some time back, we were discussing cotton bales. Is this one? If so, it is a good picture of one...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


we were discussing cotton bales

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some time back, we were discussing cotton bales. Is this one? If so, it is a good picture of one...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Forty-foot Steel Gondolas

Bill Welch
 

Feel free to send it to me Morgan: fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

Bill Welch


Re: MKT box car

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

Hear, hear, ditto that! 

I realize that the supply chain in this hobby is geared towards low volume and one-off production runs, and that is particularly true for smaller resin kit enterprises where decals and casting capacity are often a limiting factor.

Makes me wonder however if their website could effective use a click counter to monitor interest in dormant kits to determine the demand to rerun kits after the first wave of orders peaked and the initial supply has expired.

Tom Casey


-----Original Message-----
From: roblmclear <rob.mclear@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2018 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MKT box car

Really nice build Bill, would love one or two of those cars, wish Speedwitch would bring them out again.

Rob McLear
Aussie


Re: Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I concede the point, Dennis.  Hadn’t seen this image.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carmer uncoupling levers for C&O hopper

 

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Bruce, looking at the HV car, note that the bracket is mounted on one of the vertical channels on the end of the car.  I think that the horizontal flat is bent upwards and secured into the flat of the channel. 

Look at this photo of the Hocking Valley car; the bend at the top of the bracket is evident. It attaches to the bottom flange of the channel sill.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/41743651741/in/album-72157649155982802/

Dennis Storzek


Re: MKT box car

roblmclear
 

Really nice build Bill, would love one or two of those cars, wish Speedwitch would bring them out again.

Rob McLear
Aussie


Re: Forty-foot Steel Gondolas

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

Bill: I took the liberty of reworking the pdf's into an excel file. I'd like to send it to you to see if it's OK. As I've done it, is for my personal use. But if I didn't miss anything and made any errors, I'd like to know. And/or have this available in the files. I prefer excel because of it's sorting ability. If you want only protos built before a certain date, it can be resorted that way, etc.
Morgan Bilbo, PRR fan


Re: vintage reefer cars

Bill Welch
 

I forgot to note that the ex-FRL/C&EI cars were in the FGE 31000 series and an in-service photo of #31595 appears in the Culotta/Kline book published by the NMRA, the title of which escapes me.

Bill Welch


Re: vintage reefer cars

Tony Thompson
 

I have a faint memory that FRL went away in the mid-1920s? It was outlasted by Gulf Coast Lines, IIRC.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 14, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Curiously both of these car types would eventually become part of the new Fruit Growers Express Fleet after 1920. The car with the Star is indeed a PRR RF reefer that was initially leased and then sold by the Pennsy to FGE. The FRL reefers eventually went to the C&EI, 931 cars IIRC and the C&EI used these cars to trade for stock and therefore ownership in the new FGE. Never seen a still photo of one of these in-service. Thank you Claus!!!!!!!!!

Bill Welch


Re: vintage reefer cars

Bill Welch
 

Curiously both of these car types would eventually become part of the new Fruit Growers Express Fleet after 1920. The car with the Star is indeed a PRR RF reefer that was initially leased and then sold by the Pennsy to FGE. The FRL reefers eventually went to the C&EI, 931 cars IIRC and the C&EI used these cars to trade for stock and therefore ownership in the new FGE. Never seen a still photo of one of these in-service. Thank you Claus!!!!!!!!!

Bill Welch


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

william darnaby
 

Well, these cars were rated for 70 tons and the containers were 7 ton each plus tare weight so it would be 9.  I found an ad in the 1946 CBCyc for the containers that showed how the containers were placed in the car.  But it has been long enough that I don't remember the modeling details and, being at the lake house, I can't lay my hands on the car or the cyc until I go back north.

Bill Darnaby
Lake Shafer Indiana



From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

Thank you, Bill!  Did you do a full load, or one of the 9 container versions?

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of william darnaby
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons

I did one several years ago for Martin Lofton when the 46' gon kit first came out.  The Walthers containers work very nicely.


Bill Darnaby


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From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: "realstmfc@groups.io" <realstmfc@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:08 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP container gons


Gang;


Have any of you done a NKP container gon, specifically the ones with containers for powdered dolomite?  I think Sunshine did a kit of the car; what did you use for containers?


Thanks!


Elden Gatwood













Re: 1948 PS-1 for P&WV

Ed Hawkins
 


On Aug 14, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Do you know if Kadee is planning on doing the PS-1 they did for P&WV?  It appears the P&WV cars differ from the ATSF cars in that they have the "wide panel at the tack boards" Superior doors, but in most ways are the same.

And do you know if they came as-built in the "no logo" scheme with red sides & roof and black ends?  The as-built photo looks like it, but I never know until someone who knows better tells me.

Elden,
Based on future releases currently on the Kadee web site, they will offer at least 3 new doors representing prototype cars built in 1947-1948. 

1. Superior 7-panel doors for 6’ door openings like shown on the ATSF cars (November release) with the door placard mounted to the 2nd stiffener from the top. 

2. Superior 7-panel doors for 7’ door openings like shown on the NH cars (January 2019 release) with the door placard mounted to the 2nd stiffener from the top. 

3. Superior 7-panel doors for 6’ door openings like shown on the Southern cars (February 2019 release) with the door placard flush-mounted to the 2nd panel from the top.

I’m not privy to Kadee’s production plans beyond those shown on the web site, but it would make sense that models of prototype cars using these doors and other prototype features matching the new bodies & detail parts will be produced. This should include P&WV 1300-1399, P-S lot 5919A, built 11-48 having doors as described in 3 above in the as-built scheme with circular P&WV monogram located to the right of the door on the 2nd side panel from the end. 

If you or anyone else have paint specs for the P&WV PS-1 box cars, I’m quite sure that Sam Clarke at Kadee would like to see them. Photos I’ve seen indicate freight car red/brown sides and black ends. Roof color is difficult to discern from some black & white photos, however, an in-service photo of 1392 is clear evidence of a black roof. 

Models of the P&WV late 1950s, all-black repaints with “symbol of Service” slogans should also be offered. Hope this helps to answer your question. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: Accurail 41' Gondola List

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Oh that table, This is my handout for my Forty-foot Gondola Presentation years ago. The PDF is not properly titled, it should be "Forty-foot Steel Gondolas."

To clarify the Ten Post smooth bottom gons are the AAR gon good for the Accurail kit.

Bill Welch


Re: MKT box car

Bill Welch
 

Reread my message Gary please, painting info is right there.

Bill Welch


Re: MKT box car

Bill Welch
 

Kidney Puncher is the company and source—it is .019 steel.

Bill Welch


Re: Accurail 41' Gondola List

gary laakso
 

Thank you very much for posting and to all the craftsmen that created it.

Gary Laakso


On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:09 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Thanks for sharing Garth
Fenton

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:
Friends,

Attached is the list Bill Welch and Martin Loftin prepared, posted with Bill's O.K.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿




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