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Re: Reefers: Heaters
gnryfan
Nelson:
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Jack Mullen
Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 !
Thanks, Eldon. The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between C&NW freighthouses. Jack Mullen
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Dennis!
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 3:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:08 PM, John Barry wrote: They were trap cars in LCL service if memory serves. IIRC they were cars that were restricted to shuttling between freight houses in the Chicago terminal. I imagine the big X was pretty effective at keeping them from escaping. Dennis Storzek
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:08 PM, John Barry wrote:
They were trap cars in LCL service if memory serves.IIRC they were cars that were restricted to shuttling between freight houses in the Chicago terminal. I imagine the big X was pretty effective at keeping them from escaping. Dennis Storzek
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Re: fabulous freight cars
John Barry
Explosives. NOT!
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They were trap cars in LCL service if memory serves. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/29/18, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:
Subject: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars To: "RealSTMFC@groups.io" <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 11:53 AM http://images.google.com/hosted/life/0117dc643514cf78.html ...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again? Elden Gatwood
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fabulous freight cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/0117dc643514cf78.html
...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again? Elden Gatwood
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Re: Icing in general
Tony Thompson
Time intervals could be specified under the tariff. I don't know the relative proportion of the various options in actual use. Tony Thompson
On Aug 29, 2018, at 10:14 AM, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:
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Re: Icing in general
Aley, Jeff A
To add a little bit of detail to Tony’s comment (that the Shipper got to choose), a UP Freight Conductor’s book noted the following different icing instructions for cars in the train (Roseville Fruit, departing Rawlins, WY on 10/13/1938):
Standard Ventilation = no ice, hatches open/closed based upon ambient temperatures.
Vents Closed to Destination = no ice, hatches closed.
Do Not Re-ice = iced initially, but no ice added enroute.
Re-Ice at _____ = re-iced only at specific location(s).
Standard Refrigeration = re-iced at all regular icing stations.
Std. Refrig with 12% salt = re-iced with 12% salt at all regular icing stations
One car was noted as having Std. Ventilation to Laramie, then Std. Refrigeration.
I notice that quantity of ice is not specified, which is consistent with Tony’s comment that they filled the bunkers. I also notice that durations (time) are not specified; only locations (regular icing stations or specific icing stations). Perhaps the duration info was translated into location for the benefit of the conductor.
The above data is from a presentation given by Mark Amfahr at the UPHS convention in 2013.
Regards,
-Jeff
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:00 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Icing in general
This was decided by the shipper. Normally 24 hours would be selected, but in cool weather a shipper could choose a longer interval (or could specify the icing stations used). In hot weather, they could specify shorter times. They could even choose to let the railroad make sure ice was "sufficient," but railroads hated that because they were then easily the victims of damage claims. I'm sure local agents worked hard to talk shippers out of that option.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
Nelson Moyer
I was just reporting what I read. You didn't mention which railroad(s). Maybe some converted sooner? Weren't ice reefers about phased out by the early 1970. I think I read that the last icing platform was owned by PFE, and it was closed in either 1974 or 1976. Many roads switched to mechanical reefers earlier than that. I guess all the heater discussion is purely academic, since we don't model heaters or heater service.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:40 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Reefers: Heaters Nelson, I was refueling charcoal heaters into 1970. Lenny Ohrnell
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Preco Mechanical Icing Machine
This week I discovered that Preco made mechanical icing machines, as evidenced by the label on the machine in the photo: The Link Belt Company also made mechanical icing machines and related systems. Unfortunately, when I contacted Link Belt, nobody knew that they had once been in that business and no material was available. Does anyone know if there were other major players in the mechanical icing machine business? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Icing Reefers In Maine
Totally agree but the shippers and USDA were still testing methods in that era. I think (but have no documentation) that the shippers were going on the cheap for the first 24 hours of the trip, hoping the blocks would work just well enough while allowing them to avoid carrier icing charges.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Icing Reefers In Maine
"...The method is to fill the bunkers with block ice corded or laid in such manner as to form practically a solid mass. In this way it is possible to place 15,000 to 16,000 pounds of block ice in bunkers of refrigerator cars which have a rated capacity of 11,000 pounds of chunk ice." (USDA)
I didn't know this. Looks like that's what they were doing in the photo. Thanks. Robert Simpson
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
There are Jack Delano photos showing the older, larger charcoal heaters being lowered into cars in 1943. The newer alcohol heaters were smaller and required less work to load. Below are some photos from my collection.
Bob Chaparro Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup
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Re: Shrouded tank cars: floors?
Richard Townsend
Thanks so much, Steve. Maybe more than I asked for but just what I wanted to know. I appreciate it.
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Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2018 5:58 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shrouded tank cars: floors? The Monsanto car in St. Louis does not have a floor under its
hood. A photo is attached.
It is my belief that such cars, in general, did not have
floors. The hood (shroud, etc?) often covered heating coils that were
external to the tank due to potential issues relating to the interaction between
the tank contents and any escaping steam/water. UTLX pioneered such a car
circa 1914 for carrying paraffin wax. Later uses included transformer
oil.
The Monsanto car does not have heater coils, however. So
that it could also be related to trapping noxious gases.
More than you asked for, but less that
definitive.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:04 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Shrouded tank cars: floors? And no, these are not removable containers
like on the butterdish milk cars.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Bending curved grab irons - Kadee pliers
Jim King
I use Kadee’s coupler trip pin pliers to create various round shapes in HO, S and O. While the various steps don’t equate to an exact radius, it gets me close so that minor adjustment finishes the part.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
Walter
Nelson,
I was refueling charcoal heaters into 1970. Lenny Ohrnell
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Re: Bending custom grab irons
Joseph
John,
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Found the last one in the bottom of the caboose stuff drawer On the waaaay as artillery guys say Enjoy, Joe Binish
On Aug 29, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:
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Re: Bending custom grab irons
Peter Ness
Jake,
I have a good supply of curved grabs these days, but in the past I have used a dowel (1/2” or less) or coin (quarter) and wrapped a length of wire. Once the wire is curved, even if the radius is not correct as needed, it can be formed to the correct radius. Bend the legs 90° to the curve an done. To be sure you get 90° legs, place the curved section on the corner of a flat box top with the legs sticking out over the edges on either side of the corner. Tape the curved part down if you need to. Bend the legs down on the box sides. Done.
Peter Ness
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of J S
Anyone have tips for bending custom CURVED grab rails akin to that on the side ends of a caboose? My first attempts have been less than ideal. So much so, I've been thinking photo etched brass might rather be the solution to get it repeatably correct.
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Re: Bending custom grab irons
Joseph
Found one of the jigs and instructions, yours if you want it
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Joe Binish
On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: glasses for better color perception?
mopacfirst
I took the test. Nope, I'm in the 20% that they can't help.
RG7
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