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Re: "X" on car doors
Alex Huff
It is my understanding that the X on boxcar doors on at least the CNW meant the cars were in restricted service. Called "trap cars" on the CNW, one of the assignments was transporting display goods to and from Chicago's Merchandise Mart, built directly over a CNW yard and outlying team tracks and/or satellite yards in the Chicago area.
Built by Marshall Field & Co to consolidate the wholesale merchandisers in one location, it was the largest building in the world with 4,000,000 sq.ft. of floor space when opened in 1930. Alex Huff
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Ray Breyer
>>I agree with Ben's identification as the fuzzy initials kind of look like "W &---" for W&LE. >>Bob Witt Hell....you're right Bob and Ben. It is a Wheeling car. Somehow I got redirected to these Life photos, which shows PM and ATSF cars being scrapped at Hyman-Michaels. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL _._,_._,_
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Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine
mopacfirst
I've been googling Preco, trying to see if it still exists and what it became. So far, nothing obvious. One in Latvia, one in aerospace composites that was founded too late, one in tooling and gaskets that was founded too late.
Ron Merrick
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Matt Smith
Similar to the former WLE cars that ended up on the NKP. Here is one in NKP MOW paint.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LkKs4G77yVrZonjynNKU1N-DTSFPWnAq -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Tony and all, for the insights! VERY cool cars.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of anthony wagner Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars Eldon, C&NW called them trap cars and they were used to transfer LCL shipments from the downtown Chicago freight houses to the huge Proviso freight house where they could be consolidated with other shipments going to the same destinations. Sears, Montgomery Ward and Spiegel plus others had catalog sales warehouses in Chicago and the shipment of myriad small orders must have been a huge logistical problem thus the need for consolidation whenever practical. The cars themselves were in their final service before retirement and I'd guess that they were probably unfit for interchange. They X simply meant they were "trapped" in this service. There were still 4 cars listed as Box, Trap in the 1-1-50 ORER but there had probably been many more in earlier years. Tony Wagner On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:53 PM, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: Blockedhttp://images.google.com/hosted/life/0117dc643514cf78.html ...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again? Elden Gatwood
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:22 PM, Walter wrote:
I suspect you are referring to charcoal heaters in regard to the 30 minute wait period.Charcoal heaters would slowly fill the car with carbon monoxide, and cars so equipped were required to be placarded with warning placards. I'm not seeing thirty minutes... the placards I'm finding photos of say either "three minutes", or "a few minutes." Carbon monoxide is odorless, and the second man was needed in case the man who went in the car was overcome. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
The two types on Shapeways appear to be Preco heater and a Baxter heater.
Below is an image of a Baxter heater. Two Preco heaters are shown in my earlier post. Bob Chaparro Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
Walter
Joe,
They did not burn kerosene, it was a 50/50 mix of methanol and isopropyl alcohol. I suspect you are referring to charcoal heaters in regard to the 30 minute wait period. Frankly, if I would have had to wait 30 minutes to refuel charcoal heaters I would have been working OT. There was a rule two people had to be present when refueling charcoal heaters. Lenny Ohrnell
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Re: fabulous freight cars
rwitt_2000
I agree with Ben's identification as the fuzzy initials kind of look like "W &---" for W&LE.
Bob Witt
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
Richard Wilkens
These PRECO heaters burned methanol (alcohol).
Rich Wilkens
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Ray Breyer
In reviewing the other photos of this sequence, I think this was actually from a PM auto boxcar, the only other significant group of cars to use this type of end. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 5:09:58 PM CDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Johannes Markwart asked: "Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?: http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large Vulcan corrugated metal ends, likely a car from W&LE 27000-27999. More information at Eric Hansmann's blog: Ben Hom
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Re: fabulous freight cars
anthony wagner
Eldon, C&NW called them trap cars and they were used to transfer LCL shipments from the downtown Chicago freight houses to the huge Proviso freight house where they could be consolidated with other shipments going to the same destinations. Sears, Montgomery Ward and Spiegel plus others had catalog sales warehouses in Chicago and the shipment of myriad small orders must have been a huge logistical problem thus the need for consolidation whenever practical. The cars themselves were in their final service before retirement and I'd guess that they were probably unfit for interchange. They X simply meant they were "trapped" in this service. There were still 4 cars listed as Box, Trap in the 1-1-50 ORER but there had probably been many more in earlier years. Tony Wagner
On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:53 PM, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: ...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again? Elden Gatwood
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Reefers: Heaters
Paul Catapano
I and a friend, on his layout, model heater service using waybills (we call these "Action Bills") as well as ventilator service, but I do not specifically model the heaters themselves. Paul Catapano
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Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bob,
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Are you familiar with these machines? Tony's book says Roseville had Preco machines. Taken by my late father, Glenn Groff, slide dated 4/66. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🏴
On 8/29/18 1:10 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Benjamin Hom
Johannes Markwart asked: "Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?: http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large Vulcan corrugated metal ends, likely a car from W&LE 27000-27999. More information at Eric Hansmann's blog: Ben Hom
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Aley, Jeff A
Yes. UP used a similar-appearing end on their class A-50-5 automobile box cars. On the A-50-5, these were end doors.
Regards,
-Jeff
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:19 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars
Really interesting photos! Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:
Greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 !
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"X" on car doors
Paul Catapano
The large white "X" denoted highly explosive ammunition was loaded or to be loaded in these cars, this also made it much easier for saboteurs and 5th columnists to hit the bulls eye with a rifle or gun at extreme ranges. These shots weren't easy to make, when you consider that the trains were moving, so the railroads agreed to add the "X" to make it easier for the enemy. I sincerely hope this helps. Paul Catapano
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Re: fabulous freight cars
Charles Happel
These cars were in captive service between several shippers and terminals in Chicago and the huge LCL freight house in Proviso yard
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Chuck Happel C&NW fan. Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. George Carlin --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/29/18, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 4:18 PM Really interesting photos! Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?: http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large Greetings Johannes Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr Von: "Jack Mullen" <jack.f.mullen@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 ! Thanks, Eldon. The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between C&NW freighthouses. Jack Mullen
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Re: fabulous freight cars
vapeurchapelon
Really interesting photos!
Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large
Greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr
Von: "Jack Mullen" <jack.f.mullen@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 !
Thanks, Eldon. The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between C&NW freighthouses. Jack Mullen
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Re: Reefers: Heaters
gnryfan
Nelson:
I DO model heaters and heater service on my layout, thanks to some 3D printed (HO) Kerosene Preco heaters available through Shapeways. https://www.shapeways.com/product/ZJ3PRG64F/kerosene-heaters-for-reefers-ho-scale-x50?optionId=42258423. They also have the charcoal heaters, too. https://www.shapeways.com/product/37P7EDL64/charcoal-heaters-for-reefers-ho-scale-x30?optionId=40283583. The Preco's especially, are cheap detail parts for your icing platforms! When you're modelling icing, you need to ice the car, re-ice it, etc. various ways. Heating is more complex. You need to install and remove the heaters, re-fuel the heater, AND, you cannot enter a heated car until 30 minutes after the heater has been shut off and the doors opened, to dissipate carbon monoxide...so it adds a little twist to unloading oeprations. I handle all of these with extra tags that go in the waybill slot on my car cards. It adds another dimension to the movement of fruit and perishables. Joe Berger Great Northern Railway (HO) Cascade Division
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