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Re: "X" on car doors

Alex Huff
 

It is my understanding that the X on boxcar doors on at least the CNW meant the cars were in restricted service.  Called "trap cars" on the CNW, one of the assignments was transporting display goods to and from Chicago's Merchandise Mart, built directly over a CNW yard and outlying team tracks and/or satellite yards in the Chicago area.

Built by Marshall Field & Co to consolidate the wholesale merchandisers in one location,  it was the largest building in the world with 4,000,000 sq.ft. of floor space when opened in 1930.

Alex Huff      


Re: fabulous freight cars

Ray Breyer
 

>>I agree with Ben's identification as the fuzzy initials kind of look like "W &---" for W&LE.
>>Bob Witt


Hell....you're right Bob and Ben. It is a Wheeling car. Somehow I got redirected to these Life photos, which shows PM and ATSF cars being scrapped at Hyman-Michaels.


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
 
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Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine

mopacfirst
 

I've been googling Preco, trying to see if it still exists and what it became.  So far, nothing obvious.  One in Latvia, one in aerospace composites that was founded too late, one in tooling and gaskets that was founded too late.

Ron Merrick


Re: fabulous freight cars

Matt Smith
 

Similar to the former WLE cars that ended up on the NKP. Here is one in NKP MOW paint.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LkKs4G77yVrZonjynNKU1N-DTSFPWnAq

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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tony and all, for the insights! VERY cool cars.

Elden Gatwood

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Eldon, C&NW called them trap cars and they were used to transfer LCL shipments from the downtown Chicago freight houses to the huge Proviso freight house where they could be consolidated with other shipments going to the same destinations. Sears, Montgomery Ward and Spiegel plus others had catalog sales warehouses in Chicago and the shipment of myriad small orders must have been a huge logistical problem thus the need for consolidation whenever practical. The cars themselves were in their final service before retirement and I'd guess that they were probably unfit for interchange. They X simply meant they were "trapped" in this service. There were still 4 cars listed as Box, Trap in the 1-1-50 ORER but there had probably been many more in earlier years. Tony Wagner


On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:53 PM, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:



Blockedhttp://images.google.com/hosted/life/0117dc643514cf78.html


...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again?


Elden Gatwood


Re: Reefers: Heaters

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:22 PM, Walter wrote:
I suspect you are referring to charcoal heaters in regard to the 30 minute wait period.
Charcoal heaters would slowly fill the car with carbon monoxide, and cars so equipped were required to be placarded with warning placards. I'm not seeing thirty minutes... the placards I'm finding photos of say either "three minutes", or "a few minutes." Carbon monoxide is odorless, and the second man was needed in case the man who went in the car was overcome.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Reefers: Heaters

Bob Chaparro
 

The two types on Shapeways appear to be Preco heater and a Baxter heater.
Below is an image of a Baxter heater. Two Preco heaters are shown in my earlier post.
Bob Chaparro
Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group
https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup


Re: Reefers: Heaters

Walter
 

Joe,

They did not burn kerosene, it was a 50/50 mix of methanol and isopropyl alcohol. I suspect you are referring to charcoal heaters in regard to the 30 minute wait period. Frankly, if I would have had to wait 30 minutes to refuel charcoal heaters I would have been working OT. There was a rule two people had to be present when refueling charcoal heaters.

Lenny Ohrnell


Re: fabulous freight cars

rwitt_2000
 

I agree with Ben's identification as the fuzzy initials kind of look like "W &---" for W&LE.

Bob Witt


Re: Reefers: Heaters

Richard Wilkens
 

These PRECO heaters burned methanol (alcohol).

Rich Wilkens


Re: fabulous freight cars

Ray Breyer
 

In reviewing the other photos of this sequence, I think this was actually from a PM auto boxcar, the only other significant group of cars to use this type of end.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 5:09:58 PM CDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Johannes Markwart asked:
"Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large  
 
Vulcan corrugated metal ends, likely a car from W&LE 27000-27999.  More information at Eric Hansmann's blog:


Ben Hom


Re: fabulous freight cars

anthony wagner
 

Eldon, C&NW called them trap cars and they were used to transfer LCL shipments from the downtown Chicago freight houses to the huge Proviso freight house where they could be consolidated with other shipments going to the same destinations. Sears, Montgomery Ward and Spiegel plus others had catalog sales warehouses in Chicago and the shipment of myriad small orders must have been a huge logistical problem thus the need for consolidation whenever practical. The cars themselves were in their final service before retirement and I'd guess that they were probably unfit for interchange. They X simply meant they were "trapped" in this service. There were still 4 cars listed as Box, Trap in the 1-1-50 ORER but there had probably been many more in earlier years.  Tony Wagner


On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:53 PM, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:



...and I know I have been told, but what did the big "X" mean, again?

Elden Gatwood






Reefers: Heaters

Paul Catapano
 

I and a friend, on his layout, model heater service using waybills (we call these "Action Bills") as well as ventilator service, but I do not specifically model the heaters themselves.
 
Paul Catapano



Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

Are you familiar with these machines? Tony's book says Roseville had Preco machines. Taken by my late father, Glenn Groff, slide dated 4/66.



Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/29/18 1:10 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

This week I discovered that Preco made mechanical icing machines, as evidenced by the label on the machine in the photo:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IZsk7Dl1CQ8/V7ksZ2CB1WI/AAAAAAAANKo/aAxekuPw7Jw0MNp4a4DQ9OEf3kmVKFA6gCLcB/s1600/2001.1.20024.jpg

The Link Belt Company also made mechanical icing machines and related systems.  Unfortunately, when I contacted Link Belt, nobody knew that they had once been in that business and no material was available.

Does anyone know if there were other major players in the mechanical icing machine business?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: fabulous freight cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Johannes Markwart asked:
"Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large  
 
Vulcan corrugated metal ends, likely a car from W&LE 27000-27999.  More information at Eric Hansmann's blog:


Ben Hom


Re: fabulous freight cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Yes.  UP used a similar-appearing end on their class A-50-5 automobile box cars.  On the A-50-5, these were end doors.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars

 

Really interesting photos!

Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:

 

 

Greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr
Von: "Jack Mullen" <jack.f.mullen@...>
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Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 !
Thanks, Eldon.

The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between C&NW freighthouses.

Jack Mullen


"X" on car doors

Paul Catapano
 

The large white "X" denoted highly explosive ammunition was loaded or to be loaded in these cars, this also made it much easier for saboteurs and 5th columnists to hit the bulls eye with a rifle or gun at extreme ranges. These shots weren't easy to make, when you consider that the trains were moving, so the railroads agreed to add the "X" to make it easier for the enemy.
I sincerely hope this helps.
 
Paul Catapano



Re: fabulous freight cars

Charles Happel
 

These cars were in captive service between several shippers and terminals in Chicago and the huge LCL freight house in Proviso yard

Chuck Happel
C&NW fan.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin

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On Wed, 8/29/18, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 4:18 PM


Really interesting photos!

Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the
track gang before?:

 

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large

 

Greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Mittwoch,
29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr

Von: "Jack Mullen"
<jack.f.mullen@gmail.com>

An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars

Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2
!

Thanks, Eldon.



The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between
C&NW freighthouses.



Jack Mullen


Re: fabulous freight cars

vapeurchapelon
 

Really interesting photos!
Anyone seen a box car end as on the car just behind the track gang before?:
 
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/271ef23120a8a912_large
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 um 21:43 Uhr
Von: "Jack Mullen" <jack.f.mullen@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars
Cool, another photographer at Proviso Yard during WW2 !
Thanks, Eldon.

The big X marks trap cars in dedicated service between C&NW freighthouses.

Jack Mullen


Re: Reefers: Heaters

gnryfan
 

Nelson:
   I DO model heaters and heater service on my layout, thanks to some 3D printed (HO) Kerosene Preco heaters available through Shapeways. https://www.shapeways.com/product/ZJ3PRG64F/kerosene-heaters-for-reefers-ho-scale-x50?optionId=42258423.  They also have the charcoal heaters, too. https://www.shapeways.com/product/37P7EDL64/charcoal-heaters-for-reefers-ho-scale-x30?optionId=40283583.  The Preco's especially, are cheap detail parts for your icing platforms!
When you're modelling icing, you need to ice the car, re-ice it, etc. various ways. Heating is more complex. You need to install and remove the heaters, re-fuel the heater, AND, you cannot enter a heated car until 30 minutes after the heater has been shut off and the doors opened, to dissipate carbon monoxide...so it adds a little twist to unloading oeprations.  I handle all of these with extra tags that go in the waybill slot on my car cards.  It adds another dimension to the movement of fruit and perishables.

Joe Berger
Great Northern Railway (HO)
Cascade Division

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