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Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

Bill Welch
 

I have been thinking about how to model one of those WLE Single Sheathed cars with the vertical corrugated ends. Since I model October 1955 it is not a model I will build but I have friends that can use one or more of these. With those rare ends, the 7-foot doors in era of Six and Five-foot doors, and the asymmetrical side panel construction they would make an eye catching model for discerning modelers.

It looks to me like a couple of Accurail offerings could furnish parts for a good start assuming their 4300/4500 eight panel cars and 7000/7200 six-panel cars are the same height. Start by cutting the very fine Hutchins roof from both body styles and save. The left side of the 4300/4500 style body would furnish the four panels needed for the left side of the door while the right side would use the three-panel right side from a 7000/7200 body type. The seven foot wood door can be made easily from Evergreen styrene. About six inches could be cut from the end panel of each side part to permit the seven foot door. The four panel left side has a diagonal brace that will need to be carefully removed and the sheathing re-scribed..

The ends are a challenge but there are resin ends around that replicate the inverted ribs. These might furnish the raw material by turning the parts vertically to make an accurate end. Cutting and fitting back together parts would be necessary I think. One of the harvested Accurail Hutchins roof would be recycled for this kit-bash.

Bill Welch

Re: Sad news

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Tom, we all extend our deepest sympathies and share in your grief. I had the pleasure of meeting Gail at Cocoa Beach several years ago and she was a charming lady and supportive wife. I know you will miss her very much.

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:28 PM
To: PassengerCarList@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sad news

 

I am sorry to advise that Tom Madden's wife of 57 years, Gail, passed away yesterday.  Our deepest sympathy to Tom and his family.

 

Steve Hile

Re: [Proto-Layouts] My railroad materials

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jared,

 

               The KSHS has, I believe, all of the AT&SF corporate archives.  This is not suprising given that both the AT&SF and the KSHS are in Topeka.  From that perspective, if your materials were donated to them, they would be accessible to folks doing other research on the AT&SF.

 

               As far as CSRM is concerned, I encourage you to contact Denny Anspach, who has significant insight into how these things work and the issues involved.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io [mailto:Proto-Layouts@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:21 AM
To: REALSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] My railroad materials

 

My wife and I are getting ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials.  I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts, etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the materials to some place they will be curated and will be easily accessable to researchers.

 

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

Re: My railroad materials

John Barry
 

Jared,

I third Steve's recommendation of Temple. Craig is very responsive and your collection fits their mission of preserving the Santa Fe. I have already sent them several items that fall outside my era.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Fri, 8/31/18, Gary McMills <santafe@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My railroad materials
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Date: Friday, August 31, 2018, 1:18 PM


I would second Steve's suggestion of Temple. It is a
major Santa Fe place.
Gary McMills


 
On 2018-08-31 13:10, James SANDIFER wrote:


Temple is the place. "I want
them curated and easily accessible." That describes
Temple perfectly. I can't tell you all the times Craig
Ordner (curator) has found things for me, scanned them, and
sent them promptly. I have not found such anywhere else.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018
12:21 PM
To:
REALSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] My
railroad materials
 

My wife and I are getting
ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been
thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials. 
I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts,
etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I
donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library
at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are
the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe
Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any
other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the
materials to some place they will be curated and will be
easily accessable to researchers.

 


Jared Harper


Athens, GA

Re: My railroad materials

Gary McMills
 

I would second Steve's suggestion of Temple. It is a major Santa Fe place.

Gary McMills


 

On 2018-08-31 13:10, James SANDIFER wrote:

Temple is the place. "I want them curated and easily accessible." That describes Temple perfectly. I can't tell you all the times Craig Ordner (curator) has found things for me, scanned them, and sent them promptly. I have not found such anywhere else.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:21 PM
To: REALSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] My railroad materials

 

My wife and I are getting ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials.  I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts, etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the materials to some place they will be curated and will be easily accessable to researchers.

 

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

 

Re: fabulous freight cars

vapeurchapelon
 

Eric and all,
 
many thanks for the pics and data of these interesting cars.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. August 2018 um 21:23 Uhr
Von: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] fabulous freight cars

The Wheeling cars added 1000 of these cars in 1921 from Western Steel Car & Foundry. In addition to the vertical corrugated steel ends, they had 7-foot doors that were offset and straight centersills. I don't know if any were painted and lettered for NKP revenue service after the 1947 merger. Here's a great shot from the early 1930s that offers weathering ideas for single sheathed boxcars. The image is from the W&LE archives in the special collection room of the Michael Schwartz Library at Cleveland State University. I scanned the original several years ago and made a few adjustments in Photoshop.

 

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On August 30, 2018 at 7:16 AM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Similar to the former WLE cars that ended up on the NKP. Here is one in NKP MOW paint.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LkKs4G77yVrZonjynNKU1N-DTSFPWnAq

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

 

 

Re: My railroad materials

Dave Parker
 

Jared:

I recently spent two days in the archives of the California State RR Museum, and learned quite a bit about their operation and capabilities.  My take is that they are both staff- and space-limited and, by necessity, are rather selective about what they will accept.  Their collection tends to emphasize western railroads, although they will accept other materials if they feel there is sufficiently broad.  You can always inquire, but my guess is that they will say your materials are are too regional in nature.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: My railroad materials

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jared,

This has also been on my mind, particularly after my current health crisis. Consider making a detailed inventory of what you want to donate to each source and keep it with your other important papers. It also wouldn't hurt to put some sort of labels on the pieces so your heirs can tell what goes where.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 8/31/18 1:21 PM, Jared Harper wrote:
My wife and I are getting ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials.  I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts, etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the materials to some place they will be curated and will be easily accessable to researchers.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: My railroad materials

James SANDIFER
 

Temple is the place. “I want them curated and easily accessible.” That describes Temple perfectly. I can’t tell you all the times Craig Ordner (curator) has found things for me, scanned them, and sent them promptly. I have not found such anywhere else.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jared Harper
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:21 PM
To: REALSTMFC@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] My railroad materials

 

My wife and I are getting ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials.  I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts, etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the materials to some place they will be curated and will be easily accessable to researchers.

 

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

Re: Kit annoucement from YMW

Pierre Oliver
 

1-52

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 8/31/18 1:44 PM, Joseph wrote:
Hi Pierre,
When were these new?
Thx,
Joe Binish
On Aug 31, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/08/25th-anniversary-chicago-rpm-kit.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Re: Kit annoucement from YMW

Joseph
 

Hi Pierre,
When were these new?
Thx,
Joe Binish

On Aug 31, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/08/25th-anniversary-chicago-rpm-kit.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Sad news

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am sorry to advise that Tom Madden's wife of 57 years, Gail, passed away yesterday.  Our deepest sympathy to Tom and his family.
 
Steve Hile

My railroad materials

Jared Harper
 

My wife and I are getting ready to update our wills.  One of the things I have been thinking about is what to do with my railroad materials.  I  have photos, station plats, surveys, clearance charts, etc. mostly dealing with the Alma branch.  Back in 1983, I donated all my Raton Pass materials to the De Golyer Library at SMU in Dallas.  Some other places I am considering are the Kansas State Historical Society in Topeka, the Santa Fe Archives in Temple, TX; and the California RR Museum.  Any other suggestions I should consider?  I want to donate the materials to some place they will be curated and will be easily accessable to researchers.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine (The PRECO Company)

Charlie Vlk
 

Besides the plywood prototype Pendulum car, they made three Pendulum coaches that were sold to the ATSF, GN, and CB&Q. They also built many freight cars....
Charlie Vlk

Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine (The PRECO Company)

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Getting into PCL territory, but PRECO also built 3 other prototype Pendulum coaches, one each for ATSF, CB&Q, and GN. These ran in general service.

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:59 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Preco Mechanical Icing Machine (The PRECO Company)

 

PRECO also manufactured a prototype articulated "pendulum-suspension" coach which employed a passive tilt system on curves in order to eliminate jounce. The articulated test car (constructed largely of plywood) consists of two separate car bodies joined by a shared center truck.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Preco Mechanical Icing Machine (The PRECO Company)

Bob Chaparro
 

PRECO was the shorthand name for the Pacific Railway Equipment Company of Los Angeles. They made box car load dividers, refrigerator car portable heaters and wheel driven mechanical and alternator powered refrigerator car fans. See their ads in Simmons-Boardman Car Builders Cyclopedia 1957 and 1966.

Jerry Britton's Keystone Crossing website sheds a little more light on these mechanical fans and states "A modeling/spotting feature on ice reefers is a "sill-mounted Preco fan".  

PRECO began marketing them and PFE began their use in 1941. FGEX followed three years later. By 1945, 7000 reefers had them and by 1950 one-third of the reefer fleet had them. Mechanical drive was superseded by electrical drive in the early 1950s, allowing the fans to be mounted near the ceiling.

PRECO also manufactured a prototype articulated "pendulum-suspension" coach which employed a passive tilt system on curves in order to eliminate jounce. The articulated test car (constructed largely of plywood) consists of two separate car bodies joined by a shared center truck.

The icing machine was new to me.

The company's large factory in Los Angeles was demolished (date unknown) and the site is now a warehouse. I believe they are no longer in business.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Kit annoucement from YMW

Pierre Oliver
 

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/08/25th-anniversary-chicago-rpm-kit.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Re: "X" on car doors

Tim Meyer
 

I have a CNW blueprint on the boxcar door with the X from April 1930. Car numbers 15800 to 15998 even. "FOR MERCHANDISE LOADING PROVISO AND CHICAGO ONLY" in 2" lettering to the right of the door. The X has a 9" stroke.

Tim Meyer

Re: "X" on car doors

ken chapin
 

XXX on the Chessie system the car was to be on home rail only,not fit for interchange to other railroads. Ken
--
Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On 8/30/18, 11:35 AM Alex Huff <dsrc512@...> wrote:
It is my understanding that the X on boxcar doors on at least the CNW meant the cars were in restricted service.  Called "trap cars" on the CNW, one of the assignments was transporting display goods to and from Chicago's Merchandise Mart, built directly over a CNW yard and outlying team tracks and/or satellite yards in the Chicago area.

Built by Marshall Field & Co to consolidate the wholesale merchandisers in one location,  it was the largest building in the world with 4,000,000 sq.ft. of floor space when opened in 1930.

Alex Huff      

Re: Reefers: Heaters

Walter
 

Bill Welch,

Funny you mentioned removing ice before installing heaters. A empty reefer was set for loading. The car was then loaded with 40,000 pounds of spuds. When I went to install the heaters, I threw the hatches back and looked down into the bunker and thought oh my (lol). I retrieved my lantern and sure enough the bunker was full of ice.
I wasn’t about to ask the traffic manger to have the reefer unloaded. My laborer and I grabbed our ice tongs and breaker bar. We unloaded both bunkers and then installed the heaters.

Lenny